The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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They are and worse. Thats why i cant believe we're risking open war for benevolent reasons whilst ignoring the mostly open war on our doorsteps
The Eurasian war as its currently being waged is absolutely Un-winnable for the "West"
I don't think there's any reason to expect Russian forces to attempt a WW2 style takeover of European cities
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Ruh roh. Not looking good for the home team.
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A Ukrainian Brigade Collapsed—And Now Hundreds Of Soldiers Are Surrounded Near Prohres
Two battalions face a hard choice: fight their way out or hope for rescue
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Ukraine war map shows two battalions at risk of encirclement: "Alarming"
Russia has been inching west in Donetsk, the eastern front lines seeing the heaviest clashes between Russian and Ukrainian troops.
www.newsweek.com
Ruh roh. Not looking good for the home team.
A Ukrainian Brigade Collapsed—And Now Hundreds Of Soldiers Are Surrounded Near Prohres
Two battalions face a hard choice: fight their way out or hope for rescue
Ukraine war map shows two battalions at risk of encirclement: "Alarming"
Russia has been inching west in Donetsk, the eastern front lines seeing the heaviest clashes between Russian and Ukrainian troops.
Unless you are the insider contractors who will inevitably get the fat contracts to rebuild or the politicians who will get the kick backs. Looking great for them.
The ever-changing winds of war in UKR.
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Russia suffers massive losses in thwarted mega-assault
Moscow's forces faced off against Ukraine's 79th Tavrian brigade in Novomykhailivka, Donetsk region, at a high cost.
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Synchronizing Drones, Artillery, Missiles And Mines, Ukrainian Paratroopers Just Defeated A Huge Russian Assault
Ukrainian defenses held east of Kurakhivka because the 79th Air Assault Brigade’s subordinates units didn’t fight alone. They fought together.
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I've never seen such a comprehensive peace plan as this:
"Pundits claim that if Donald Trump is re-elected, he will cut off aid to Ukraine, give away its territory, and deal directly with Vladimir Putin to impose an ignominious “peace” on the country.
There’s no evidence that such capitulation will be part of President Trump’s policy and much evidence to the contrary. It was Mr. Trump who in 2017 lifted the Obama administration’s arms embargo on Ukraine, providing it with the Javelin missiles that helped save Kyiv in the earliest days of Russia’s invasion. More recently, Mr. Trump gave political cover to House Speaker Mike Johnson when he maneuvered to pass additional military aid. Helping Ukraine while revitalizing the American defense industrial base in Alabama, Pennsylvania and Virginia is good policy—and good politics.
The Biden administration’s weakness has left Ukraine where it is today: two years into a full-scale war, with cities destroyed, hundreds of thousands killed, and millions of refugees, and without the means to win. The White House has no strategy for victory, and Americans are rightly concerned. While Mr. Biden stumbled into war through weakness, Mr. Trump could re-establish peace through strength. Here’s how a successful plan for Ukraine might look:
• Unleash America’s energy potential. This will fire up the U.S. economy, drive down prices and shrink Mr. Putin’s war-crimes budget.
• Rebuild ties with Saudi Arabia and Israel and work together against Iran. This will stabilize the Middle East, ease the Gaza crisis, and create an opening for the Saudis to join the U.S. in squeezing Russia out of global energy markets. (Two legs of the Russia-Iran-China Axis)
• Impose real sanctions on Russia. The Biden administration’s sanctions sound good on paper but are hollow. The Treasury, for example, exempts Russian banks from U.S. sanctions if their transactions are related to energy production—the most important revenue source for the Kremlin’s war machine.
• Bulk up America’s defense industry. We must show our adversaries, especially Russia and China, that they can’t compete with U.S. defense capabilities. Russia’s economy is smaller than Texas’. We can’t allow China to match and surpass the U.S.
• Revitalize the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. This includes making Europeans pay their fair share. It is time to raise the bar on spending to 3% of member countries’ gross domestic product.
• Create a $500 billion “lend-lease” program for Ukraine. Instead of saddling U.S. taxpayers with more bills, let Ukraine borrow as much as it needs to buy American weapons to defeat Russia. This is how we helped Britain in World War II before Pearl Harbor. It’s how we can send a clear signal to Mr. Putin that he will never win.
