Yanukovych was a traitor to Ukraine, a Russian puppet and they should have hung him from a tree and used him for a pinata. Other than that, you're spot on as usual.
Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions
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Zelensky used his brief encounters with Biden and lawmakers on Wednesday to argue that Ukraine is capable of winning the war outright — something U.S. officials privately say is highly unlikely.
Only way Ukraine/nato can win is to push far into Russia past the Donbas and Crimea. Winning isn’t just pushing the Russians out something that absolutely will not happen.
Your deflections get old. You have yet to articulate any reason for us to support this war. It speaks volumes.
Not every war is existential. Making this comparison shows that this is certainly lost on you.
Never said it was existential, you’re making up things I never said. I’ll just continue laughing at your cabal’s incoherent definition of a war hawk.
All he has done is insults towards anyone who disagrees with his insane war thirst
You go from smartest guy in the room to suddenly unable to understand what you implied? Zelensky isn’t Churchill. This isn’t 1940. They’re not the same.
War hawk: one who wants unnecessary war.
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I read it and need more info. Who said what and when. If Ukraine can't win, stop funding it. I dont trust that anonymous, barely made statement, at all. Ones eyes only need to be open to see that isn't true.
I guess that depends on who has a gun in their face.
I have dozens of non guard customers who are having a similar issue. Trying to tie this to Ukraine and then posting it is why I call you idiots, idiots.Zel needs more money.
So you think Russia can't be pushed out of Donbas? Based on what exactly?
I dont deflect. You never post anything with support or of substance. I've stated repeatedly why we should do this. Would you like me to look up the post numbers tomorrow and prove you, yet again, to be a liar?
Unnecessary? Yes, you're correct, it is unnecessary but Putin changed that. It is now a fight for a nations survival. That may not matter to you in your recliner with a cold beer watching any streaming service you wish to. You're fat and happy, screw the Ukrainians, they're adversely affecting your comfort.
Appreciate the debate, but there you go again. You accuse me of saying it was existential (false), and now accuse me of comparing Zel to Churchill(false). The Churchill analogy was part of a broader point. Pay attention.
None of us in here want war, and it is unnecessary. But your cabal keeps giving the aggressor a pass, and calling all of us war hawks in a made-up warped definition by those of us endorsing self-defense against an imperial country that has violated treaties and agreements.
Anything else you need cleared up?
What kind of customers? In which industry do you work?
If you have a broader point then feel free to share it.
We give nobody a pass. That’s because we know it has nothing to do with us. Not one of you have explained how Russia threatens NATO by slicing off part of Ukraine.
Here, to wit, are your arguments:
-Russia bad. Yes, this would come under the no shit category.
-Ukraine is a democracy. Laughably untrue.
-Ukraine’s independence must be guaranteed. If so, why haven’t we intervened in every spot where sovereignty is threatened? Why just Ukraine?
-Russia is our enemy. Who the hell says that?
-Russia and others will become aggressive elsewhere if we don’t act. If this were true, why haven’t they already? The truth is that we have alliances in place at nearly every crucial area that force any aggressor to risk nuclear war. It’s called deterrence for a reason.
Feel free to tell me which of these is wrong. I won’t hold my breath. In the meantime, we have been encouraging war instead of seeking peace. Any thinking person should understand the implications of this.
2017 will be the year of offense... I wonder what happened to that?
this is how Europe reported on a release of a phone call showing the US state dept was planning on removing the Ukr president and they said who was going to replace him. They laffed at the fact that they plotted a coup. What people like you don't understand is that the rest of world is seeing this stuff and getting tired of it. They are wondering if they are next on the whim of state dept official if they don't do everything we say.
This was the aftermath of a protest in Odessa against the coup. A bunch of nationalist... Showed up and put the leaders in a building and set it on fire. This doesn't get reported in the west but most of the world have heard this story and it's why they don't want to get involved. Calling Ukr an innocent victim is like calling a person who attempted to rape a woman the victim if she shot him.
14,000 dead Ukr after that coup.... they finally had enough and declared independence. Russia recognized it... like we did Kosovo...
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They wanted to keep the navy base in Crimea. They paid tons of money to Ukr to rent that space. They had a contract. The west wanted to push Russia out of the black sea. Not sure how dense you have to be to realize that Russia wasn't going to just lose the base and the $15 billion they had already given ukr for rent.
