Thank again. I haven’t not decided yet so don’t get upset. I know it hard to be inside of it and not one doing the picking. It’s not something I do lightly. I’m being careful.
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Thank again. I haven’t not decided yet so don’t get upset. I know it hard to be inside of it and not one doing the picking. It’s not something I do lightly. I’m being careful.
I think I picked like 13th last time we did this. My core was Kyrie/Booker--not a top 5 pick roster lol.
Looks like I missed some fun. Maybe I was logged in on my other accounts when it was going on.
For the fifth time, we aren't playing each other, which you should be thankful for since you have zero players who can guard my guys while also scoring a basket in the national basketball association.
If you watch the NBA, you know that who starts and who plays when it matters are often very different.
Something about Norse always talking about modern basketball while drafting a 7 foot Soviet who can't jump over a phone book as his franchise cornerstone.
I don't see what is wrong with listing your starting lineup and bench. It at least shows who is getting the most minutes on your team. I mean you have Brogdan as your 4th pick is he starting or is he your 6th man?
I think thats a fair question
Ah, I see. more Russian interference. Nice way of sliding that to me.
I've asked several that you don't seem keen to answer. I trust that voters are smart enough to look at my team and know who would play without linking them to highlight videos.
Plus, most of them probably watched the Finals and saw what Kawhi can do.
No one here is arguing what Kawhi can do. Although the simple fact remains. He has a quad injury that he will have to take 20 games off at least per year. He'd beat the Warriors without KD and Klay Thompson.
That isn't even what we should be arguing. Jokic would match Kawhi output every game it would be a wash. I argue Murray and Beal would outplay Simmons and Mitchell every night easily.
Then you got Shaq. Also Dwight Howard led his team to the finals. You can also argue Pau Gasol had a huge role in the Lakers championship runs.
You talking ahout R.O.Y. and 2nd yr Allstar Ben Simmons and runner up Donovan Mithchell? The Ben Simmons that is 2nd fastest only to the Big O to get 2K pts, 1K reb, and 1K ast.? Easily? You done lost your mind.
I can give you Ben Simmons over Murray but Simmons weakness was on full display this finals. You trying to argue Mitchell is better than Beal the next 5 years? Lets go please make that argument.
Stats only tell so much of the story. Simmons is a playoff disaster because you are game planned for. He was the 4th best player on his team in the post season. Go check your stats
Again, the format is not that the two teams play each other.
It's also absurd to try and present Kawhi and Jokic as a wash.
Kawhi scored 27 a game while being one of the best and most versatile defenders of all time. Jokic did not.
I have 5 guys who finished top 60 in scoring and 6 who finished top 70. You have 3. And my team is the best in the league defensively.
I've already pointed out how I have more shooters.
I've already pointed out how my team is built to win the way basketball is played now with versatile scoring guards and wings while you're trying to argue that you'd play through the post like it's 1998.
Anyone who has ever watched the NBA knows that at the end of the game it boils down to your best player getting a shot against the clock and tough defense. We just saw Kawhi do that. In the Finals. Again.
You'd be playing through Brad Beal. And if you insist on pretending this is head to head, he'd be guarded by Kawhi freaking Leonard.
Dirk isn't a center.
Technically neither is Duncan. And the last time they won with him as the best player, I was in middle school.
Because his team is built wrong for him and that bogs down in the playoffs.
Maybe you can tell us who the Sixers are built around and who they tried to play through and why that didn't work.
Same argument back to you. Who's guarding Jokic in the final minute? You literally have no bigs. The "bigs" you do have would be in severe foul trouble. Easy buckets. You going to put your star player on Jokic?
My team gets buckets you have no answer.
Also I'd like to point out. No one on your team is Prime Iggy or will be. This notion that your defense is the best in the league is absurd. Kawhi sure but that is it. This league doesn't even favor defense like it use to. Only a few players come to mind in this day an age for defense Kawhi, Covington, Iggy, Davis and Paul George. Those are the 5 elite defensive players. Everyone else is just average rankings be damned.
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Not my arguement to make. YOU said easily everynight..not me. It wouldn't happen every night and surely not easily...being dishonest to say otherwise
Right. So rankings be damned defense is all the same and rankings be damned you have more good scorers than I do. Just say you picked guys you play with on 2k and be done with it.
