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Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

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What do you mean by "their" territory? There is no question that Donbas belongs to Ukraine no matter how much Putin kicks, screams and supports separatists who are nothing more than terrorists.

Now, on to your other assertion, Russia is losing ground constantly. Their soldiers don't want to be there, they are poorly equipped and Russia is running low on pretty much everything their military needs. I think you are stuck on Russia supposedly being a super power. They have proven they are only a super power in regards to nuclear weapons and as poorly as their weapons have performed, I'm not too sure about that either.

They have a weak, antiquated and demoralized military. So long as we provide enough support, Russia will be forced out of Ukraine. I don't think that is debatable any longer. The interesting issue is what becomes of Crimea. I still think that will be the bargaining chip to end this mess.
How much? How many billions will you think it’ll take? How long before the US citizen gets tired of sending billions there?
 
You can read.


I’m not the one making the assertion. Should be fairly easy for you to save everyone here the time and quote the relevant data from your links you are saying supports your assertion.

Refusing to quote data, and just posting random links, leaves everyone to think you can’t actually support the assertions you are making.
 
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Before Zelensky, Ukraine was a puppet state of Russia, almost identical to Belarus. Putin and his minions are discovering that the people of Ukraine don’t want to be part of Russia. Zelensky is leading them in their fight to be free from Putin’s dictatorship.
This is patently false and shows you have zero command of the facts.
 
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I'd bet the farm against Ukraine winning back their territory, absent something significant occurring like Russian governmental and societal collapse from within, or more substantial direct NATO involvement.

This actually ends one of two ways, the battlefield simply gets exhausted over (significant) time where after suffering innumerable casualties, they both finally settle down to peace talks.

Or we step in and stop it, triggering a war of unimaginable consequence.
Russia will lose 10 million soldiers before they lose this war. By then though they will have taken all of Ukraine.
 
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But only like $3 million of that would have made its way back to Hunter. Being able to funnel a large portion of the $100b back to US politicians and their donors is well worth thousands of dead Ukrainians and Russians.
Exactly! Ukraine is an end around for our politicians to continue to get their big pay days.
 
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Where is the evidence for such a strong opinion?

Ukraine is literally in survival mode. They have a warrior President who Putin wants dead.

Zelensky is the embodiment of Ukraine’s struggle to fend off absorption into the New Soviet Union that Putin dreams of creating. Last night’s address to Congress showed his loyalty to Ukraine’s people.

No amount of negative propaganda and lies will convince the Ukrainian people or Ukraine’s western allies that Zelensky is anything but a patriot who wants his nation to be free from Russian tyranny.
So why did he ban parties and journalist before the invasion? How come he ran on stopping the violence in the Donbas and after he was elected, he said "I can't do anything about Azov"...? How come he said he was worth about $20 million dollars, but the Panama Papers and Pandora Papers leaks show him to be worth close to $600 million?
 
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The US has frozen $300 billion in Russian assets. The EU has frozen more than that. It can be said that Russia is funding Ukraine’s resistance to their aggression and the reconstruction of the country after Ukraine defeats Russia.

It’s equally fascinating to see so much support for another Russian dictator who wants to bring back the Soviet Union. Also, a bit disturbing.
Not wanting to support Ukraine isn't being pro Russian. The fact that people who support war keep making this 'mistake' shows how little they know. Our congress was flying a Ukraine flag at the capitol. I remember when that would of been seen as traitorish... Now we have to put Ukraine ahead of America or Americans.
 
Not wanting to support Ukraine isn't being pro Russian. The fact that people who support war keep making this 'mistake' shows how little they know. Our congress was flying a Ukraine flag at the capitol. I remember when that would of been seen as traitorish... Now we have to put Ukraine ahead of America or Americans.

Agreed. The ol George Dubya Bush tactic (a war mongering globalist)

“If you aren’t for us, you’re against us”

Then all the war hawks got together and had gay love making in a big sleeping bag.
 
The magic wand was the threat of the US intervening militarily. Putin knew Biden wouldn’t.

All that POS Zelly would've had to do was declare neutrality. Instead, he increased his shelling of Donbas in the days leading up to the invasion.

There was no money in peace, no "solution" to his terrible polling and stupid civil war.
 
