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Every country is capable of running a false flag operation. In this war it seems it would more likely benefit the Russians since they are a pariah state at the moment.


you do realize that siding with ukraine and the external forces that have promoted the revolutions there - aligns you with George Soros’ intent to eradicate national sovereignty transplant foreign banks /lending systems and force feed controversial western cultural ideology into the region —?

And those actions have directly resulted in the conflict we have now -

This is a redline / bill you die on for Russia -
What is so important about Ukraine that NATO would risk a land war in Eurasia ?
 
you do realize that siding with ukraine and the external forces that have promoted the revolutions there - aligns you with George Soros’ intent to eradicate national sovereignty transplant foreign banks /lending systems and force feed controversial western cultural ideology into the region —?

And those actions have directly resulted in the conflict we have now -

This is a redline / bill you die on for Russia -
What is so important about Ukraine that NATO would risk a land war in Eurasia ?
Important natural resources like titanium.
 
Whats comical to me is to watch all the jackwaogns that fought, screamed and shouted to the Heavens "Trump ordered a violent protest on the Capital because he said fight like hell...it can only be literal!!!!!" turn and defend the inept current President call for regime change openly and say "Hey that isnt what he meant, you guys are stupid for thinking that!!! Geez apply some common sense!!!" The mental gymnastics is incredible and on full display
I think they both meant what they said.
 
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Important natural resources like titanium.


you know - i’ve never looked up the natural resources for that region
always a good angle to brush up on - thanks

you’re not saying you advocate war with russia b/c of natural resources - right?

you’re just noting they’re there and that becomes a driver for other less scrupulous types ...


honestly. i think our natural resource plundering days are almost over -


we are marked for destruction unfortunately
 
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Ukraine already lost. The country is leveled and our media acts like Russia is struggling to win in Ukraine. The country is leveled! If Russia left tomorrow ukraine would have a massive identity crises and before long they would ask if zelensky loved them so much why would he be so arrogant to stand there and force Ukraine to be burned to the ground? Russia did it a different way but the USA has been leveling and killing civilians since 1991. Hell even before my lifetime. First level Iraq with air strikes, level Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, level with air strikes tons of collateral damage then once everything is disabled send in ground troops.

russia sent the ground troops in simultaneous to the air strikes so they suffered higher casualties

you folks who think Russia is losing don’t understand the Russian mind or their culture. First Russia is known for what? ballet and chess. The outcomes that are occurring are a product of what Russia wants. It’s a friggin chess match. In January putin states he wanted to make eastern Ukraine independent. If Russia had moved into eastern Ukraine to fight that war it would not be where it is now. Instead making Ukraine fight a war in every city Russia is slowly peeling eastern UKraine away even to the point intelligence analysts are beginning to say this is the starting point of a negotiation. Again the starting point of negotiation now is a divided Ukraine. If it had been eastern Ukraine only maybe they negotiated Donetsk or Luhansk but now it’s everything East of the dnieper river. No one forces negotiations going in with what they want. Or atleast no one with a brain. They always start way off and force compromise.

which leads me to why there is no compromise. Biden has run his mouth so much that everyday the man speaks things escalate. It’s obvious Russia is taking out its disdain for this and Obama administration on Ukraine. Why? Because biden throws out stupidity acts like we are on some high horse when in fact the USA has killed millions in the last 30 years. Many of those innocent.

listen I’ve been all over the world 50+ countries and when you travel to regions not influenced by the USA you learn what American propaganda looks like. It’s as disgusting as any other form. We had a president conduct a vendetta war. Americans would never call it that or at least intelligence and the media would never say it but bush went after Sadam and destroyed that country bc Sadam tried to have the elder bush killed. Not because of wmd or al qaeda. You go to Asia, the Middle East, Africa, Russia even Eastern Europe and Greece and there are vast elements that will tell you this over and over.

I hate war. I don’t think it’s justified unless you’re attacked. Does that mean physically attacked? Hell no. If Russia was in Canada trying to peel it away from the USA to its influence you think USA would sit there? If Russia was in Mexico and trying to build a presence there you think the USA would take it? Shit the soviets wanted a military presence in Cuba and the USA almost forced a nuke war over it. Russia is even greater threatened with NATO nations on its border and those countries host American weapons.

what’s the difference? The difference is that the USA thinks every country has to do democracy our way, they think autocracy = evil, they think if you’re not accepting diversity and diluting your culture with refugees from the ME and Africa that you’re a supremacist.

russia is no great place. There is no freedom it’s cold it’s a difficult life because the middle class is waning. Whatever the nation though the problem becomes when one tries to force another to change their history and culture.

