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Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

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Too many hyperbolic folks on her fantasizing about the unlikeliest of scenarios. Get back to me when Russia invades Finland or Sweden then we'll talk. Not happening.
So your position is that Putin is done after taking Ukraine such that he has zero further ambitions? And your position is that NATO would never accept Sweden or Finland?
 
What changes in this country have you seen politically over the past 20 years? This has not been a gradual change. It has been exponential. 20 years ago, Dems would cringe and call foul if you called them socialists. Now, top Dem candidates overtly run on a socialist platform. This is not 2001.
I started to respond to this but then realized I’m falling into trap of arguing left vs right nonsense.
 
Psaki claims that Biden has built a coalition and rallied the world. This spin seems as unbelievable as Putin’s. The Dems perpetuated the Russian Collusion hoax and then dropped sanctions on Russia and increased our own reliance upon Russia. Then, we sat and watched Putin ramp up his forces for weeks and we acted like it would not happen, then said a little incursion would be okay, and then only a week before began acting as if it was imminent, but then delayed in putting in place any sanctions. Weak is as weak does.
She's overstating the case, but that's her job. I can't argue that whatever "coalition" there is and actions they take that Biden isn't a big part of it. Without the interest of the rest of NATO, what could the US have done alone? Yes, not enough was done and being done but this has been years in the making imo.
 
I was going with an older thought of VH1 or VHS since he is an older fella like me (I think older). Those were the first 2 that came to mind. My wife tells me my mind goes to weird first thoughts anyway and I needed to see a psychologist which I did last year for the first time since I opted for a third year as a Drill Sergeant during my military career. They wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy.


Ahhhh!!
You were a drill sgt?
Damn , man ——smokey the bear hat and everything??

You know in the USAF — we called them Training Instructors

See?

You already sound like someone who gets better per diem!


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I agree. This will make our excursions in Afghanistan and Iraq look like intelligent strategy. It looks really bad right now, but I really think in 2-3 years Russia is bogged down with guerilla warfare against people who care more about the fight. The economic sanctions and the expense of maintaining this type of effort will really be hurting the everyday Russian economically as well. I think Putin overplayed his hand here honestly. Also NATO has Ukraine flanked in Poland already. The longer this takes the easier NATO can supply arms to the Ukrainians. In the grand scheme of war Russia is outflanked.
Maybe our terms differ, but I don't see Poland as "flanking" Ukraine. It's just the western border.
 
If China promised to support them militarily that would change.

No it wouldn't.

So your position is that Putin is done after taking Ukraine such that he has zero further ambitions? And your position is that NATO would never accept Sweden or Finland?

My position was pretty clear: Russia isn't invading Finland or Sweden because they know NATO would respond and they're not going to challenge NATO beyond empty rhetoric. But I know the WWII obsessed old fanboys here will continue to fantasize about WWIII so have at it. Get back to me when Russia is finished in Ukraine and the situation is fully under control.
 
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The scary part of this is what Putin will do to save face. Sure, the resistance from Ukraine is admirable and the reasonable thing for them to do - but if it leads Putin towards saving face and going w/total destruction ftw - it will be devastating.

Guess you have to hope Putin keeps his “cool” and also goes with the long game - don’t want to see him break to save ego and burn it all down.
 
Psaki claims that Biden has built a coalition and rallied the world. This spin seems as unbelievable as Putin’s. The Dems perpetuated the Russian Collusion hoax and then dropped sanctions on Russia and increased our own reliance upon Russia. Then, we sat and watched Putin ramp up his forces for weeks and we acted like it would not happen, then said a little incursion would be okay, and then only a week before began acting as if it was imminent, but then delayed in putting in place any sanctions. Weak is as weak does.

The only coalition that biden has built was telling Zwellenski(sp?) To leave his country and people fighting. What an absolute shame biden is to this country.
 
No it wouldn't.



My position was pretty clear: Russia isn't invading Finland or Sweden because they know NATO would respond and they're not going to challenge NATO beyond empty rhetoric. But I know the WWII obsessed old fanboys here will continue to fantasize about WWIII so have at it. Get back to me when Russia is finished in Ukraine and the situation is fully under control.
I'll get back to you when I choose. You're in charge of nothing.

