The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)

[bigblueinsanity]

I want to know why - in this day and age - we can’t get accurate information re casualties. It doesn’t even seem like the press even cares.

We never had any accurate information about what's going on over there. Never ever. That's my point all along about why we should immediately stop money until at least the American people are given actual facts about what's happening.

This weird fog obscuring any fact can only mean they don't want us to know. In turn that means only one thing - us knowing would be bad which means its all probably lies and our entire involvement should end post haste

 

[RunninRichie]

We never had any accurate information about what's going on over there. Never ever. That's my point all along about why we should immediately stop money until at least the American people are given actual facts about what's happening.

This weird fog obscuring any fact can only mean they don't want us to know. In turn that means only one thing - us knowing would be bad which means its all probably lies and our entire involvement should end post haste

Or you know. How every war has ever been. Where do you think the term ''the first casualty in war, is truth'' came from? The nazis were telling Germans their army was pushing the US+UK to the sea. While Russian and American tanks were circling Berlin.

 

[WayneDougan]

Or you know. How every war has ever been. Where do you think the term ''the first casualty in war, is truth'' came from? The nazis were telling Germans their army was pushing the US+UK to the sea. While Russian and American tanks were circling Berlin.

The difference is that this is 2024 and we literally have a gazillion more ways to estimate casualties compared to 1941.

 

[RunninRichie]

The difference is that this is 2024 and we literally have a gazillion more ways to estimate casualties compared to 1941.

Which I linked.

 

[AustinTXCat]

Fox Business just now: Russia evacuates 180,000 due to UKR invasion.

Heh.

WSJ points to disruption of supply lines and take prisoners.

Wonder if UKR also trying to force a ceasefire?

 

[RunninRichie]

Fox Business just now: Russia evacuates 180,000 due to UKR invasion.

Heh.

WSJ points to disruption of supply lines and take prisoners.

Wonder if UKR also trying to force a ceasefire?

Surreal. That we're talking abou Ukraine INVADING RUSSIA. In 2024. Who would've thought this in 2022?

 

[Hank Camacho]

The difference is that this is 2024 and we literally have a gazillion more ways to estimate casualties compared to 1941.

Yes. And it still seems like governments know how to control the media reporting on wars to the point that getting completely accurate info seems utterly impossible.

After COVID, I'm not sure I trust a single actual media source. Rogan might as well be Cronkite now.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Fox Business just now: Russia evacuates 180,000 due to UKR invasion.

Heh.

WSJ points to disruption of supply lines and take prisoners.

Wonder if UKR also trying to force a ceasefire?

Hope so.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Or you know. How every war has ever been. Where do you think the term ''the first casualty in war, is truth'' came from? The nazis were telling Germans their army was pushing the US+UK to the sea. While Russian and American tanks were circling Berlin.

Wrong ite the complete opposite. Always before we had battle field reporters on the front lines with live video, reporting, etc. brave people but they were there.

This conflict has gone on all this time with information being all over the map but mostly the exclusive sources are from the two states both at odds and both with much to gain.

I immediately knew something was off when little z kept freely flying in and out of the country that was supposedly at war. Msm said oh thats because they let Russia know whos coming and out so they don't shoot down the plane with z on it.

So the official explanation is that two countries supposedly at war basically make sure to not kill the most important person to one of those parties? Thats the exact opposite of how war works. Yet everyone just nodded and went along.

We have no idea what's going on. Till they fix that, not another dime or missile should go out the door

 

[CastleRubric]

You might be right about NATO, but given the two + year clusterf@&k of Russia invading Ukraine, who is going to defeat NATO?

Russia has suffered more casualties than did the US in WWII, lost 600-800 aircraft and thousands of tanks and armored vehicles, sustained progression of no farther than 60 clicks into a country the size of Texas, suffered an invasion of Russia proper, and yet they would wipe NATO out?

Are the US and UK no longer in NATO? Germany has half-assed their participation for decades, but that doesn’t diminish the huge investments by Poland, and the Eastern flank, spurred on by Russia’s aggression against Ukraine.

It seems that the only guaranteed outcome of any of this frantic cluster-fkk-on-stilts -- is perhaps total destruction of the current/old world system

Nations seem to be hell bent on bankrupting and exhausting themselves through war and relentless psychological warfare - etc

 

[RunninRichie]

Wrong ite the complete opposite. Always before we had battle field reporters on the front lines with live video, reporting, etc. brave people but they were there.

This conflict has gone on all this time with information being all over the map but mostly the exclusive sources are from the two states both at odds and both with much to gain.

I immediately knew something was off when little z kept freely flying in and out of the country that was supposedly at war. Msm said oh thats because they let Russia know whos coming and out so they don't shoot down the plane with z on it.

So the official explanation is that two countries supposedly at war basically make sure to not kill the most important person to one of those parties? Thats the exact opposite of how war works. Yet everyone just nodded and went along.

We have no idea what's going on. Till they fix that, not another dime or missile should go out the door

There's plenty in Ukraine.

 

[CastleRubric]

I want to know why - in this day and age - we can’t get accurate information re casualties. It doesn’t even seem like the press even cares.

I would suggest at least part of why it's difficult to know / trust events & their portrayal is because information - almost ALL of it -- has been weaponized - disinformation and state agents playing both sides of a (contrived) conflict -- the landscape is being purposefully distorted

And people are probably sensing things they're afraid to speak about - fear of being called a name - and (look at EU) possibly being criminally persecuted for speaking wrong-think

So I think that intensifies the weird surreal (simulation) vibes -

Theres more but most of it is being revealed by degree it appears - like a ritual or something along those lines

There's a lot happening right now
And sometimes we're just consuming lies


I feel like I just complicated the living $hit out of that. -- but its a topic im passionate about

Peace, love and a UK Sugar Bowl type of mood to all yall -

 

[CastleRubric]

There's plenty in Ukraine.

Yet governments are criminalizing citizens who have dissident viewpoints

Or GOD FORBID - cross the line into disseminating disinformation or using the wrong cuss words and shit

There are a lot of criminally insane beings in power around the world - they are almost all enemies of the truth -

I hope all of you make it a point to have mini-sabbaticals fm news/media and the glaring noise of it all

I got a yellow jacket nest to go eradicate, friends