Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions
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They’ve been wrong about everything for so long that you can only laugh and hope nobody in this administration is stupid enough to listen.
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I see a pyrrhic victory reference!!
It’s actually a little rush for me - cool ref, man
Im not THAT big a nerd actually — but i AM - the best Dungeon Master any D&D player ever weaved a tale with (2ndEdit only please)
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Have you ever hit a lull and thought you lost the passion for reading?
life events maybe naturally displacing established habits or whatever
Biographies - i’ve read maybe 6-7
Winston Churchill’s was maybe the best
Sybil Bedfords 700pg Bio on Aldous Huxley was very good - but i read almost everything he did
Frederick the Great - a very Prussian conveyed piece - it was painful to read but insightful to understand pre-Germany — roots
Colon Powell — ah crap man - i think it’s “my american journey” maybe? Absolutely awesome — actually made Army career progression interesting
Tony Iommi - Ironman !!!!
The only person who’s autograph i sought and have - SOUNDS like he speaks — dude did a LOT more scante than i imagined
Shotgun questions and responses.
Centre College, Central Kentucky beef (used to be beef/tobacco), Government Major, History Minor, then U.K. Law School.
Cycles in the economy are common. In human affairs, somewhat, but I do believe there is an inevitable tilt toward freedom, and we’ve ridden that inevitability for Centuries without cycling back.
Thank you! You are putting to words what I have been trying to get through to folks here. We are doing fine. The conservative turn towards authoritarianism in the US has baffled me. We have too many people focused on their dang screens and not looking at the world they actually reside in. Maybe it's pandemic stress or whatever, but America is largely working beautifully. We have mostly free markets, we have amazing prosperity and opportunity, people here are free to do almost anything that doesn't hurt anyone else. Why do we complain so much about each other because we take that freedom and want to do something different with it. I love my church, but I understand the same freedom I have to walk in that building is the same freedom someone else has to change their gender. You can't espouse freedom and then bemoan what others do with it. It doesn't work that way.
False. The fact that you and he believe this only proves that if you did have a formal education, it did not take or it was more in line with basket weaving 101 than actual world knowledge.
It is amazing that the very week they are digging out bodies missing ears from being tortured by fellow Europeans in Ukraine, the discussion on a thread about that war turned to the world’s moral judgment of the U.S., and the imminent collapse of the U.S. Not all of this came from Russian shills, either, though Warrior Poet likely does not have an American zip code.
I’m considering trying a book on the subject of America’s persistent fascination/paranoia with its own decline/apocalypse, that I suspect started about 5 minutes after the signatures were dry on the Declaration and Constitution.
i like your unrepentant optimism there - seriously
that’s a good example of the kind of stuff that 99% of all regular citizens** can build on -
** if you aren’t a bank owner , major corporate executive, MIC Chief Whore or one of our esteemed Professional Political Class specimen.....then i’m generally considering y’all “normal ppl”
Damn-Cap’n ...:that’s just honey sweet ear candy that you can haphazardly smear across the chest .....feel me?
I hate to be the bearer of bad new friend, but since the fall of the Soviet Union the U.S. has become the global villain. And during the Cold War we were more of an amoral anti hero with reckless regard for those countries who stood in our way.
“The conservative turn towards authoritarianism in the US has baffled me.”
i think that WAS more of a conservative phenomenon when the “neo cons” were identified and noted to adopt PNAC inspired wars for democracy and patriot act type regulatory policies
I Think NOW you have both sides embracing even more restrictive and untethered police powers — as long as it’s aimed at the archetype of the system generated “other “ —
the liberals or the conservatives ...:
also have to acknowledge ppl too scared , apathetic or maybe even now — ignorant —- of the devolution and rapidly emerging authoritarian features of our police state
No rational , thinking person — wants a collective of pinhead self serving SHITHEEL POLITICIANS like ours - managing a GD Stalinist type state
Right ?
Your English is pretty damn good, but you meant to say “reckless disregard.” Pass it along the Ruski Bot line for further attempts.
Do you talk politics with close family members or friends?
I try to avoid anymore / various reasons
but Sometimes - you can’t remain quiet about something thats being discussed
or worse - someone attempts to drag you into a broke assed, poorly framed political chat that’s really just Dialectical, demotic speech that usually lacks self criticism or serious thought to what’s being said
So - i may be contradicting myself on here talking about how i want to see more reg-ppl coordinate and communicate ....then i’m all DAMN DONT TALK YOUR WALT MONDALE ERKEL IGNO-JAM AT ME,, BRO
When you meet new people / do you open up quickly or more methodically over time ?
We held a genuinely righteous resistance against communism - and should have done SOMETHING to try and topple Stalin after WW2 ....maybe our most embarrassing “non action” as a nation ever
But the nation RAPIDLY transformed after the Cold War, man — so did the military and how it was utilized
To quote Putin , “who’s the evil empire now?”
right?
we HAVE not only been led to bankruptcy and a near collapse of our military — but were also painted with a huge target now as THE Immanuel Goldstein of the day
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Pretty subjective stuff.
I talk some politics, but mostly local, as I’m involved.
You “want to see more reg-ppl coordinate and communicate ....” You must love the internet, as it has granted your wish. More people communicate than ever before in human
history.