Why would NATO react to invasion of Finland & Sweden when neither is in NATO - just like Ukraine? Finland in particular is pretty isolated other than from Russia.
 
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I'll get back to you when I choose. You're in charge of nothing.

Why would NATO react to invasion of Finland & Sweden when neither is in NATO - just like Ukraine? Finland in particular is pretty isolated other than from Russia.

We'd be smart to sign Finland and Sweden up for NATO TODAY, to further isolate Russia.
 
I'll get back to you when I choose. You're in charge of nothing.

Why would NATO react to invasion of Finland & Sweden when neither is in NATO - just like Ukraine? Finland in particular is pretty isolated other than from Russia.

If you think the Ukraine situation with Russia is comparable to like Sweden there's no point discussing further. You think NATO would just let two members of the EU get potentially swallowed up by Russia? Lol. No chance.

And TBH it's hard being rational here given you were the guy who last year admitted to getting off to cake fart vids. But I don't want to get too far off topic.
 
Get off Twitter more. What happened after 9/11?
Never been on Twitter. A lot has changed in this country since 9/11. I am not as confident in the resolve of about half of this nation right now. About half would be good with a socialist government and would not fight for America as we know it now. Nationalism is frowned upon by many.
 
To many people today think someone else should take care of them. I blame that on the liberal slant of our government. They are to soft and I doubt it will translate well into fighting if it comes to that. I hope I am wrong.
Exactly. If they think that the attacking army would give them free everything...
 
On top of not cutting off SWIFT, climate activists somehow think that mining and refining in Russia is environmentally disconnected from us in this hemisphere. Russia is not held hostage to climate activists. So, we turn down the spigot here to have it done abroad in a less environmentally friendly way. 🤦‍♂️
Exactly. Very similar to the “hunting is barbaric and cruel. That’s why I get my meat at a grocery store” crowd.
 
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Ahhhh!!
You were a drill sgt?
Damn , man ——smokey the bear hat and everything??

You know in the USAF — we called them Training Instructors

See?

You already sound like someone who gets better per diem!


[laughing] [laughing]
Or Tech Sergeants? Yeah, I was one for three years. Got divorced after the first year and so decided to just opt for a third. Normally it is a 2-year stint but, you can opt for a third which requires a doctor's approval. They think you are either crazy or a sadist.

Funny how those files were hard to train though.
 
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No it wouldn't.



My position was pretty clear: Russia isn't invading Finland or Sweden because they know NATO would respond and they're not going to challenge NATO beyond empty rhetoric. But I know the WWII obsessed old fanboys here will continue to fantasize about WWIII so have at it. Get back to me when Russia is finished in Ukraine and the situation is fully under control.
False.
 
I'll get back to you when I choose. You're in charge of nothing.

Why would NATO react to invasion of Finland & Sweden when neither is in NATO - just like Ukraine? Finland in particular is pretty isolated other than from Russia.
He lost all credibility in the post when he assumed old poster were wanting WWIII. Far from it.
 
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If you think the Ukraine situation with Russia is comparable to like Sweden there's no point discussing further. You think NATO would just let two members of the EU get potentially swallowed up by Russia? Lol. No chance.

And TBH it's hard being rational here given you were the guy who last year admitted to getting off to cake fart vids. But I don't want to get too far off topic.
Too late.
 
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What is the long-term supply reality? By that I mean the sustainability to produce and continue supplying Europe as well as us going forward.
Currently, the US produces about 10% more natural gas than we consume. The Marcellus Shale play is only about 20% of that production while the rest is from other shale plays and drilling, both onshore and offshore.

Estimates are that our production should continue to increase consistent with demand, but since natural gas is non-renewable, it will run out eventually. Tough to say when, but geologists think there could be as much as 200 trillion cubic feet of gas just in the Appalachians (we consume about 30 tcf per year in the US). The problem is that we have to frack to get it, and we all know how controversial that is these days.

We can't supply all of Europe in addition to the US, but we can certainly supplement their supply for decades IMO.
 
