Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

[Bill Cosby]

I wouldn't have done such a thing. His actions caused lots of other problems and put valuable assets around the world at risk. He is a traitor and should be treated as such. As for where to go, considering what he did I guess are enemy is a good choice and shows his character quite clearly.

Obviously you wouldn’t have done it. That’s clear reading this thread. Exercising critical thought and taking a free thinking position that may run counter to the establishment political narrative is not something you’d do.

That said if you can’t name a single other country that would have kept Snowden alive, it’s dumb to say he “chose” Russia rather than defaulted there to stay alive, and use that as a criticism of Greenwald.

 

[SDC888]

Whoever system update is, is an idiot. The only things banned were churches and political parties with close Russian ties. Funny how you and the morons you link always seem to leave that part out.

Oh, it's Greenwald, yes, he's a liar.

Funny how you don't understand that some Ukrainians are pro-Russian, that that is the political opposition in that deeply divided and corrupt "country."

But I'm done with you, not going to engage in some juvenile insult contest you seem to thrive on, not going to just sit here name-callnig you an idiot because you don't know something. You don't know what you don't know: are misinformed and malinformed and not worth my time. You don't know the first thing about who these people are, how/what they thinkg, why they're fighting.

SImple. As. That.

 

[Bill Cosby]

The data collection was ruled illegal, not unconstitutional. You really want some putz at a computer deciding what is and is not acceptable as well as constitutional? That is utterly foolish. I guess you're a big fan of Bradley Manning.

lol Jesus Christ. I can’t get past the stupidity of that first sentence.

 

[SDC888]

Essentially, everyone that is anti-war just must be a liar, just must be some idiot who doesn't understand the necessity of funneling billions of dollars into that most corrupt cuntry in Europe meat-grinder.

 

[vhcat70]

That said if you can’t name a single other country that would have kept Snowden alive, it’s dumb to say he “chose” Russia rather than defaulted there to stay alive, and use that as a criticism of Greenwald.

Belarus. Probably China, NK, Cuba, Nicaragua.

 

[vhcat70]

Funny how you don't understand that some Ukrainians are pro-Russian,

Very few

 

[vhcat70]

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Its a good point. Why do some of you keep listening to people who are consistently proven wrong because they are crafting a narrative instead of reporting facts?

Why couldn't they have been running out & later gotten more? Same can be said for the West.

 

[vhcat70]

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How sure are you that they are the 'good' guys?

Because they haven't invaded another country? Why? It's not at all hard.

 

[hmt5000]

I wouldn't have done such a thing. His actions caused lots of other problems and put valuable assets around the world at risk. He is a traitor and should be treated as such. As for where to go, considering what he did I guess are enemy is a good choice and shows his character quite clearly.

What about the traitors who wiped the arse's with the constitution? Why don't you even give a second to admit they were wrong? It's almost like you think the government is infallible. You do know our country started because the people thought the king was overstepping his authority right? I feel like if you were alive in 1776 you'd of been against independence because we just have to do what they tell us.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Obviously you wouldn’t have done it. That’s clear reading this thread. Exercising critical thought and taking a free thinking position that may run counter to the establishment political narrative is not something you’d do.

That said if you can’t name a single other country that would have kept Snowden alive, it’s dumb to say he “chose” Russia rather than defaulted there to stay alive, and use that as a criticism of Greenwald.

It's equally dumb for you to think not being a traitor and violating espionage laws means someone is devoid of critical thought. Your argument is a giant straw man. Do better. I included Greenwald because low and behold, he's pro Russian and so is Snowden.

 

[hmt5000]

Because they haven't invaded another country? Why? It's not at all hard.

So why was Assad a bad guy?

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

lol Jesus Christ. I can’t get past the stupidity of that first sentence.

Why? Have you read the 9th Circuit opinion? Apparently not.

 

[hmt5000]

lol Jesus Christ. I can’t get past the stupidity of that first sentence.

I swear, at times I think he is trolling us and laughing his ass off as we respond. I almost don't think anyone could have such odd and hypocritical takes.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

lol Jesus Christ. I can’t get past the stupidity of that first sentence.

Now, answer about Bradley Manning.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I swear, at times I think he is trolling us and laughing his ass off as we respond. I almost don't think anyone could have such odd and hypocritical takes.

Nope, how about you, have you read the opinion? It isn't hard to find.

 

[Bill Cosby]

It's equally dumb for you to think not being a traitor and violating espionage laws means someone is devoid of critical thought. Your argument is a giant straw man. Do better. I included Greenwald because low and behold, he's pro Russian and so is Snowden.

Sentence 1 is a weak attempt at a straw man. Sentence 2 incorrectly uses straw man. Do better.

 

[Wildcats1st]

Because they haven't invaded another country? Why? It's not at all hard.

So usa is bad guys for invading Iraq Afghanistan Libya and many more in the last 25 years. Invader bad? Invaded good? Lmao. All you clowns are going to my ignore. There’s no sense reading posts made by loons. I’ve seen enough there you and the McCarthy bunch.

 

[hmt5000]

Nope, how about you, have you read the opinion? It isn't hard to find.

I did years ago. The fact you seem hung up on illegal as opposed to unconstitutional is why we are laffing at you.... because its both. It's unconstitutional for government to search citizens without a warrant. It's illegal for the cia to act domestically against US citizens. Maybe try reading the constitution too.

 

[hmt5000]

Now, answer about Bradley Manning.

Manning isn't even close to the same. He was a traitor. He went outside of his chain of command to hurt the US. Snowden came across info of illegal and unconstitutional acts by our government and was in fear for his life so he fled before giving up the data. The intent in these 2 cases couldn't be more different. Snowden took steps to protect US assets and personnel and Manning didn't do anything to protect anyone.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Why? Have you read the 9th Circuit opinion? Apparently not.