• Lift all restrictions on the type of weapons Ukraine can obtain and use. This will re-establish a position of strength, which Mr. Putin will understand means the war must end. He will face rising costs and no chance of further gain.
These steps would position Mr. Trump to set the terms of a deal: The war stops immediately. Ukraine builds up substantial defense forces so Russia never attacks again. No one recognizes Russia’s occupation and claimed annexation of any Ukrainian territories—just as we never recognized the Soviet incorporation of the Baltic states and withheld recognition from East Germany until 1974. Crimea is demilitarized. Ukraine rebuilds with reparations from Russia’s frozen central-bank reserves, not U.S. taxpayer dollars.
Ukraine joins NATO as soon as possible so all European allies assume the burden of protecting it. NATO should establish a $100 billion fund for arming Ukraine, with the U.S. share capped at 20%, as is the case with other alliance common budgets. The European Union should swiftly admit Ukraine and help it modernize and develop its economy.
If Russia complies with these terms, the West will gradually lift sanctions. They will be fully removed once Ukraine is in both NATO and the EU..............
These steps, and not the half-measures of the Biden administration, will end the war, establish a lasting peace, ensure Europe bears the burden of maintaining it, and re-establish freedom and security on the Continent.
To those who doubt: The last thing Mr. Trump wants in a second term is a foreign-policy failure that distracts from his domestic agenda and makes Mr. Biden’s botched withdrawal from Afghanistan look like a success in comparison."
"Pundits claim that if Donald Trump is re-elected, he will cut off aid to Ukraine, give away its territory, and deal directly with Vladimir Putin to impose an ignominious “peace” on the country.
There’s no evidence that such capitulation will be part of President Trump’s policy and much evidence to the contrary. It was Mr. Trump who in 2017 lifted the Obama administration’s arms embargo on Ukraine, providing it with the Javelin missiles that helped save Kyiv in the earliest days of Russia’s invasion. More recently, Mr. Trump gave political cover to House Speaker Mike Johnson when he maneuvered to pass additional military aid. Helping Ukraine while revitalizing the American defense industrial base in Alabama, Pennsylvania and Virginia is good policy—and good politics.
The Biden administration’s weakness has left Ukraine where it is today: two years into a full-scale war, with cities destroyed, hundreds of thousands killed, and millions of refugees, and without the means to win. The White House has no strategy for victory, and Americans are rightly concerned. While Mr. Biden stumbled into war through weakness, Mr. Trump could re-establish peace through strength. Here’s how a successful plan for Ukraine might look:
• Unleash America’s energy potential. This will fire up the U.S. economy, drive down prices and shrink Mr. Putin’s war-crimes budget.
• Rebuild ties with Saudi Arabia and Israel and work together against Iran. This will stabilize the Middle East, ease the Gaza crisis, and create an opening for the Saudis to join the U.S. in squeezing Russia out of global energy markets. (Two legs of the Russia-Iran-China Axis)
• Impose real sanctions on Russia. The Biden administration’s sanctions sound good on paper but are hollow. The Treasury, for example, exempts Russian banks from U.S. sanctions if their transactions are related to energy production—the most important revenue source for the Kremlin’s war machine.
• Bulk up America’s defense industry. We must show our adversaries, especially Russia and China, that they can’t compete with U.S. defense capabilities. Russia’s economy is smaller than Texas’. We can’t allow China to match and surpass the U.S.
• Revitalize the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. This includes making Europeans pay their fair share. It is time to raise the bar on spending to 3% of member countries’ gross domestic product.
• Create a $500 billion “lend-lease” program for Ukraine. Instead of saddling U.S. taxpayers with more bills, let Ukraine borrow as much as it needs to buy American weapons to defeat Russia. This is how we helped Britain in World War II before Pearl Harbor. It’s how we can send a clear signal to Mr. Putin that he will never win.
• Lift all restrictions on the type of weapons Ukraine can obtain and use. This will re-establish a position of strength, which Mr. Putin will understand means the war must end. He will face rising costs and no chance of further gain.
These steps would position Mr. Trump to set the terms of a deal: The war stops immediately. Ukraine builds up substantial defense forces so Russia never attacks again. No one recognizes Russia’s occupation and claimed annexation of any Ukrainian territories—just as we never recognized the Soviet incorporation of the Baltic states and withheld recognition from East Germany until 1974. Crimea is demilitarized. Ukraine rebuilds with reparations from Russia’s frozen central-bank reserves, not U.S. taxpayer dollars.