It took years to discover/investigate the Russian Katyn Massacres in Poland, but those in Bucha were flashed to the world within hours of Ukrainian forces retaking the town.
yessir
do you see organized systematic efforts to curb free expression and speech in the US now?
including internet comms?
comparing the framework for monitoring and regulating speech now — to — 1980s as a decade
The liberals and conservatives in power are no different, cut from the same cloth war profiteering neocons.
The goal in Ukraine is regime change in Russia, just like it was in Iraq to get Saddam. They lied to you then about chemical weapons this, atrocities that -"It's for freedom and Democracy!" - just like they are now.
The goal in Ukraine is regime change in Russia, just like it was in Iraq to get Saddam. They lied to you then about chemical weapons this, atrocities that -"It's for freedom and Democracy!" - just like they are now.
Final question for now and i gotta log in
What hostoic institutional entities or elements do you think we may see revised and reappearing in our government in the next 10-15’yrs?
if any -
based on a few years of monitoring their press releases and re-invented “public profile” — i expect the Vatican to regain something of their past publicly engaged and authoritative nature
I expect political power to shift rapidly from the US / Old Cold War alignments —- to an old school Charlemagne type re-emerged European power block —- anchored by France and Germany
I expect Turkey to possibly regain something of the Ottoman Sultanate look and. swagger
and i FULLY expect UNC Basketball to be gutted by NCAA and WHO led investigations - fk the heels, boys — damn them straight to hell
What hostoic institutional entities or elements do you think we may see revised and reappearing in our government in the next 10-15’yrs?
if any -
based on a few years of monitoring their press releases and re-invented “public profile” — i expect the Vatican to regain something of their past publicly engaged and authoritative nature
I expect political power to shift rapidly from the US / Old Cold War alignments —- to an old school Charlemagne type re-emerged European power block —- anchored by France and Germany
I expect Turkey to possibly regain something of the Ottoman Sultanate look and. swagger
and i FULLY expect UNC Basketball to be gutted by NCAA and WHO led investigations - fk the heels, boys — damn them straight to hell
So lay out the case for why the United States should go to war w/Russia
(assuming u believe this)
We have work to do on applying the old public/private distinction on the net and speech, as the powers involved have changed the field of speech, privacy, etc.
Consider that we not only know the name of the commander of Russian forces, we know when and where he last went to church:
“The decorated military leader was blessed by an Orthodox priest in November, ahead of his deployment to Ukraine, according to the Times of London, which noted his “Butcher of Bucha” nickname.”
So, we set a goal of regime change after Russia illegally invaded Ukraine and began committing war crimes and other atrocities? Ya don't say!
Huxley described a type not blindness that could be imparted on others by overloading them with loads of information and stimulation
Simple concept but he was drawing a parallel for how blind ppl will experience sharpened hearing senses to compensate
But reversing the model and giving someone TOO MUCH SIGHT — led to actual blindness and the ability to perhaps hide things in plain sight
relevant to the old assertion that it’s harder NOW to hide crimes or corrupt planning and fleecing etc — because the internet shines a bright light into the once shadowy corners
but not really
I did quote you -
but it’s a general question for the board
I’m vehemently opposed to conflict w/Russia in this framework of conditions
Some here are i think - supporting military intervention
What’s the argument or case for that expedition and what are the conditions for “success”?
US and China on the World Stage; in Europe Germany and the U.K.; College Football I look for Kentucky to keep building.
Russia will be diminished.
It’ll reduce internet traffic by 85%, but the remaining 15% won’t celebrate much due to “modest” radiation poisoning.
Wars with other nuclear powers have been “off the table” since 1949, and if we can keep it that way, our friends from far away might deem us worthy of actually communicating with us.
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Diminishing Russia is NATO's "defensive" strategy.
Always was.
I think it will work, but it could just easily backfire against us. Their next ruler might just be worse.
It would have been far wiser to follow Trump's foreign policy, which recognized that while they do not share our Western values, they do share our European cultural ones, and just left them alone, used them in the war on radical Islam. Now, they will be forced into China's hands for the coming new cold war between the West (Asian Tigers too) and China.
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Always was.
I think it will work, but it could just easily backfire against us. Their next ruler might just be worse.
It would have been far wiser to follow Trump's foreign policy, which recognized that while they do not share our Western values, they do share our European cultural ones, and just left them alone, used them in the war on radical Islam. Now, they will be forced into China's hands for the coming new cold war between the West (Asian Tigers too) and China.
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That doesn't support your claim at all. We left them alone until they forced us to support Ukraine.
I wasn't debating you, just combined two posts into one; killed two birds with one stone.
My corrupt criminal didn't invade another country. My corrupt criminal isn't known to have committed war crimes but you keep throwing out hope after hope that he did. Pretty easy to back mine. You come on here & only post negatives by/of Ukraine. Net, it's pretty easy to figure which you back regardless of claims otherwise.
Oh yea, of course there are two sides. Stating the obviously true is the way to project credibility onto following nonsense. But keep trying.
This thread took a ridiculous turn between trolls.
Thanks.
Could you explain what represents, "The conservative turn towards authoritarianism in the US"? Covid masks? Covid shot requirements? Higher taxes? Just what do you mean? Thanks.
I would like to subscribe to your zine or newsletter, sir. Been playing 5th edition with some friends. That system is a hot mess. It's what's widely available, and most of the other players never played 2nd or are even aware of it. Playing it is really just a glorified excuse to drink more. 2nd Edition Forgotten Realms and Planescape for me if I had my druthers.
I'm so glad my contribution to this thread was just about AD&D nerddom.
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