I don’t give a shot if the 9th Circuit didn’t answer the question of constitutionality. Anyone who can exercise an ounce of critical thought knows it is and was unconstitutional.

 

[Bill Cosby]

I’m actually ok with anyone who exposed illegal activity of the US government.

Plus Bradley is Chelsea which is heroic.

If the US government doesn’t want people leaking videos of them killing civilians, they should stop doing it.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Sentence 1 is a weak attempt at a straw man. Sentence 2 incorrectly uses straw man. Do better.

You're wrong but think whatever you like.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I’m actually ok with anyone who exposed illegal activity of the US government.

Plus Bradley is Chelsea which is heroic.

If the US government doesn’t want people leaking videos of them killing civilians, they should stop doing it.

Bradley is Bradley, mental illness doesn't change that. What a shock that you support it.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I don’t give a shot if the 9th Circuit didn’t answer the question of constitutionality. Anyone who can exercise an ounce of critical thought knows it is and was unconstitutional.

Probably but using metadata isn't quite the same as wiretapping. It probably is unconstitutional so I'm curious why a Federal Appeals Court didn't rule that way.

 

[Bill Cosby]

You're wrong but think whatever you like.

Strong argument.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Bradley is Bradley, mental illness doesn't change that. What a shock that you support it.

Well i see we’ve resorted to just arguing against sarcasm.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Probably but using metadata isn't quite the same as wiretapping. It probably is unconstitutional so I'm curious why a Federal Appeals Court didn't rule that way.

Without reading the case, I assume because the activities were not authorized under the law. The government spying like they were was certainly unconstitutional, and no law authorizing them to do so would stand a constitutional challenge, but they weren’t even authorized to do it under any law, so the 9 th circuit didn’t have to answer the question of constitutionality.

 

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[hmt5000]

Without reading the case, I assume because the activities were not authorized under the law. The government spying like they were was certainly unconstitutional, and no law authorizing them to do so would stand a constitutional challenge, but they weren’t even authorized to do it under any law, so the 9 th circuit didn’t have to answer the question of constitutionality.

Which is why he comes off almost as a parody acct at this point.

 

[SDC888]

Very few

No, this is a lie you people want to believe out of ignorance and/or expedience. You (pl.) don't have a clue if you actually believe that, that the majority of the people in SE Ukraine aren't either very much pro-Russian or at the very least largely indifferent to where the border is which corrupt oligarchs rule over them.

They'd much rather just live their lives in peace than have the west wage a proxy war vs Russia in their backyards.

 

[SDC888]

Which is why he comes off almost as a parody acct at this point.

He's no different than what goes on on the political thread. It's nonsense.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Which is why he comes off almost as a parody acct at this point.

Whatever makes you feel better.

 

[hmt5000]

Whatever makes you feel better.

I mean... if being a huge hypocrite makes you feel superior... You are definitely our better.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

No, this is a lie you people want to believe out of ignorance and/or expedience. You (pl.) don't have a clue if you actually believe that, that the majority of the people in SE Ukraine aren't either very much pro-Russian or at the very least largely indifferent to where the border is which corrupt oligarchs rule over them.

They'd much rather just live their lives in peace than have the west wage a proxy war vs Russia in their backyards.

No, you're wrong. https://www.iri.org/news/iri-ukrain...-in-winning-the-war-desire-for-eu-membership/

You'd be wrong in the separatist areas too but huge numbers of Ukrainians left those areas, as you said, they want peace.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I mean... if being a huge hypocrite makes you feel superior... You are definitely our better.

Lol, how am I a hypocrite?

 

[hmt5000]

Lol, how am I a hypocrite?

being on both sides of the same moral question depending on the entity involved. Definition of hypocrite. If I steal, I'm bad. If you steal, you are good because you had your reasons....

 

[SDC888]

No, you're wrong. https://www.iri.org/news/iri-ukrain...-in-winning-the-war-desire-for-eu-membership/

You'd be wrong in the separatist areas too but huge numbers of Ukrainians left those areas, as you said, they want peace.

Well surprise, surprise... you got a link to tell you you are right.

No, your argument (as all of them are) is absurd on its face. You wouldn't need to ban opposition parties, tv stations, Russian Orthodox Christianity and journalism etc., if they weren't influential and only some fringe few.

I'm well aware you will find links in our media supporting your "argument."

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

being on both sides of the same moral question depending on the entity involved. Definition of hypocrite. If I steal, I'm bad. If you steal, you are good because you had your reasons....

Whats the question you're referring to.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Well surprise, surprise... you got a link to tell you you are right.

No, your argument (as all of them are) is absurd on its face. You wouldn't need to ban opposition parties, tv stations and journalism etc., if they weren't influential and only some fringe few.

I'm well aware you will find links in our media supporting your "argument."

Stats at that level are pretty reliable. Maybe you can someone in a chicken suit on twitter to explain how im wrong.

 

[hmt5000]

Kreminna about to fall, which then puts a squeeze on Rubizhne and Severodonetsk. Russians will have to then either abandon the Bakhmut offensive or ship troops in from the south, and they are lacking manpower particularly @ the Zaporizhia Oblast and the 50 km “fortification” they’re building there. 😆

HIMARs slowly but surely getting closer to Crimea.

You think the reports of 100,000 to 130,000 Ukr losses are fake then? Your constant use of the orc slang makes me think you aren't going to accept any peace deal. I wonder why you are so invested in war 12000 miles away from us?