Putin has already won. In the coming months nato will show it’s fault lines again, Ukraine will need to be completely rebuilt and Ukrainians will one day wake up and wonder why zelensky destroyed the country instead of stepping aside to save lives. All politics is a pendulum. For Ukraine it’s the pendulum between west and Russia. When the Ukrainians eventually realize zelensky let the history and culture of Ukraine leveled they will wonder why. It will be a crises of west or Russia once again. Sure Russia bombed the shit outta them but nato has been pulling Ukraine away from its historical mother Russia. Now the people will want to know why the hell did the west pull us away then abandon us? Where was the west to protect Ukraine.

wars aren’t fought in 30 days. This has been going on since the west helped over throw the government close to Putin. This began in 2014. This won’t end for 20-30-40 years maybe never. You can get rid of Putin and you can have free and fair elections in Russia and the next guy elected will seize power like Putin. It’s why democracy doesn’t work in some places. Egypt for example tried democracy elected MBH with morsi, then the military took control of the nation back. The USA did all this shit to push to democracy and now the USA won’t deal with Egypt the way it used to because the government was over thrown. You can’t make this shit up. The USA helps topple mubarak, there’s an election won by fundamentalist and the USA doesn’t have good relations with Sísi bc the military had to save the country.

who is gonna rebuild Ukraine? NATO countries will be afraid to go in there. Russia is broke. What zelensky has done is arrogant and what for? Freedom that will never exist bc the country is now fd. He should have played the long game and left. Left Ukraine intact and live to fight another day. Zelensky is no great man. He’s a propaganda machine trying to pull the west into what will end up as a nuke war and you know what. He doesn’t give a shit because all he cares about is his power in Ukraine.
 
^^^a lot to read but pretty much spot on. Russia has expanded like this since Peter. Turkey, Poland, the Baltics. This is how Russia sees itself, as a great power. Whether they’re a great power, or whether it’s moral, is absolutely not the point. They are what they are.

It’s unreal how these simple statements of
fact cause some people to construe them as pro-Putin. As if observing that alligators prey on smaller animals is somehow pro-alligator.
 
^^^a lot to read but pretty much spot on. Russia has expanded like this since Peter. Turkey, Poland, the Baltics. This is how Russia sees itself, as a great power. Whether they’re a great power, or whether it’s moral, is absolutely not the point. They are what they are.

It’s unreal how these simple statements of
fact cause some people to construe them as pro-Putin. As if observing that alligators prey on smaller animals is somehow pro-alligator.
Someday this type of deflection will be used to describe Trump supporters.
 
^^^a lot to read but pretty much spot on. Russia has expanded like this since Peter. Turkey, Poland, the Baltics. This is how Russia sees itself, as a great power. Whether they’re a great power, or whether it’s moral, is absolutely not the point. They are what they are.

It’s unreal how these simple statements of
fact cause some people to construe them as pro-Putin. As if observing that alligators prey on smaller animals is somehow pro-alligator.

“at least 40% of the ppl around you are truly hypnotized by the media & delivery methods around them”

when you clearly see someone who isn’t applying ANY critical thought — not taking in added context or attempting to listen to the counter arguments — you have to realize that you’re likely witnessing the military-grade power of highly orchestrated propaganda and its associated delivery mechanisms, varying frequencies, and other emerging tech/tools


it’s literally mind control —
 
We used nukes when we were winning. What a lunatic would do with them when he’s losing should not be a great leap to imagine, even for you.
We used them to save lives genius.
Ukraine already lost. The country is leveled and our media acts like Russia is struggling to win in Ukraine. The country is leveled! If Russia left tomorrow ukraine would have a massive identity crises and before long they would ask if zelensky loved them so much why would he be so arrogant to stand there and force Ukraine to be burned to the ground? Russia did it a different way but the USA has been leveling and killing civilians since 1991. Hell even before my lifetime. First level Iraq with air strikes, level Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, level with air strikes tons of collateral damage then once everything is disabled send in ground troops.

russia sent the ground troops in simultaneous to the air strikes so they suffered higher casualties

you folks who think Russia is losing don’t understand the Russian mind or their culture. First Russia is known for what? ballet and chess. The outcomes that are occurring are a product of what Russia wants. It’s a friggin chess match. In January putin states he wanted to make eastern Ukraine independent. If Russia had moved into eastern Ukraine to fight that war it would not be where it is now. Instead making Ukraine fight a war in every city Russia is slowly peeling eastern UKraine away even to the point intelligence analysts are beginning to say this is the starting point of a negotiation. Again the starting point of negotiation now is a divided Ukraine. If it had been eastern Ukraine only maybe they negotiated Donetsk or Luhansk but now it’s everything East of the dnieper river. No one forces negotiations going in with what they want. Or atleast no one with a brain. They always start way off and force compromise.

