So making an AA team is the only measure in which to draft from. Got it!
Semi-Finals GonzoCat90 vs. CowTown Cat
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I mean, nobody was who they were after developing in the nba a few years. I agree that Booker probably wasn’t a great pick, but Kawhi was a second team all American that certainly has a place in this draft.
He’s obviously not Durant or KAT level in college, but that doesn’t make him a bad pick. You obviously can’t sell him as an upper echelon player in college just for his name, but that goes for a lot of others, as well.
I’m leaning toward Cowtown. Fair or not, I keep thinking of Durant dominating college ball all year, then flaming out in the second round.
I’m viewing it as “which team do I trust the most in a NCAA Final with everything on the line.” By a razor thin margin, I’m trusting Cowtown’s team.
I’m viewing it as “which team do I trust the most in a NCAA Final with everything on the line.” By a razor thin margin, I’m trusting Cowtown’s team.
You’re acting as if he wasn’t good in college. Simply pointing out that he was a second team AA at ****ing San Diego State. You act as if it’s the ONLY metric in which to build a team.
Claiming that Zion was hurt half of his college career is kinda cute, yet very misleading, though. He missed a grand total of 5 games out of 38. Only way that’s half the time is if you have “fuzzy math”. 🤣
38 games? Did he not win a title? Surrounded by all that talent and with the best coach of all time?
Wow. Don't tell Aike.
Wow. Don't tell Aike.
Made it much further than Durant. K being the GOAT coach is very hyperbolic IMO.
No, I'm acting as if it's the most universally agreed upon metric that has proven reliable over the decades, both historically and in present day.
To have 40% of your roster not be one of the 15 best players in the country at the time makes me skeptical they were among the 120 best of the last 20 years. Or anywhere close.
No one drafted a "bad" player in this. But that ain't the standard here. Eric Bledsoe is a fine player but if you took him in an all time NBA draft you'd get laughed at.
Not really. It’s pretty common knowledge that the upperclassmen will get the nod on these AA lists more times than not. I took several underclassmen and blended them with the upperclassmen. Simply because they were much more talented than these “upperclassmen AAs”.
The all time wins leader with 5 titles, in the modern era, in perhaps the toughest conference, with an all time top 3-4 rival, at a small academic school?
I mean come on. Very hyperbolic? If you have him any lower than...second? Third? then you're just being a hater.
Probably a coincidence that 9/10 of my guys made it then and that your best players did too.
Durant, KAT, Morant--all managed to make it. As freshmen.
Same with Oladipo, Hunter and Lawson as underclassmen.
Draymond, Collison and Hart made it as seniors.
Maybe if you're really good they put you on the All American team. Or at least one of the three.
How many teams would they have needed for Booker and Lamb? Were they even all conference? I'm sure Fox was. Was Bam?
This one is close, but if we’re applying the correct criteria (looking only at college performance and not what they did in the NBA) then Gonzo should win.
Devin Booker and Kawhi Leonard are clear examples of players who didn’t make their mark until after they got to the NBA. Booker never even started a game in college. And Leonard couldn’t shoot worth shit in college. He was only 25% from threes in his college career. He didn’t develop his jump shot until he was in the pros.
So two of the biggest names on Cowtown’s team really shouldn’t be given all that much weight in this game …IF voters are applying the correct criteria.
Devin Booker and Kawhi Leonard are clear examples of players who didn’t make their mark until after they got to the NBA. Booker never even started a game in college. And Leonard couldn’t shoot worth shit in college. He was only 25% from threes in his college career. He didn’t develop his jump shot until he was in the pros.
So two of the biggest names on Cowtown’s team really shouldn’t be given all that much weight in this game …IF voters are applying the correct criteria.
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Narrator: they aren't.
The pander-off was last round and that was your de facto title game.
Three guys who shouldn't have been drafted, two of them are starters. Bet you can't guess what they have in common.
Booker didn’t start a college game, but most likely should have started. He was better than Aaron Harrison as a freshman. The numbers back that up. Just because Cal started the twins doesn’t necessarily mean they were a better backcourt than Booker/Ulis.
Kawhi Leonard was a second team AA at SDSU. It wasn’t like he was a scrub in college. Not sure why that narrative is being thrown around, but whatever.
Wish I had a nickel for every time you use the term “pander”. 🤣
Morant actually wasn’t an AA as a freshman. He was as a sophomore, though. 🤔
Wish I had a nickel for every draft ruined by it.
Same draft acknowledged that we couldn't include AD for that very reason. So y'all just took every other Cat instead, and Norse had the audacity to cry that I ruined the spirit of the thing.
