Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions
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Currently having debate with myself of whether if it’s wrong to urge Ukrainians to fight if it means certain death. Would it be better to not fight and focus on insurgency? They will fight regardless out of pride. I’d fight for my homeland out of pride. I get it. But is it certain death and certain loss? I don’t know
Its already sporty in Kyiv. Russia is known for taking cities going back to ww2 and both chechen wars. It looks like a ton of Ukrainians are fighting though.
Does this explain why we didn’t go after energy sanctions? It’s almost as if we knew what was about to happen and still proceeded.
Hey - good find right there , b2tb!
Ever get the feeling that the average citizen is just following a B-Movie plot ?
Have.a good rest of the evening
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Have been researching US hypersonic technology to conclude if we are behind Russia and China. Good article.
Again, you’re making a straw man argument. If you don’t know what that is, it’s when you make an argument and attribute it to someone else as if they stated it.
Do you actually want to know my opinion? If not, why the f are we communicating?
Is it strange that I do? And I believe the tech is finally right to move the plan faster than ever.
Have a good one.
I just have to laugh at the russian army. What a paper tiger. Getting their asses kicked by some civilians.
Molotov cocktails are f'ing up those apc's and tanks
They are holding a lot back though. A lot of soldiers sent in were weekend warriors only told they were being deployed a week ago. We also know they are capable of a lot more air power. They are hedging their bets for something.
Putin knows he can't level cities. Huge protest in Russia and some of their elected officials are even saying he's gone further that what they voted for.... protecting Donbas. If he drops bombs on Kyiv he might actually lose the next election.
“Election”. Hope all that is true but fear the Fuhror is past that. Stalin didn’t give a **** if he was popular. He just whacked the opposition.
Several distribution customers reversed the flow of pipelines from Russia because it's cheaper to tap local storage and wells. This is from 2 months ago.
Analysis: Hoping for cheaper gas to come, Europe reverses Russian link to tap storage
Gas traders are relying on stockpiles to supply European buyers and avoid paying near record-high prices, industry sources and market analysts said, explaining the unusual reverse in direction of flows through a major Russian pipeline.
www.reuters.com
There are several export terminal projects that will benefit from the infrastructure bill that are either started or already planned. Some were cancelled last year but could begin again with more demand. This piece is from April.
LNG Project Tracker: Commercial talks pick up as field of developers shrinks
U.S. LNG developers have pointed to a greater sense of urgency among LNG buyers to sign long-term contracts. But not all projects will make it to construction.
www.spglobal.com
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Ukrainian presidential adviser says situation is "under control" in suburbs and outskirts of Kyiv
Myhailo Podoliak, a senior adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, said early Saturday that Russian forces had tried to "bring the maximum amount of equipment into the city of Kyiv."But, he said, "Currently, the situation in the suburbs and the surrounding area is under control."
Speaking on Ukrainian television, he said there were "separate sabotage and reconnaissance groups" in the city, but that police and territorial self-defense units "are actively working against them."
Battle in the city: Earlier Saturday, the Ukrainian Interior Ministry warned Kyiv residents that fighting was taking place on the streets, and urged civilians to seek shelter and stay indoors. Gunfire was heard near the city center before dawn, following several hours of loud explosions in and around the capital.
Russian cruise missiles inadvertently hit high rise
“Inadvertently” suurrrrreeeee. Dudes just committing war crimes left and right. In a perfect world he’d be held accountable. Unfortunately we don’t live in a perfect world.
Will never believe we’re behind in anything after it was declassified we had stealth technology in like the 60’s and wasn’t revealed until the 80’s. We just don’t flaunt shit bc we live on a **** around and find out basis.
Agreed. Sometimes its not about the vote but who counts the votes.
Apparently no city fell last night according to Ukraine Defense Ministry and Kyiv is still standing. I’m am in awe of the willpower of the Ukrainians. Ministry also says they’ve killed at least 3500 Russian troops. For context we lost 4500 in Iraq in the 8 years we were there and 2400 in Afghanistan for the 20 years we were there. They’ve done all of that in 2 days.
The Missile Defense system in Alaska is one of the most impressive things that comes to mind
The US Navy has a big chunk of the missile defense architecture w/their Aegis cruisers & the “Standard Missile” franchise of defensive / surface to air (and space) munitions — designed to give us three decent shots at a hostile IRBM/ICBM
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God bless the Ukranians. What a courageous people.