For starters, I never called Russia “our enemy”. I said it’s a regional threat/challenge to Europe. I’ve been to Russia. Ukraine has been called by many a “teenage democracy” that has some corruption and judicial challenges to work out which hopefully will be resolved in time, yet far better than what the Russians have.
“Slicing off part of Ukraine”? 😆 They want the whole country. Events leading up to now should have easily displayed this unless you truly weren’t paying attention. Putin is the one who broke the Budapest Memorandum, aggressively invaded, and has no interest in peace. NATO arming a bordering non-member to defend its sovereignty is maybe something the invading country should’ve considered before invading, now they are paying the price for being a vastly inferior army, and it will get worse.
Recruiting female prisoners. Yep, you can tell things are going SWELL for the mighty Russian army. They’re just holding back their highly advanced forces for secretive future reasons that will shock us.
There’s no love for the zelensky government in that region. Same as Crimea. Ukraines odds of losing all of Ukraine to the dnipro are far higher than driving the Russians out. Russia has effectively been there since 2014. It’s not happpening Ukraine’s best interest is to negotiate it now rather than risk Russia getting it together and running them killing 100s of thousands. Which is the likeliest mid term outcome. Russia isn’t going to withdraw and watch its ally’s in the eastern region continue to be slaughtered. They will use a nuke before that happens. And at the end of the day that’s the situation we are in. Russia will use nukes before losing the war.
This isn’t a Vietnam or Korea type situation. This is on their doorstep. Their borders. They have no regard for how many people die they view this as a war for their survival.
What do you think you heard? Here is a transcript. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
Maybe you should read it.
So why does Ukraine need our billions if it’s a rock fight?
This is the endgame. An endless slaughter that we are financing, or a desperate decision from the Russians. Absolute stupidity.
Here he goes with nukes again. Russia isn't using nukes in this, it simply isn't happening. He's been claiming the inevitability of nukes from the beginning. Just stop.
Sure. No one has claimed, that I'm aware of, that NATO is threatened by a "slice" of Ukraine being taken. My question is why should we allow Russia to do this to a sovereign nation?
Ukraine is a democracy. They haven't matured yet but international observers have said their elections, at least since 2014, have been reasonably fair.
Putin is trying to build his legacy. He wants as much of the USSR put back together as possible. It isn't that Russia must be stopped based on a single issue but in the aggregate. Putin wants land and resources. Read that as more power. Ukraine wants to partner with Europe and the West. The Ukrainian people don't want Russia controlling their country. There are myriad reasons why we should support Ukraine in this.
There seem to be a lot of Red Amerikans in this thread. Has anyone asked them why they’re still living in the US?
It’s very easy to emigrate to Russia. They have everything an alt-right white man could want. Well, except the freedom to have as many guns as you want. Russia has very tight restrictions on who owns guns and what type of guns you can own. Dictators don’t want the common man to rise up, I suppose.
They are seeking closer relations with China as protection from Putin’s tyranny. China has warned Russian that they won’t allow invasion of the central Asian nations. The invasion of Ukraine is costing Russia much, much more than the tens of thousands of troop losses, the precedent-setting sanctions and the degradation of their military.
It’s very easy to emigrate to Russia. They have everything an alt-right white man could want. Well, except the freedom to have as many guns as you want. Russia has very tight restrictions on who owns guns and what type of guns you can own. Dictators don’t want the common man to rise up, I suppose.
None of the former USSR countries want to be aligned with Russia now. Even the people of Belarus staged massive protests when Lukashenko decided he wanted to be “President for life” like his mentor Putin. The nations of the Collective Security Treaty Organization have turned on Putin after Ukraine’s exposure of a weak Russian military.
They are seeking closer relations with China as protection from Putin’s tyranny. China has warned Russian that they won’t allow invasion of the central Asian nations. The invasion of Ukraine is costing Russia much, much more than the tens of thousands of troop losses, the precedent-setting sanctions and the degradation of their military.
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You sound like Joseph McCarthy. While you’re at it why don’t you round up all the people trying to prevent all out war and put them in concentration camps like your fdr hero? I mean that’s a biden play. Again you live in another world man you want to suppress speech with your lies. Buena suerte
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