which leads me to why there is no compromise. Biden has run his mouth so much that everyday the man speaks things escalate. It’s obvious Russia is taking out its disdain for this and Obama administration on Ukraine. Why? Because biden throws out stupidity acts like we are on some high horse when in fact the USA has killed millions in the last 30 years. Many of those innocent.

listen I’ve been all over the world 50+ countries and when you travel to regions not influenced by the USA you learn what American propaganda looks like. It’s as disgusting as any other form. We had a president conduct a vendetta war. Americans would never call it that or at least intelligence and the media would never say it but bush went after Sadam and destroyed that country bc Sadam tried to have the elder bush killed. Not because of wmd or al qaeda. You go to Asia, the Middle East, Africa, Russia even Eastern Europe and Greece and there are vast elements that will tell you this over and over.

I hate war. I don’t think it’s justified unless you’re attacked. Does that mean physically attacked? Hell no. If Russia was in Canada trying to peel it away from the USA to its influence you think USA would sit there? If Russia was in Mexico and trying to build a presence there you think the USA would take it? Shit the soviets wanted a military presence in Cuba and the USA almost forced a nuke war over it. Russia is even greater threatened with NATO nations on its border and those countries host American weapons.

what’s the difference? The difference is that the USA thinks every country has to do democracy our way, they think autocracy = evil, they think if you’re not accepting diversity and diluting your culture with refugees from the ME and Africa that you’re a supremacist.

russia is no great place. There is no freedom it’s cold it’s a difficult life because the middle class is waning. Whatever the nation though the problem becomes when one tries to force another to change their history and culture.

Putin has already won. In the coming months nato will show it’s fault lines again, Ukraine will need to be completely rebuilt and Ukrainians will one day wake up and wonder why zelensky destroyed the country instead of stepping aside to save lives. All politics is a pendulum. For Ukraine it’s the pendulum between west and Russia. When the Ukrainians eventually realize zelensky let the history and culture of Ukraine leveled they will wonder why. It will be a crises of west or Russia once again. Sure Russia bombed the shit outta them but nato has been pulling Ukraine away from its historical mother Russia. Now the people will want to know why the hell did the west pull us away then abandon us? Where was the west to protect Ukraine.

wars aren’t fought in 30 days. This has been going on since the west helped over throw the government close to Putin. This began in 2014. This won’t end for 20-30-40 years maybe never. You can get rid of Putin and you can have free and fair elections in Russia and the next guy elected will seize power like Putin. It’s why democracy doesn’t work in some places. Egypt for example tried democracy elected MBH with morsi, then the military took control of the nation back. The USA did all this shit to push to democracy and now the USA won’t deal with Egypt the way it used to because the government was over thrown. You can’t make this shit up. The USA helps topple mubarak, there’s an election won by fundamentalist and the USA doesn’t have good relations with Sísi bc the military had to save the country.

who is gonna rebuild Ukraine? NATO countries will be afraid to go in there. Russia is broke. What zelensky has done is arrogant and what for? Freedom that will never exist bc the country is now fd. He should have played the long game and left. Left Ukraine intact and live to fight another day. Zelensky is no great man. He’s a propaganda machine trying to pull the west into what will end up as a nuke war and you know what. He doesn’t give a shit because all he cares about is his power in Ukraine.
We've frozen 300B in Russian assets. Use that money to rebuild Ukraine. Most of your post is utter nonsense. You do realize we have multiple satellites that are watching this war. We know what is going on.
 
A Putin cheerleader right here in The Paddock? Who knew?
You wanna put a bet on territory gain and loss over the next week smart guy?



Zelensky said today he's willing to negotiate on Donbas. That's weird if Ukraine is making all these gains aint it.

You're a pedophile loving wimp.
 
But Putin won’t to save his troops from
a quagmire?

You cannot possibly be this dense.
For someone so limited you should watch your tone. We didn't do it just to save our lives but Japanese civilians as well. We projected more than 2M Japanese would have died. What we did was merciful for both sides.

Spin that doc.
 
you know - i’ve never looked up the natural resources for that region
always a good angle to brush up on - thanks

you’re not saying you advocate war with russia b/c of natural resources - right?

you’re just noting they’re there and that becomes a driver for other less scrupulous types ...


honestly. i think our natural resource plundering days are almost over -


we are marked for destruction unfortunately
We are on the downward curve of what happens to great civilizations (world leading countries/dynasties) who rise to power, grow strong economically, politically, and militarily then overextend their abilities, money, and resources trying to hold on to it (in short).