I agree with you except for the last statement….. Putin will do what he must to stay in power…. even to the point of canceling / suspending elections.
Putin may have to worry about a domestic coup, though.
I had no idea he was so paranoid about covid. I think it adds to the legitimacy of the claims he has really come unhinged. Apparently, he has almost exclusively been holed up in The Kremlin for two years. Hardly anyone is allowed to be within 40 feet of him, and any outsider coming to him for a meeting are isolated inside The Kremlin for weeks and treated with a host of chemicals.
He may of seriously lost any sense of reality.
I had no idea he was so paranoid about covid. I think it adds to the legitimacy of the claims he has really come unhinged. Apparently, he has almost exclusively been holed up in The Kremlin for two years. Hardly anyone is allowed to be within 40 feet of him, and any outsider coming to him for a meeting are isolated inside The Kremlin for weeks and treated with a host of chemicals.
He may of seriously lost any sense of reality.
Even with our newly woke troops, the US military would wipe the floor with Russia.
Then free countries will have to arm the Ukrainians. There is a limit to how long this can last.
Russia is already in a box. Ukrainians are going to kill a lot of Russians and the only way historically to stop it is to mercilessly strike fear into the citizenry with brutal tactics, but now that everyone has a camera in their pocket that is impossible as you just wind up showing the world the atrocities you are committing.
It won't take long for Putin's internal enemies to rally against him and his obvious paranoia that led him to this last desperate gasp. His days are numbered. Russia is in a debacle and the only fear is what will Putin do when it is clear even to him that he is faced with certain defeat and humiliation in Ukraine? How much more irrational will he become and is he delusional enough to attack a NATO country rather than accept humiliating withdrawal as things are going to get worse every day for him from this point forward.
It won't take long for Putin's internal enemies to rally against him and his obvious paranoia that led him to this last desperate gasp. His days are numbered. Russia is in a debacle and the only fear is what will Putin do when it is clear even to him that he is faced with certain defeat and humiliation in Ukraine? How much more irrational will he become and is he delusional enough to attack a NATO country rather than accept humiliating withdrawal as things are going to get worse every day for him from this point forward.
While I would like to see Ukraine hold on and Putin give up, I just don't see that happening. I hope that is all he wants because if not and he is going for the Baltic states, I believe we will have to eventually get involved.
What is the long-term supply reality? By that I mean the sustainability to produce and continue supplying Europe as well as us going forward.
Lol, Biden admin. Screw ups. Biden wants Zelensky to leave. So they can control the narrative. Zelensky won’t leave. Lol
“I need ammunition, not a ride.”
Those words have longevity, will be quoted and poeted, and will haunt the free world.
Zelensky has risen to the occasion. His "The fight is here. I need ammunition not a ride" quote will live for 1000 years. At this point I don't think Russia can risk killing him. Every which way Russia turns they have bad and worse options and this thing is just getting started. Poland sending in truckloads of ammunition to the Ukrainians will inflame Putin. Could he possibly be foolish enough to lash out in that direction as that is certain decisive defeat unless Putin is willing to use tactical nukes. Russia is so hopelessly outmatched by the US and NATO on the battlefield that it makes Putin's finger on nukes and Chernobyl to be extremely worrying.
The fact that Putin believed the Ukrainians would happily return to Russian subjugation shows he is irrational. The world has to wait and see just how far gone he is and it can't be comforting for world leaders to realize a madman out to rebuild the old Soviet empire is running loose in Europe armed with nuclear weapons.
The fact that Putin believed the Ukrainians would happily return to Russian subjugation shows he is irrational. The world has to wait and see just how far gone he is and it can't be comforting for world leaders to realize a madman out to rebuild the old Soviet empire is running loose in Europe armed with nuclear weapons.
It is almost as if it is a need to ignore the facts because well, he has nothing to look forward to other than more failures from the current admin. He needs to fall back on the lies they were fed during the Trump years.
I certainly don’t want to diminish the bravery of the Ukrainian soldiers and citizenry, but I honestly wonder if the invading Russian soldiers are elite fighting units or just a group of second and third stringers.
No. The only way the rest of the world takes notice is if people refuse defeat. I hope the young people in this country who think socialism is a good form of government are taking notice. Some motivated folk here wanted early to show how imperfect Ukraine is, some seemingly to justify an ambivalence to Putin’s actions, but Ukrainians want to continue to move toward the ideal of the West, not back to tyranny. Would our citizenry have that free or die mentality that we once had?
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