Ukraine joins NATO as soon as possible so all European allies assume the burden of protecting it. NATO should establish a $100 billion fund for arming Ukraine, with the U.S. share capped at 20%, as is the case with other alliance common budgets. The European Union should swiftly admit Ukraine and help it modernize and develop its economy.
If Russia complies with these terms, the West will gradually lift sanctions. They will be fully removed once Ukraine is in both NATO and the EU..............
These steps, and not the half-measures of the Biden administration, will end the war, establish a lasting peace, ensure Europe bears the burden of maintaining it, and re-establish freedom and security on the Continent.
To those who doubt: The last thing Mr. Trump wants in a second term is a foreign-policy failure that distracts from his domestic agenda and makes Mr. Biden’s botched withdrawal from Afghanistan look like a success in comparison."
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Can you imagine being an American and giving a f whether that little bitch Zelensky cedes land in East Ukraine?
Ukr is deteriorating faster and faster. They are losing multiple towns per day now. It used to take 6 months to take some of these fortress cities and they just took one in 6 weeks. The small towns that are defended by territorial defense forces are just leaving after a few days of attack.
The Iran drone program has been getting better at avoiding air defense as well. One bad thing about starting so many wars over the years is that you spread military knowledge to your next enemy. Once a genie is out of the bottle it's out. We are going to attacks on US soil because it's getting too cheap and easy to make drones and fly them into buildings or infrastructure. People like RR will wonder why... or actually he probably won't ask why..... we got attacked.
I posted this over a year ago and VH said it was BS but here it is again. Germany is Europes most industrial country. THey are falling apart due to this war and immigration. We are going to lose the entire Western culture in order to stick it to Putin.
Your source is dated July 24, 2024. A year ago?
Quote me where I said what you posted is bs. As is, it's another MAGA fantasy. How is stopping the war going to help Germany stop immigration & improve it's economy? They can't go back to Putin energy dependence.
I posted about energy prices spiking in Germany because of the war and you found some inane chart that showed no price increase for the time frame I was talking about. I have no desire to go back and find the exact post because you'll just make up some BS and say that wasn't what the chart showed when the whole point is that Germany's industrial base is cratering, and this war is the reason. Europe is falling apart and people like you seem to be OK with the West just giving away our civilization in order to feel good about being globalist...
This guy is pro Ukrainian. He has friends fighting for Ukraine in the foreign legion. He fought in Afghanistan as a member of the Australian military. So this isn't Russian disinfo. He talks to people who fight on the front lines and tells us what they say. Even he doesn't see a way forward for Ukraine. This also shows how news is selectively edited or out right faked in order to spin things better for Ukr than it actually is.
It has not been explained why Russia would start WWIII by attacking NATO. Not once.
Is that what you believe they will do? Can you explain the logic in that?
It has. Putin wants the former soviet bloc countries back.
You believe that Russia has ruined its’ military so that it can then take on the most powerful alliance in history?
Does that make sense?
Does that make sense?
According to you. Russia’s military has only gotten stronger.
Who said they’d instantly invade right after Ukraine fell? They’d take a few years to rebuild.
I don't believe you. Of course Germany energy prices spiked due to Russia NG cut off.
Why is the war causing Germany industry to crater? Higher NG prices? That's not the war. That's recognition that depending on Russia is fool's gold.
However Europe is falling apart - and it is going downhill - is due to their social & economy policies, not anything the US is doing except maybe raising tariffs on imports from there.
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Doesn't need to be WW3 to be a war. And it would be.
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Then those dominoes would start falling left & right. Gotta get the draft going to kill off a million lower & middle class Americans.
The point is that it never was, and never will be, in a position to challenge NATO. Especially after this.
Lol, Russia's economy is at 18% interest. But HMT said they're rolling?
Top Russian economist dies after falling out of window
Several top Russian officials have plunged to their deaths from windows in recent years, including a top oil executive and a defense official.
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^ I wish they'd get more creative with causes of death of those in prominence. Car drove off bridge/cliff? Drowning - even in bathtub?
Botched robbery where nothing was stolen off the victim.
You love exaggeration to the point of nonsense. That said, $2T on Defense is much better than a lot that is spent on now.
What's the old saying? Every little bit helps.