With more help from officiating, the NCAA and media than any other coach in history, except possibly Wooden. He was gifted every title he’s ever won. Be it officiating, easy draws or a combination of both.
Funny you mention the ACC. When was the last time K won the conference outright? Correct, over a decade ago. Those are some real GOAT accolades there.
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Gonzo undervaluing Doron Lamb as a college player. I think there are a lot of combinations of players that Lamb would be the perfect fit with in this format. He’s one of the best floor stretchers of all time.
You've been a little high strung this go around. Everything okay? Seems like your taking everything pretty personal
Not to mention, he’s so much more than just a catch and shoot player. Nevermind the spin that Gonzo is putting on him.
He could put the ball on the floor and beat you to the bucket, he was a good passer, use the one dribble pull up, had a great midrange game, etc. All the while, rarely turning the ball over and he could play damn good defense. Anyone that doesn’t believe me, go back and watch games when he was at Kentucky.
By the way, he shot 49% from 3 as a freshman and 47% as a sophomore. Every time he shot it, you thought it was going in. Fantastic college player.
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Yeah I don’t bait. Just going with my gut. You’ve got a good team. Could go either way.
I'm great. These are fun. The point is to discuss the players and teams. That's what we're doing.
Saying that one of the most straight shooters on the board in @Aike is baiting is asinine. He’s throwing out everything but the kitchen sink in this draft as always. Especially so in this matchup in particular.
Sure am glad I’m around to debate. If not, he would paint my team to be worse than an elementary school team. He’s said at least three non accurate statements in this thread alone.
undervaluing? Good grief lol. You can't undervalue a guy who was the fourth or fifth best player on his own team in a draft of ALL TIME great college players. That's absurd.
He averaged 13 points, under three rebounds and under two assists. He was never even all conference.
He should not have been drafted in this format. He's not even as good as a guy like Luke Kennard, who was nowhere near anyone's draft board, I can promise you.
I told you you drafted several guys who shouldn't have been drafted. That's true.
But if all American teams and stats and accolades don't count, and all that matters is your nostalgiac personal scouting report, sure. Keep setting me straight.
Go on. Make the case. Compare them for us to see. Show us you don't watch anyone but Kentucky.
Sure, okay. Zion missed half the time with injury. Because half of 38 is 5. Ja Morant was an AA as a freshman, except it was his second college season. 🤔
I'll do it for you:
Lamb- 13.7 points, 2.7 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 0.5 steals 47% from 3. zero all conference or all American selections.
Kennard: 19.5 points, 5.1 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 0.8 steals, 44% from 3. All ACC. Consensus All American.
You WATCHED one of them play. You LIKE him more. He was not a better or more accomplished player. He was just here when Anthony Davis was.
Lamb- 13.7 points, 2.7 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 0.5 steals 47% from 3. zero all conference or all American selections.
Kennard: 19.5 points, 5.1 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 0.8 steals, 44% from 3. All ACC. Consensus All American.
You WATCHED one of them play. You LIKE him more. He was not a better or more accomplished player. He was just here when Anthony Davis was.
Hey thanks for contributing like always. We value the basketball analysis you bring to the board.
Cool. Now do their careers. He shot the ball much worse over two seasons, especially his freshman season. Pretty neat that you took Kennard’s sophomore shooting stats and compared them to Lamb’s freshman shooting stats. 😂
Not to mention, Kennard played more minutes and shot the ball much more than did Lamb. By the way, I watched a lot of Kennard. I don’t think he was a better college player than Lamb.
I did analyze... (It's nice to be a "we", I never got that far to speak for others.) looks like you lost but I could be wrong. Do I owe you anything? Do I owe the board anything? Oh... Be Good
Oh, "A man's got to know his limitations." Some never learn that... (Not you though...) Be Good again.
Every stat I've given through this whole process was from a guy's best (usually last) season.
Or did you want the Shabazz Napier who shot 32% from three and averaged 7 points per game?
Which year did Lamb score 20 and earn all conference and all American honors? I mean listen to yourself man. We're discussing basketball here.
Ahhh I stand corrected. I thought he shot 49% his sophomore season, so my apologies. Anyway, do their career stats, since they both played two seasons.
Because you're a Kentucky fan. But it's objectively false. You may like Green Eggs and Ham because it makes you think of childhood memories, but consensus opinion among educated people says it's not as good as Shakespeare.
The point of this thing was to discuss the best college players of the last 20 years. You may have taken the best ones you remember. But people who know more about this than either of us disagree with you.
You're in luck though. This board doesn't watch basketball either.
