You really make it too easy, it's laughable. I guess in your twisted thinking Russia had to destroy Mariupol in order to save it.
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You really make it too easy, it's laughable. I guess in your twisted thinking Russia had to destroy Mariupol in order to save it.
Rock between the eyes:
"For the first time since the war started people are beginning to consider the worst-case scenario, that Russia can lose, and they don’t see and don’t understand how Russia can get out from this conflict without being destroyed. People are very anxious, they believe that what is going on is a disaster,” she said Monday."
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"For the first time since the war started people are beginning to consider the worst-case scenario, that Russia can lose, and they don’t see and don’t understand how Russia can get out from this conflict without being destroyed. People are very anxious, they believe that what is going on is a disaster,” she said Monday."
'Losing is not an option': Putin is 'desperate' to avoid defeat in Ukraine as anxiety rises in Moscow
Moscow faces what's likely to be months more fighting, military losses and potential defeat.
So paying over 4x for electric isn't having an effect on German industry?
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/07/energy/german-industry-energy-prices
Germany is bracing itself for a rough winter as soaring energy prices threaten to leave permanent scars on its manufacturing sector, a key engine of its economy.
Industrial production fell by 0.8% in August from the month before, according preliminary data released by the country’s statistics office on Friday. Supply chain bottlenecks caused by the coronavirus crisis and the war in Ukraine continue to weigh on producers, the office said.
But energy-intensive sectors, which include chemicals, glass and metals producers, fared even worse, slumping by more than 2% from July.
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Carsten Brzeski, chief economist at ING Germany, said in a Friday note that an economic contraction was “inevitable” while energy prices remain eye-wateringly high.
“We don’t need a crystal ball to see a further weakening of German industry in the coming months. The full impact of higher energy prices will only be felt in the last months of the year,” he said.
Energy prices started rising last fall, and then shot even higher when Russia invaded Ukraine in late February, sparking an energy standoff between Europe and Moscow.
He didn't ask for 1T dollars. Your Ukraine hate has disengaged your brain.
Aka, yes, I made it up and you caught me so my only way out is to demand you find my nonexistent source. ^^^^ You really do have issues.
You really need to sit back and reflect on your hate of Ukraine. Maybe you can be honest and say why you hate them so much. That would be better than posting nonsense from a nobody you happen to agree with.
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Oh no Sunshine, you aren't getting away with that. You said "gutting" and Germanys industrial base has not been gutted. Are their margins as high? No, I'm sure they aren't but they are hiring like crazy.
So paying over 4x for electric isn't having an effect on German industry?
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/07/energy/german-industry-energy-prices
Germany is bracing itself for a rough winter as soaring energy prices threaten to leave permanent scars on its manufacturing sector, a key engine of its economy.
Industrial production fell by 0.8% in August from the month before, according preliminary data released by the country’s statistics office on Friday. Supply chain bottlenecks caused by the coronavirus crisis and the war in Ukraine continue to weigh on producers, the office said.
But energy-intensive sectors, which include chemicals, glass and metals producers, fared even worse, slumping by more than 2% from July.
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Carsten Brzeski, chief economist at ING Germany, said in a Friday note that an economic contraction was “inevitable” while energy prices remain eye-wateringly high.
“We don’t need a crystal ball to see a further weakening of German industry in the coming months. The full impact of higher energy prices will only be felt in the last months of the year,” he said.
Energy prices started rising last fall, and then shot even higher when Russia invaded Ukraine in late February, sparking an energy standoff between Europe and Moscow.
4X? It was 300+ in Dec '21 before the war was in sight & now it's 450. Explain how that's 4X?
So paying over 4x for electric isn't having an effect on German industry?
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/07/energy/german-industry-energy-prices
Germany is bracing itself for a rough winter as soaring energy prices threaten to leave permanent scars on its manufacturing sector, a key engine of its economy.
Industrial production fell by 0.8% in August from the month before, according preliminary data released by the country’s statistics office on Friday. Supply chain bottlenecks caused by the coronavirus crisis and the war in Ukraine continue to weigh on producers, the office said.
But energy-intensive sectors, which include chemicals, glass and metals producers, fared even worse, slumping by more than 2% from July.
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Carsten Brzeski, chief economist at ING Germany, said in a Friday note that an economic contraction was “inevitable” while energy prices remain eye-wateringly high.
“We don’t need a crystal ball to see a further weakening of German industry in the coming months. The full impact of higher energy prices will only be felt in the last months of the year,” he said.
Energy prices started rising last fall, and then shot even higher when Russia invaded Ukraine in late February, sparking an energy standoff between Europe and Moscow.
200,000 casualties split evening amongst both sides are the recent estimates...how many more? Nobody is going to "win" this thing - the way this has played out is probably worst case scenario as far as minimalizing death.
EU person said 100,000 Ukrainians "killed" in a prepared speech - only to frantically walk it back and censor the videos they could.
EU person said 100,000 Ukrainians "killed" in a prepared speech - only to frantically walk it back and censor the videos they could.
He doesn't know. None of them know other than it's the maga macro thing to do for political points.
We aren't allowed to say it though. People like vhcat want to think Ukraine has lost more women and children than soldiers in the fighting. I helps he justify sending more weapons over there to keep the dying going. Propaganda is used because its effective.
