MLB All-Time Draft Round 2 LukaszObrzut vs. Cowtown Cat

[DraftCat]

This is Round 2 of an All-Time MLB Draft. 8 Position players... 4 Starting Pitchers.. 1 Closer (No Bench)

Objective: Head 2 Head which team wins in a best of 7 (World Series)

Rules
1. Babe Ruth and Shohei Ohtani can only be used as either a pitcher or position player.
2. Arguments are based on career averages (No 1 year wonders)
3. Two Days of voting you will be allowed to change your pick and your pick is public.

Link to Playoffs click here



@LukaszObrzut - Ty Cobb, Sandy Koufax, Albert Pujols, Christy Mathewson, Reggie Jackson, Yogi Berra, Lefty Grove, Warren Spahn, Harmon Killebrew, Mookie Betts, Nomar Garciaparra, Bruce Sutter, John Franco, Nellie Fox



vs.


@Cowtown Cat - Barry Bonds, Honus Wagner, Bob Gibson, Roberto Clemente, Robin Yount, Rod Carew, Carlton Fisk, Brooks Robinson, Whitey Ford, Paul Molitor, Goose Gossage, Madison Bumgarner, Jack Morris

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

@DraftCat do we have an error in Lukas players? I have franco on my team.

I'm voting now but it isn't in stone, looking forward to the arguments.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Well @Cowtown Cat , it isn't. I'll keep the why to myself for now.

 

[DraftCat]

@DraftCat do we have an error in Lukas players? I have franco on my team.

I'm voting now but it isn't in stone, looking forward to the arguments.

IDK do we ? LOL

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

IDK do we ? LOL

I'm confused

 

[DraftCat]

I'm confused

It matches the lineup I have on the draft thread

 

[Cowtown Cat]

So who has John Franco?! 🤣

 

[drcats2013]

Think it was supposed to be Julio Franco. Go ahead and change it Norse….

 

[DraftCat]

Think it was supposed to be Julio Franco. Go ahead and change it Norse….

Okie Dokie...... pretty sure he put John Franco but lol

 

[drcats2013]

Okie Dokie...... pretty sure he put John Franco but lol

I’m just kidding LOL. I assumed you’d know. My bad.

 

[Cowtown Cat]

I’ll have to post my lineups/rotations tomorrow. Gonna be busy this evening. Idk maybe I can later.

 

[DraftCat]

I’m just kidding LOL. I assumed you’d know. My bad.

John or Julio Franco is not deciding this match up LOL

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

It matches the lineup I have on the draft thread

I had him too but starting around round 6, I always searched. Lukas has him, I guess.

 

[LukaszObrzut]

I do not have Franco

 

[Cowtown Cat]

I do not have Franco

Lmfao 🤦‍♂️

 

[LukaszObrzut]

Similar to @Cowtown Cat I’ll post lineup in early AM been on the road and busy tonight.

Yea- Sutter and the screw was my chosen closer. No need for another.

 

[LukaszObrzut]

Mookie Betts
Ty Cobb
Albert Pujols
Harmon Killebrew
Yogi Berra
Nomar Garciaparra
Reggie Jackson
Nellie Fox

SP- Sandy Koufax 3x Cy- K/9 King- Nasty Curve- — PS- 2x WS MVP - 0.95 ERA/57 IP

SP- Warren Spahn Cy Young/ 14x All Star - Durability - 9x led league in CG- 2500+ career K’s

SP- Christy Mathewson- 2x Triple Crown - 0.97 in 100 IP PS- dominated the era - top 10 pitcher of all time “screwball”

SP- Lefty Grove- another dominant strikeout pitcher who was fantastic in postseason

RP- Bruce Sutter- 12 yrs 300 saves - led the league in 5

 

[drcats2013]

Gotta see cowtowns argument, too. This is CLOSE

 

[LukaszObrzut]

My team has hitting and pitching versatility. My pitching is best and the top and also 1-4

15x AS 3x mvp Yogi Berra will only boost the staff.

 

[LukaszObrzut]

If we honor Honus than we must give Mathewson equal respect- in this case I have 100% two aces on the staff in this draft

Grove pitched in the 30’s hitter friendly and led the AL in ERA 9x

Spahn 13x 20 game winner led league in wins 8x & had 361 complete games

 

[LukaszObrzut]

Fun fact - my 9 hole hitter Nellie Fox only struck out 2% of time in 10k PA

 

[LukaszObrzut]

Albert Pujols 3x MVP top player of the 2000s

Pujols, Jackson and Killebrew combined for nearly 2000 HRs

Berra 3x MVP was also a power guy for his position - all time winner - and glue guy

Cobb, Betts, Garciaparra, Fox are you smart / high IQ players-

 

[Cowtown Cat]

2B - Rod Carew
SS - Honus Wagner
RF - Roberto Clemente
LF - Barry Bonds
CF - Robin Yount
1B - Paul Molitor
3B - Brooks Robinson
C - Carlton Fisk

Rotation:

1. Bob Gibson - 2 time World Series champ and 2 time WS MVP. 9 Gold Gloves

2. Madison Bumgarner - 3 time World Series champ and 1 time WS MVP. 0.25 WS ERA with minimum 20 innings pitched. 52 2/3 innings pitched in single postseason. 2 time Silver Slugger Award winner.