It has happened over and over throughout history and is almost cyclic. Unless we reverse our trend (unlikely), it looks as if China is the next in line to become the world leader.
 
Deflection of what, exactly?

It's precisely analogous to if you think Duke wins this championship, that K literally goes out on top, durr hurr must be because you're a Duke fan!

I tell ya, you people man... politics and TDS has rotted your brains, if you ever even had them.
 
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you do realize that siding with ukraine and the external forces that have promoted the revolutions there - aligns you with George Soros’ intent to eradicate national sovereignty transplant foreign banks /lending systems and force feed controversial western cultural ideology into the region —?

And those actions have directly resulted in the conflict we have now -

This is a redline / bill you die on for Russia -
What is so important about Ukraine that NATO would risk a land war in Eurasia ?
Food. Ukraine is Europe's breadbasket. When Russia takes it they will have Europe by the preverbal balls.

Ukraine is also one of the world largest fertilizer producers. It's fine to have arable land to grow grain, but if the land is poor and you have no fertilizer then you are screwed.

Food and water are going to be the only must have commodities going forward.


you know - i’ve never looked up the natural resources for that region
always a good angle to brush up on - thanks

you’re not saying you advocate war with russia b/c of natural resources - right?

you’re just noting they’re there and that becomes a driver for other less scrupulous types ...


honestly. i think our natural resource plundering days are almost over -


we are marked for destruction unfortunately
Actually, we are in pretty good shape for food, water, and resources. Much, much, better than most geographic locations in the world.

If, and that is a big if, our society holds together then the long term future looks really good for the U.S.. Of course, if nukes start to fly then all bets are off.

The short term, on the other hand, is going to rough stuff. Everyone should buckle up for some big changes inbound.
 
Food. Ukraine is Europe's breadbasket. When Russia takes it they will have Europe by the preverbal balls.

Ukraine is also one of the world largest fertilizer producers. It's fine to have arable land to grow grain, but if the land is poor and you have no fertilizer then you are screwed.

Food and water are going to be the only must have commodities going forward.



Actually, we are in pretty good shape for food, water, and resources. Much, much, better than most geographic locations in the world.

If, and that is a big if, our society holds together then the long term future looks really good for the U.S.. Of course, if nukes start to fly then all bets are off.

The short term, on the other hand, is going to rough stuff. Everyone should buckle up for some big changes inbound.
Russia lacks the ability to take Ukraine.
 
For someone so limited you should watch your tone. We didn't do it just to save our lives but Japanese civilians as well. We projected more than 2M Japanese would have died. What we did was merciful for both sides.

Spin that doc.
Uh, a tactical nuke will almost certainly save civilian lives over the long run if it forces Ukraine to submit? This isn’t hard to imagine.
 
Uh, a tactical nuke will almost certainly save civilian lives over the long run if it forces Ukraine to submit? This isn’t hard to imagine.
I mean, this isn’t even adding how many in Africa and the ME are going to starve the longer it goes on. It is not at all hard to imagine the ways he would rationalize using a nuke.
 
You and your duck and cover buddy @jump should see what Russia had to say about nukes today. It isn't even in their thought process.
I guess now we trust Russia? Very confusing indeed.

Japans fleet was steaming towards Hawaii as their diplomats pretended to want peace.
 
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Food. Ukraine is Europe's breadbasket. When Russia takes it they will have Europe by the preverbal balls.

Ukraine is also one of the world largest fertilizer producers. It's fine to have arable land to grow grain, but if the land is poor and you have no fertilizer then you are screwed.

Food and water are going to be the only must have commodities going forward.



Actually, we are in pretty good shape for food, water, and resources. Much, much, better than most geographic locations in the world.

If, and that is a big if, our society holds together then the long term future looks really good for the U.S.. Of course, if nukes start to fly then all bets are off.

The short term, on the other hand, is going to rough stuff. Everyone should buckle up for some big changes inbound.


That’s right !
Europe’s breadbasket ...i’d forgotten about that

They had expansive farms that families had managed for generations. / brave people who resisted Stalin’s seizure and reallocation in the 30s

The Holdolomor and forced starvation. of 10-15 million people by the Bolsheviks — unbelievable nightmare

Chernobyl may still have some wider role to play here as well — i am almost 100% positive that the name Chernobyl means “WORMWOOD” (a flowering plant) .....
 