I'll get back to you when I choose. You're in charge of nothing.

Why would NATO react to invasion of Finland & Sweden when neither is in NATO - just like Ukraine? Finland in particular is pretty isolated other than from Russia.
Suomi signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) with NATO in 2014. Another defense MoU between Finland and US Air Forces Europe (USAFE) has existed since 2005. While officially maintaining neutrality, Finns are nevertheless NATO Response Force and European Union Battlegroup members, "practically a coalition".
 
Currently, the US produces about 10% more natural gas than we consume. The Marcellus Shale play is only about 20% of that production while the rest is from other shale plays and drilling, both onshore and offshore.

Estimates are that our production should continue to increase consistent with demand, but since natural gas is non-renewable, it will run out eventually. Tough to say when, but geologists think there could be as much as 200 trillion cubic feet of gas just in the Appalachians (we consume about 30 tcf per year in the US). The problem is that we have to frack to get it, and we all know how controversial that is these days.

We can't supply all of Europe in addition to the US, but we can certainly supplement their supply for decades IMO.
Need to also get back to coal production and build newer more "environmentally" friendly plants because coal is abundant in this world. Nuclear plants as well. The New Green climate hawking morons have no clue as to the real damage they are doing trying to eliminate fossil fuels as energy producing assets.
 
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Never been on Twitter. A lot has changed in this country since 9/11. I am not as confident in the resolve of about half of this nation right now. About half would be good with a socialist government and would not fight for America as we know it now. Nationalism is frowned upon by many.
I don’t think many even understand what resolve means. We haven’t fought a war with resolve since WW2. It requires brutality, it isn’t about “ winning hearts and minds”.
A country doesn’t have an insurgency when they are beaten into submission. Which is I’m afraid is about to happen in Ukraine. We are assuming Russia wants the world to accept them after this is over, they may be if the mindset that they’ll be the ones accepting us.
 
Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev posted on social media Saturday that "we don't especially need diplomatic relations... It's time to padlock the embassies and continue contacts looking at each other through binoculars and gun sights," according to Reuters.

"The sanctions are being imposed for one simple reason -- political impotence arising from their [the West's] inability to change Russia's course," Medvedev reportedly wrote on his VK network page, apparently shrugging off the economic measures that have been imposed on Russia for its invasion of Ukraine.

Medvedev also said the sanctions give the Kremlin a good reason to pull out of dialogue on nuclear stability and that Russia's suspension from the Council of Europe human rights watchdog gives it an opportunity to restore the death penalty for criminals, Reuters reports.
 
Currently, the US produces about 10% more natural gas than we consume. The Marcellus Shale play is only about 20% of that production while the rest is from other shale plays and drilling, both onshore and offshore.

Estimates are that our production should continue to increase consistent with demand, but since natural gas is non-renewable, it will run out eventually. Tough to say when, but geologists think there could be as much as 200 trillion cubic feet of gas just in the Appalachians (we consume about 30 tcf per year in the US). The problem is that we have to frack to get it, and we all know how controversial that is these days.

We can't supply all of Europe in addition to the US, but we can certainly supplement their supply for decades IMO.
I've read estimates of a 100 year supply and people calling the United States the Saudi Arabia of nat gas.
 
Need to also get back to coal production and build newer more "environmentally" friendly plants because coal is abundant in this world. Nuclear plants as well. The New Green climate hawking morons have no clue as to the real damage they are doing trying to eliminate fossil fuels as energy producing assets.
How close are we really to “clean coal?”
 
I don’t think many even understand what resolve means. We haven’t fought a war with resolve since WW2. It requires brutality, it isn’t about “ winning hearts and minds”.
A country doesn’t have an insurgency when they are beaten into submission. Which is I’m afraid is about to happen in Ukraine. We are assuming Russia wants the world to accept them after this is over, they may be if the mindset that they’ll be the ones accepting us.
I assume Russia does not want to rebuild the cities of Ukraine and wanted this war to look subtle. If Ukraine could withstand a war, the West would likely rebuild much of the country. Putin wants his cake and wants to eat it too.
 
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