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Not wanting to support Ukraine isn't being pro Russian. The fact that people who support war keep making this 'mistake' shows how little they know. Our congress was flying a Ukraine flag at the capitol. I remember when that would of been seen as traitorish... Now we have to put Ukraine ahead of America or Americans.
A distinction without a difference in effect.
 
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So why did he ban parties and journalist before the invasion? How come he ran on stopping the violence in the Donbas and after he was elected, he said "I can't do anything about Azov"...? How come he said he was worth about $20 million dollars, but the Panama Papers and Pandora Papers leaks show him to be worth close to $600 million?
You realize you just reposted utter garbage, right? The papers say no such thing, gossipers on social media made the claim which is unsubstantiated. You're welcome to prove me wrong.

He did not ban any parties before the invasion.

You'll need to show me where he banned journalists but I will agree that under martial law, he has taken many steps to limit Russia's power within Ukraine.

As for his election promises, compared to our liars, he seems to be doing pretty well over all. https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-po...g-status-of-presidents-campaign-promises.html


Perhaps you'd like to be a bit more honest in your posts.
 
All that POS Zelly would've had to do was declare neutrality. Instead, he increased his shelling of Donbas in the days leading up to the invasion.

There was no money in peace, no "solution" to his terrible polling and stupid civil war.
Hahaha, you're on drugs. The issue came from Putin, not Zelensky, wake the hell up.
 
Your hate of America is fascinating.

America does not want anything to do with Ukraine. Except Globalists, hipsters, cat moms, and war hawks suck as yourself. Kudos!

Make no mistake, part of it is indeed war lust, a "self-righteous" hatred and bigotry, to see the "evil" people suffer.

It's disgusting.

Let them fight their own civil war on their own terms and with their own resources. They're both evil.
 
No one would, are you asserting that Trump would have threatened boots on the ground?
Yes, or a bombing run on Moscow, or start air patrols in Ukraine, or send a Naval battle group into the Black Sea, or just about anything that was the opposite of what Biden did.
Even if it’s a bluff Putin couldn’t be sure, but he knew exactly what Biden would do.
 
Your hate of America is fascinating.

America does not want anything to do with Ukraine. Except Globalists, hipsters, cat moms, and war hawks suck as yourself. Kudos!
Another of your nonsensical straw man arguments. You are the biggest conspiracy theorist and clown on this entire board.
 
Yes, or a bombing run on Moscow, or start air patrols in Ukraine, or send a Naval battle group into the Black Sea, or just about anything that was the opposite of what Biden did.
Even if it’s a bluff Putin couldn’t be sure, but he knew exactly what Biden would do.
Lol, but you think what we're doing now is more likely to cause WWIII. I'm beginning to think you're mind has some issues.
 
Make no mistake, part of it is indeed war lust, a "self-righteous" hatred and bigotry, to see the "evil" people suffer.

It's disgusting.

Let them fight their own civil war on their own terms and with their own resources. They're both evil.
Oh the irony.
 
So $100B couldn't be of better use in America for Americans? It's better spent going to a BS proxy war so it can be laundered through elites?
Legitimate complaint. Still waiting on proof on all of this money laundering. When are one of you Zelensky haters going to provide it? *

*Edit: I have no doubt of all of the DC swamp corruption, I just want to see some proof.
 
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Legitimate complaint. Still waiting on proof on all of this money laundering. When are one of you Zelensky haters going to provide it? *

*Edit: I have no doubt of all of the DC swamp corruption, I just want to see some proof.
Why are the people voting for the Ukraine money not allowing full audit of every dollar?

If you’re not outraged at that, then you are just as guilty as Zelensky and BigBlueFanGa.

Btw, BIgBlueFanGa was the first in the sleeping bag.
 
Lol, but you think what we're doing now is more likely to cause WWIII. I'm beginning to think you're mind has some issues.
Yes, I do. The object is to prevent conflict from starting, once it starts it can spiral out of control, and we’re becoming more and more committed every time we send billions more in aid.
There comes a point where we can’t afford to let Ukraine lose, and we are reaching that point.
 
No it’s not Russian propaganda. Your post is George Soros/Globalist propaganda.

The “Russian propaganda” Schtick is over. No one is buying it except America haters
guy couldn't be more wrong in his assessment, ofcourse, couldn't have missed the mark by a wider margin
 
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