3. Jack Morris - 4 time WS champ and 1 time WS MVP. Went 3-0 in 1984 postseason with 2 complete games in 1984 WS. Went 4-0 in 1991 postseason with a 10 inning complete game in game 7 WS victory.

4. Whitey Ford - 10 time All Star and 6 time WS champ. 1961 Cy Young Award winner and WS MVP.

That’s a total of 15 WS championships between my starters. The goal was who would win a 7 game World Series. I drafted pitchers with the most playoff success. Postseason success should be valued higher than regular season accolades in this format. JMO.

Closer:

Goose Gossage - 9 time All Star. 310 saves and 1 time WS champ.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I’ll have to post my lineups/rotations tomorrow. Gonna be busy this evening. Idk maybe I can later.

Busy huh? Im'a be nice and just let that one go.

 

[Cowtown Cat]

Busy huh? Im'a be nice and just let that one go.

I was….last night….🤣

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I was….last night….🤣

Need a nap?

 

[Cowtown Cat]

Need a nap?

Will later. 🤣

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Will later. 🤣

Just remember to stretch out well first.

 

[drcats2013]

As of now, I have Cowtown by a nose. Two very, very good teams, and this is hard.

 

[LukaszObrzut]

I have WS CHAMP pitchers as well—- and WS hitters

Reggie Jackson, Albert Pujols, Yogi Berra, Albert Pujols and Mookie Betts are all WS champions who play key roles - in some cases MVPs

Nellie Fox hit .375 in 6 games in his WS spot — Garciaparra was a career .300 hitter in the postseason in 32 games

 

[LukaszObrzut]

@Cowtown Cat hitters are facing the better pitchers and rotation.

Do not discredit the value in a World Champion catcher in Berra.

 

[Cowtown Cat]

@Cowtown Cat hitters are facing the better pitchers and rotation.

Do not discredit the value in a World Champion catcher in Berra.

I have a very strong postseason pitching staff. All my guys are/were great in the playoffs.

 

[LukaszObrzut]

I have a very strong postseason pitching staff. All my guys are/were great in the playoffs.

No doubt they were great - as this is a HOF draft. Just mine are a little better

I think most would say Koufax is a better game 1 starter over Gibson- he had 2 CG in WS wins .. and was the most dominant in doing it.


Lefty was greater than say Bumgarner imo who outperformed all in his era (live ball era) where hitting was supreme.

Morris was a guy who won games but was hit/miss. - still take Mathewson over him who dominated his era.

Spahn was also just a respected pitcher his entire career and will take the winningest catcher away from Ford

While your staff is good, mine has to be better.

 

[Cowtown Cat]

No doubt they were great - as this is a HOF draft. Just mine are a little better

I think most would say Koufax is a better game 1 starter over Gibson- he had 2 CG in WS wins .. and was the most dominant in doing it.


Lefty was greater than say Bumgarner imo who outperformed all in his era (live ball era) where hitting was supreme.

Morris was a guy who won games but was hit/miss. - still take Mathewson over him who dominated his era.

Spahn was also just a respected pitcher his entire career and will take the winningest catcher away from Ford

While your staff is good, mine has to be better.

Mine has 15 WS championships. How many does yours have?

 

[LukaszObrzut]

Mine has 15 WS championships. How many does yours have?

LOL .. which of your starters are better than mine h2h?

 

[LukaszObrzut]

Put mine in the same situations as yours and they’ve historically been more dominant.

It also takes more than one pitcher to win a WS.

For example - in 56 and 58 Ford , Yogi and Yankees won a WS… but Ford had a 5.25 era in 56 and 4.11 era in 58– he had a 1 WS worth talking about

 

[JonathanW]

My team has hitting and pitching versatility. My pitching is best and the top and also 1-4

15x AS 3x mvp Yogi Berra will only boost the staff.

Unusual batting order

 

[JonathanW]

Close one for me to pick. And looks like I just tied it up

 

[LukaszObrzut]

Unusual batting order

Just certain things I look for in specific spots and feel I was able to fit them in nicely.

 

[DraftCat]

Tied at 9-9 voting extended to 10:00 EST