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-russia-von-der-leyen-death-toll-1763553
Ukraine has hit back at a claim by the European Commission's president that 100,000 of Kyiv's troops have been killed since Russia's invasion in February
Ursula von der Leyen used the number in a video address, prompting Kyiv's armed forces to state that the death toll was "classified information." Footage of her speech has since been edited to cut the reference.
In Russia, the state-owned news agency Tass was among the media outlets to seize on the high figure and to say the European Commission had "removed information about 100,000 dead Ukrainian servicemen."
Compare June to June and Sept to Sept chief. Now tell me what you think Dec is going to look like!
This is a pointless war that has no bearing on US interests.
Is that a political point? Is it too hard for you to comprehend?
Try reading this. He has far more expertise in this area than any of us.
Russia, Ukraine can’t negotiate their way out of war. One side has to lose | Guest Opinion
The choice is between a bloody war and an equally bloody peace, Johns Hopkins professor says.
That simply isn't true. To say you're being naive is a gross understatement.
I'm beginning to think you're just retarded and can't help it.
Same thing I think about you. Definitely mutual thoughts here.
Is that the same excuse Obama used when Ovama used the CIA to overthrow the Ukraine govt in 2014?
This war would be over without our involvement. What has been gained and at what long term cost?
Nada.
Really, I don't make things up, you do. It's pretty ridiculous on your part. Yeah, nazi's and the war is Zelensky's fault and on and on. You're like a reverse garbage can. You never, because you can't, support your inane posts with anything.
You mean the full takeover and brutalization of Ukraine would be over. You'd feel pretty good about that.
I’ve asked multiple times what strategic American interests are threatened by Russia’s action. Nobody can answer. You won’t this time, either.
I’d feel pretty good if Ukraine took over and brutalized Russia. Either way there’d be stability.
You’ve allowed yourself to become a cheerleader.
Actually, you make up a lot of bullshit. It’s amazing how the shit you say ends up being the same shit CNN tells us.
Shocking…
Apparently you watch it. I have no idea what they say and don't care. I can support my positions and do so repeatedly. You whine about Hitler dna as if that matters. You're a whack job conspiracy theorist who buddies up to Russian propaganda because you hate Ukraine for some reason. Congrats, you're nuts.
Hitler has Jewish DNA. Not disputable. But keep repeating the fake news.
The other stuff. You parrot everything MSM. Everything. You are the 1990s version of the stupid Iraq war supporter. Bush/Obama/Biden same company. You support it all
Not disputable? What are you smoking? His grandfather is unknown. That means Hitler could have had 25% Jewish blood but the odds are very low that his unknown grandfather was Jewish. That said, who gives a damn? Your inference is that would make Hitler a jew, therefore a nazi can be a jew therefore Zelensky can be a nazi.
You're bordering on insanity with that drivel.
I did some reading on your CIA coup in 2014, you're probably correct. I see that Oliver Stone absolutely thinks that happened and who am I to doubt him, he's a genius.
I see you and the pedophilia supporting Jameslee both agree on Ukraine. Hmmm..
Uncle Sam (Rothschilds) needs your support!!
This dude seems to be calling them like he see's it. He was predicting Ukraine taking Kherson and Lyman before it happened. Not sure if he's Ukrainian or Russian but he's been pretty spot on with analysis and seems to know the area including topography. Worth a watch if you want an idea of what has been going on in Bakhmut and what is likely coming.
The Bakhmut offensive utilizing human wave attacks has to be one of the most mind-boggling strategies for the Orcs I’ve ever seen, and that’s saying something. I’ve asked this before but why do they want Bakhmut so bad? What’s there? Wagner Nazis get a big payout as a reward?
Even the mighty Wagner Nazis have made minimal gains, the costs for the Orcs have been staggering but we all know they place little value in human life.
Obviously, you will disagree but reports on the ground have Ukraine losing 300+ soldiers per day in that area. Uk is already pulling people from Kherson and the north front to hold that area. Nato is also telling Uk to cut artillery use from 5000 shells/day to closer to 2000/day. It appears that Wagner was willing to take losses to absolutely bleed Uk there. They are starting to receive tons of reinforcements from the regular army esp a bunch that pulled out of Kherson.
If you think Russia is about to run out of rockets and shells then you think this is a horrible move. If you think Russia still has a bunch of artillery and rockets then this is a good move.... The side that knows how much ammo they have left are still shelling the shit out of the area so your guess is as good as mine.
Guess you haven’t seen Sarajevo lately, it’s now a shining city on a hill. Bosnian Serbs shelled the hell out of the city & reduced it to rubble for their own good!You really make it too easy, it's laughable. I guess in your twisted thinking Russia had to destroy Mariupol in order to save it.
I have answered. There are myriad reasons.
1. Allowing Russia to conquer a sovereign country only encourages him to continue.
2. If he were to continue a much larger war gets more and more likely.
3. It is in our interest to keep Europe safe and calm - Ukraine has lots of ties to Europe.
4. International law is being tested and Russia can't be allowed to do as it wishes.
5. Ukraine can become an important partner to the US. It has lots of untapped resources like titanium.
6. At some point, basic human rights need to be upheld. Yes, I realize we tend to pick and choose on those.
Shelling alone won't get this done and other than that, Russia doesn't have much. They are ill prepared for the trench warfare they are now getting into. We'll see what happens. The German Chancellor said today that Russia isn't capable of winning the war on the battlefield. Russia has major problems even if they do win the occasional battle.
I wonder if Poland will want payment for the troops and weapons they sent to Ukraine? Parts of Ukraine used to be Poland before ww2.
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