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Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

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Kherson will be liberated soon, maybe in a week or two, imo. That opens up a corridor to move troops/supplies to Mariupol and the south as Putin’s forces retreat to the Donbas.

Honestly don’t know if Putin wanted ALL of Ukraine, probably does. But his Alamo is the Donbas, and the equally important warm-water ports in the Azov/Black seas.

More strikes in Belgorod, please 🍿.
 
Kherson will be liberated soon, maybe in a week or two, imo. That opens up a corridor to move troops/supplies to Mariupol and the south as Putin’s forces retreat to the Donbas.

Honestly don’t know if Putin wanted ALL of Ukraine, probably does. But his Alamo is the Donbas, and the equally important warm-water ports in the Azov/Black seas.

More strikes in Belgorod, please 🍿.
Hope u're rite on Kh. Wear did u get that info? Long ways from there to Mpl though.

More important is to cut off Crimea's water supply again. Gassy was so relieved when Crimea got water.

Of course Putin won't be satisfied till he has all of U regardless of what he says. Then he'll move on the rest of Europe all the way to Portugal.
 
it's contradictory to say on one hand we need to just take care of ourselves but that goes out the window if Europe is attacked. How are we more capable just because Europe is attacked?

Drug cartels are killing defenseless civilians. They have more to fear than Ukrainians that are leaving do.

Thanks for the defining the number of Nazis in Ukraine.
Not contradictory. If NATO (meant to post NATO) is attacked, we are bound by NATO agreement to defend but, I think you knew that but were just being disingenuous. We are not bound to Ukraine and should not be involved.

Do not know how many Nazi's are in Ukraine, simply stating from the videos and articles I have seen I believe there are more than the little group some here are saying.

As far as drug cartels, that should be on the country they live and do their business in. But just for clarity sake, tell me how many refugees (illegals) can we take in before it becomes too many for us monetarily. We already can't take care of our own yet you seem to think we can take more. This year alone (if not mistaken) we already have near a million who have crossed the border with more pouring in everyday. Where are you going to put them and where is the money coming from to support them?
 
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Hope u're rite on Kh. Wear did u get that info? Long ways from there to Mpl though.

More important is to cut off Crimea's water supply again. Gassy was so relieved when Crimea got water.

Of course Putin won't be satisfied till he has all of U regardless of what he says. Then he'll move on the rest of Europe all the way to Portugal.
He'll certainly try to take back any former Soviet states who are not NATO members.
 
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Not contradictory. If NATO (meant to post NATO) is attacked, we are bound by NATO agreement to defend but, I think you knew that but were just being disingenuous. We are not bound to Ukraine and should not be involved.

Do not know how many Nazi's are in Ukraine, simply stating from the videos and articles I have seen I believe there are more than the little group some here are saying.

As far as drug cartels, that should be on the country they live and do their business in. But just for clarity sake, tell me how many refugees (illegals) can we take in before it becomes too many for us monetarily. We already can't take care of our own yet you seem to think we can take more. This year alone (if not mistaken) we already have near a million who have crossed the border with more pouring in everyday. Where are you going to put them and where is the money coming from to support them?
You started with saying adjoining countries need to deal with Ukraine more so than US does. BS. I'm just using analogy for US border. We agree that USA shouldn't have to take more refugees in. But then why does Poland need to just because they have to be close?

So how many videos/articles have you seen on U Nazis that tell you there's a lot of them there, or whatever more than "a little group" means? How do those allow you count? How do you know they're not the same group at different times or from different angles? You're FOS.
 
Magyars and Bulgars are two entirely distinct peoples, different ethnicity and language.

Ukrainians and Russians are the same people, speaking a dialect of the same language. They have a shared history and culture.

Our media and politicians left/right/center all want war. It's not our war. It's just not our problem to fix militarily; has nothing to do with whether or not the invasion was just or not. It obviously wasn't.



And then this is another thing - 3 months ago you people couldn't name 3 Ukrainian cities if your lives depended on it. Now you're suddenly experts on Eastern European history and all things Russia/NATO after spending time on your google machines and watching TV talking-heads tell you what you wanted to hear, quick to call anyone who disagrees with what you've "concluded" over the last few weeks dumb.