Ukraine already lost. The country is leveled and our media acts like Russia is struggling to win in Ukraine. The country is leveled! If Russia left tomorrow ukraine would have a massive identity crises and before long they would ask if zelensky loved them so much why would he be so arrogant to stand there and force Ukraine to be burned to the ground? Russia did it a different way but the USA has been leveling and killing civilians since 1991. Hell even before my lifetime. First level Iraq with air strikes, level Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, level with air strikes tons of collateral damage then once everything is disabled send in ground troops.

russia sent the ground troops in simultaneous to the air strikes so they suffered higher casualties

you folks who think Russia is losing don’t understand the Russian mind or their culture. First Russia is known for what? ballet and chess. The outcomes that are occurring are a product of what Russia wants. It’s a friggin chess match. In January putin states he wanted to make eastern Ukraine independent. If Russia had moved into eastern Ukraine to fight that war it would not be where it is now. Instead making Ukraine fight a war in every city Russia is slowly peeling eastern UKraine away even to the point intelligence analysts are beginning to say this is the starting point of a negotiation. Again the starting point of negotiation now is a divided Ukraine. If it had been eastern Ukraine only maybe they negotiated Donetsk or Luhansk but now it’s everything East of the dnieper river. No one forces negotiations going in with what they want. Or atleast no one with a brain. They always start way off and force compromise.

which leads me to why there is no compromise. Biden has run his mouth so much that everyday the man speaks things escalate. It’s obvious Russia is taking out its disdain for this and Obama administration on Ukraine. Why? Because biden throws out stupidity acts like we are on some high horse when in fact the USA has killed millions in the last 30 years. Many of those innocent.

listen I’ve been all over the world 50+ countries and when you travel to regions not influenced by the USA you learn what American propaganda looks like. It’s as disgusting as any other form. We had a president conduct a vendetta war. Americans would never call it that or at least intelligence and the media would never say it but bush went after Sadam and destroyed that country bc Sadam tried to have the elder bush killed. Not because of wmd or al qaeda. You go to Asia, the Middle East, Africa, Russia even Eastern Europe and Greece and there are vast elements that will tell you this over and over.

I hate war. I don’t think it’s justified unless you’re attacked. Does that mean physically attacked? Hell no. If Russia was in Canada trying to peel it away from the USA to its influence you think USA would sit there? If Russia was in Mexico and trying to build a presence there you think the USA would take it? Shit the soviets wanted a military presence in Cuba and the USA almost forced a nuke war over it. Russia is even greater threatened with NATO nations on its border and those countries host American weapons.

what’s the difference? The difference is that the USA thinks every country has to do democracy our way, they think autocracy = evil, they think if you’re not accepting diversity and diluting your culture with refugees from the ME and Africa that you’re a supremacist.

russia is no great place. There is no freedom it’s cold it’s a difficult life because the middle class is waning. Whatever the nation though the problem becomes when one tries to force another to change their history and culture.

Putin has already won. In the coming months nato will show it’s fault lines again, Ukraine will need to be completely rebuilt and Ukrainians will one day wake up and wonder why zelensky destroyed the country instead of stepping aside to save lives. All politics is a pendulum. For Ukraine it’s the pendulum between west and Russia. When the Ukrainians eventually realize zelensky let the history and culture of Ukraine leveled they will wonder why. It will be a crises of west or Russia once again. Sure Russia bombed the shit outta them but nato has been pulling Ukraine away from its historical mother Russia. Now the people will want to know why the hell did the west pull us away then abandon us? Where was the west to protect Ukraine.

wars aren’t fought in 30 days. This has been going on since the west helped over throw the government close to Putin. This began in 2014. This won’t end for 20-30-40 years maybe never. You can get rid of Putin and you can have free and fair elections in Russia and the next guy elected will seize power like Putin. It’s why democracy doesn’t work in some places. Egypt for example tried democracy elected MBH with morsi, then the military took control of the nation back. The USA did all this shit to push to democracy and now the USA won’t deal with Egypt the way it used to because the government was over thrown. You can’t make this shit up. The USA helps topple mubarak, there’s an election won by fundamentalist and the USA doesn’t have good relations with Sísi bc the military had to save the country.

who is gonna rebuild Ukraine? NATO countries will be afraid to go in there. Russia is broke. What zelensky has done is arrogant and what for? Freedom that will never exist bc the country is now fd. He should have played the long game and left. Left Ukraine intact and live to fight another day. Zelensky is no great man. He’s a propaganda machine trying to pull the west into what will end up as a nuke war and you know what. He doesn’t give a shit because all he cares about is his power in Ukraine.
Looks like your thinking may be correct.

 
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