I've already posted about Favors' defensive prowess. He led the league in defending at the rim, he finished 90th percentile challenging jumpers, and the Jazz were like 10% points better defending the 3 with him on the floor instead of Gobert.
Or read this:
And on the other end, the Jazz again decided to assign their bigs to guard MVP candidate Giannis Antetokounmpo, but this time around, Gobert struggled. The referees were allowing the Greek Freak to attack with physical drives, and Gobert struggled to play through that contact. Antetokounmpo shot 64 percent against Gobert, and the Bucks’ offensive rating on the 23 plays that Gobert had him was 157.
Favors, by contrast, guarded Giannis on 33 possessions. The dynamic forward still managed to score 15 of his team-high 43 against Favors, but he shot just 44 percent on those possessions, and the team ORtg slipped to 91.
But I mean aside from the raw numbers, the advanced numbers, the last 15 years of championship trends, and specific concrete reporting verified by statistics, its all the same.
Why would you give him Simmons over Murray? Murray has a great chance to be better over the next 5 years. You are going to talk yourself out of votes.
Ben Simmons objectively has the higher upside but mentally he's weak. Lord knows he's scared to take a jumpshot which would take him to the next level.
My boy Murray as all BBN knows is fearless and will let the blue arrow fly! He will be a top 5 Combo guard for years to come.
I like Murray fit better than Simmons with Kawhi and Mitchell. He has no place on that team. Is he suppose to stand around the 3 point line and wait for the bailout that he will brick?
You guys need to get off Simmons..ha. He is putting up numbers at a rate only a select few can lay claim to. Guys like Magic, LBJ, and the Big O. Sure, he has no shot. Can Murray or Beal pass or rebound like him? He had 8 more triple doubles than Beal and Murray combined last year. Probably got better post game than anyone on the opposing team.
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Anyone using stats in this day and age without watching the game doesn’t know shit. Did you vote every round for the Westbrook team? Why didn’t the Lebron team get past the 1st round?
Putting up stats is cool but remind me is harden, westbrick and Simmons NBA champions? No. Empty stats. Great players but all 3 have flaws which will never win them a chip as the #1 option
But he's the number 3 option.
And you don't want to go advanced stats on Jamal Murray or Brandon Ingram.
It's also not like Simmons thinks he's Westbrook, who averaged 6 attempts from 3 per game.
He averaged 16 points per game, which is a steady contribution, but he's absolutely elite as a playmaker and rebounder and nearly elite as a defender.
Meanwhile Murray gets you 21 a game on more shots and gives you nowhere near the contributions elsewhere.
I personally don’t believe in advanced stats so if u want to float that argument to the masses cool. But I’m not going to entertain it.
Example advanced stats hate Kobe but he’s a 5 time champ. Every player that played against him votes him over Lebron whom advanced stats love. So each to their own
Example advanced stats hate Kobe but he’s a 5 time champ. Every player that played against him votes him over Lebron whom advanced stats love. So each to their own
Oh no.
So you don't believe in raw or advanced stats?
You know they're just measurements of what our eyes see, right?
Gonzo has won me over with his last few arguments. Still not 100% sold, but I’m getting closer.
It's been a rough couple pages for Norse.
He still won't tell me the last team to be led to a title by their center.
He doesn't believe in advanced stats.
He ignored that I have more top 20, top 60, and top 70 scorers than he does, yet he's trying to sell unstoppable offense to mask awful defense.
He ignored that I have more shooters. He ignored how great a matchup for Jokic that Derrick Favors is and that this isn't a head to head matchup in the first place.
Ben Simmons scored or assisted on 299 transition FGs this year. That's second in the NBA.
Imagine putting that alongside the league's best defense, thereby increasing transition opportunities.
Then imagine that he's not playing with slow guys like Redick, Harris and Embiid.
Imagine putting that alongside the league's best defense, thereby increasing transition opportunities.
Then imagine that he's not playing with slow guys like Redick, Harris and Embiid.
He also hasn't made a 3 in 2 years, only attempting 11, and in the playoffs this year didn't make a shot outside of 10 feet.
Still won R.O.Y. and made Allstar team in 2nd year...doing something right.
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