The logic is very simple, if Russia's current goal was to take the whole of Ukraine, and they are struggling to do so against an inferior and less equipped opposition, then they would find actual NATO forces in Poland/Romania/Baltics inconceivably difficult to contend with, entirely insurmountable after expending so many troops and resources in Ukraine.

If the purpose of NATO was to defend Europe from Russian imperialism, but it's own expansion and dealings with a nonmember in Ukraine unnecessarily brings the US into direct conflict with Russia through the bumbling actions of our exceedingly incompetent politicians, then yes, it has not only outlived its usefulness, but become completely counterproductive, achieving nothing but the exact opposite of what it was designed.
Excellent.
 
You started with saying adjoining countries need to deal with Ukraine more so than US does. BS. I'm just using analogy for US border. We agree that USA shouldn't have to take more refugees in. But then why does Poland need to just because they have to be close?

So how many videos/articles have you seen on U Nazis that tell you there's a lot of them there, or whatever more than "a little group" means? How do those allow you count? How do you know they're not the same group at different times or from different angles? You're FOS.
I have read a few articles and seen videos such as demonstrations, soccer games, and other venues where the salute to Naziism was used. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out. And you're a POS.

One such article. There are many more. Get over yourself.

 
I have read a few articles and seen videos such as demonstrations, soccer games, and other venues where the salute to Naziism was used. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out. And you're a POS.

One such article. There are many more. Get over yourself.

Once more you offer no numbers to back yup your claims.
 
Hope u're rite on Kh. Wear did u get that info? Long ways from there to Mpl though.

More important is to cut off Crimea's water supply again. Gassy was so relieved when Crimea got water.

Of course Putin won't be satisfied till he has all of U regardless of what he says. Then he'll move on the rest of Europe all the way to Portugal.
It’s about 235 miles by air. Various war reporters on Twitter, UA forces situated on Kherson’s outskirts right now. Only a matter of time.
 
I have read a few articles and seen videos such as demonstrations, soccer games, and other venues where the salute to Naziism was used. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out. And you're a POS.

One such article. There are many more. Get over yourself.

That article says nothing and is factually incorrect about Svoboda. It expelled it's neo-nazi members. Jews were under no threat in Ukraine, lately anyway, until Putin started blasting away. Most countries seem to have a few of these neo-nazi morons. Try not to make a mountain out of a mole hill. You may want to do a bit more research before you start calling people a POS. The stink may come back to haunt you.
 
That article says nothing and is factually incorrect about Svoboda. It expelled it's neo-nazi members. Jews were under no threat in Ukraine, lately anyway, until Putin started blasting away. Most countries seem to have a few of these neo-nazi morons. Try not to make a mountain out of a mole hill. You may want to do a bit more research before you start calling people a POS. The stink may come back to haunt you.
What was factually incorrect about his point on Svoboda?

"Far-right groups have also gained political currency in the past decade, none more chilling than Svoboda (formerly the Social National Party of Ukraine), whose leader claimed the country was controlled by a “Muscovite-Jewish mafia” and whose deputy used an antisemitic slur to describe Ukrainian-born Jewish actor Mila Kunis. Svoboda has sent several members to Ukraine’s Parliament, including one who called the Holocaust a “bright period” in human history, according to Foreign Policy."

It was when Tyahnybok was elected president of the party when they expelled neofascist groups from his party, however it never abandoned ethnic ultranationalist views.

Yes, this article is an opinion piece but so is much of the info on Ukraine's Neo Nazi party and the article still slams Putin for false claims of using the Nazi threat as one of the reasons he invaded.

As far as name calling, when someone calls me FOS based one their opinion of a situation or point I tend to shoot back.
 
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What was factually incorrect about his point on Svoboda?

"Far-right groups have also gained political currency in the past decade, none more chilling than Svoboda (formerly the Social National Party of Ukraine), whose leader claimed the country was controlled by a “Muscovite-Jewish mafia” and whose deputy used an antisemitic slur to describe Ukrainian-born Jewish actor Mila Kunis. Svoboda has sent several members to Ukraine’s Parliament, including one who called the Holocaust a “bright period” in human history, according to Foreign Policy."

It was when Tyahnybok was elected president of the party when they expelled neofascist groups from his party, however it never abandoned ethnic ultranationalist views.

Yes, this article is an opinion piece but so is much of the info on Ukraine's Neo Nazi party and the article still slams Putin for false claims of using the Nazi threat as one of the reasons he invaded.

As far as name calling, when someone calls me FOS based one their opinion of a situation or point I tend to shoot back.
He said Svoboda had neo-nazi's. What you posted clearly says they were kicked out of the party. The rest of the article had little bearing on anything.
 
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The Paddock: Russia just wants to liberate children.

Reader: By killing them?

The Paddock: You read too much propaganda.

Reader: wut


Reuters is legit. One of the few objective reporting outlets in the world.
I have read a few articles and seen videos such as demonstrations, soccer games, and other venues where the salute to Naziism was used. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out. And you're a POS.

One such article. There are many more. Get over yourself.

You posted something from a decent source. Props. Still does’t make Russia bombing maternity wards okay. They are still the bad guys.
 
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What was factually incorrect about his point on Svoboda?

"Far-right groups have also gained political currency in the past decade, none more chilling than Svoboda (formerly the Social National Party of Ukraine), whose leader claimed the country was controlled by a “Muscovite-Jewish mafia” and whose deputy used an antisemitic slur to describe Ukrainian-born Jewish actor Mila Kunis. Svoboda has sent several members to Ukraine’s Parliament, including one who called the Holocaust a “bright period” in human history, according to Foreign Policy."

It was when Tyahnybok was elected president of the party when they expelled neofascist groups from his party, however it never abandoned ethnic ultranationalist views.

Yes, this article is an opinion piece but so is much of the info on Ukraine's Neo Nazi party and the article still slams Putin for false claims of using the Nazi threat as one of the reasons he invaded.

As far as name calling, when someone calls me FOS based one their opinion of a situation or point I tend to shoot back.
And Todd Svoboda has what to do with this, exactly! Leave my favorite walk- on of all-time alone!
 
And Todd Svoboda has what to do with this, exactly! Leave my favorite walk- on of all-time alone!
OK choice but, my favorite walk-on is Ravi Moss. Actually, he is my second favorite player of all at UK. Reason? When he took the floor, he gave it all every time he hit the floor with a big smile on his face. He was always happy when sitting on the bench about just being there.

Now back to our regularly scheduled bickering as to why we should or should not be involved in this war.
 
OK choice but, my favorite walk-on is Ravi Moss. Actually, he is my second favorite player of all at UK. Reason? When he took the floor, he gave it all every time he hit the floor with a big smile on his face. He was always happy when sitting on the bench about just being there.

Now back to our regularly scheduled bickering as to why we should or should not be involved in this war.
Ravi and I are the same age. Cool guy.
 
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Yeah, it’s us and the other 99% of the world that think Russia’s in the wrong, not you and warrior-cat.

I never said Russia was in the right, nor did I even remotely imply it in any shape or form.

You people simply don't grasp what's going on here on even the most rudimentary level; that total inability to even process why some of minority of us are so anti-war is indicative of that.
 
I never said Russia was in the right, nor did I even remotely imply it in any shape or form.

You people simply don't grasp what's going on here on even the most rudimentary level; that total inability to even process why some of minority of us are so anti-war is indicative of that.
Then please enlighten us, the useful idiots.
 
Actually, BBFA I would prefer not to spend any money in this war either. Does that make me a bad guy in your eyes?

If so, I can live with that.
 
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Zelensky places the allies who urge him to fight on and – in his words – who “don’t mind a long war because it would exhaust Russia, even if this means the demise of Ukraine and comes at the cost of Ukrainian lives”.

This group now contains a surprising number of Brits and Americans. As one senior diplomat puts it: “If you look at all the options, our strategic interest is probably best served in a long war, a quagmire that drains him militarily and economically so he cannot do this again.” There isn’t much optimism in London about the prospects of regime change in Moscow. If Putin loses in Ukraine, he may well be deposed (even autocrats tend not to survive such humiliations) but the consensus in Whitehall is that he’d probably be replaced by someone worse.

 
You posted something from a decent source. Props. Still does’t make Russia bombing maternity wards okay. They are still the bad guys.
The rubes are going out of their way cheering on the bad guys, wanting this war escalated. This after beating the Endless Wars drum for 7 years. Didn't take very long at all for that neocon muscle memory to re-emerge.
 
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