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You're an F-ing genius after the fact, now aren't you?

R never wanted the whole country? That's why he bombs Lviv on the western edge of U. LAMO. Putin still wants it all regardless of what he gets now.

Sure, U could have given R half the country with no fight today - so R could then take the other half later with the same type war as now. You may be that stupid, but Putin isn't. He'll take whatever he can get with minimal losses. When the losses are too high he'll stop for today only. So course he could have gotten a 1/2, a 1/3 of U today with no fighting had the West told U to give it to him. You sound just like Chamberlain & the Sudetenland.
I think Putin wants eastern Ukraine separate from the rest. That’s been his plan from the get go. I don’t think Putin thought there would be the backlash they received in the East. It looks like they started a broad war to spread the Ukrainian military and make them defend Kyiv and other places in the west. I told you this from the time biden started spouting out the mouth a month before the war. I was unsure of the Russian tactics but now it’s clear. Putin will walk with at least Donbas and Crimea. They aren’t doing any 15-20-30 year deals. They want it permanent. If they walk with more that will be gravy to Putin.

Putin made clear his intentions for many years. The issue will be what happens to the sanctions if there is a cease fire and Ukraine agrees to Crimea and the East as independent or part of Russia?
 
I think Putin wants eastern Ukraine separate from the rest. That’s been his plan from the get go. I don’t think Putin thought there would be the backlash they received in the East. It looks like they started a broad war to spread the Ukrainian military and make them defend Kyiv and other places in the west. I told you this from the time biden started spouting out the mouth a month before the war. I was unsure of the Russian tactics but now it’s clear. Putin will walk with at least Donbas and Crimea. They aren’t doing any 15-20-30 year deals. They want it permanent. If they walk with more that will be gravy to Putin.

Putin made clear his intentions for many years. The issue will be what happens to the sanctions if there is a cease fire and Ukraine agrees to Crimea and the East as independent or part of Russia?
Having Crimea & Donbas is no different than what he had before Feb. 24. All this talk about Putin's tactics & what he gets is fantastic post-sight. Real geniuses here.
 
Having Crimea & Donbas is no different than what he had before Feb. 24. All this talk about Putin's tactics & what he gets is fantastic post-sight. Real geniuses here.
Americas problem that everything is about NOW. What’s happening right now. There is little thought about 5-10-20 years and longer. This is why Putin is winning. You say “oh he had Crimea blah blah blah” like it was some normal thing. When this thing is over it will be normal and Ukraine will sign some agreement that will cause them to give up pursuing Crimea and definitely independent Donbas. So now it’s all normal. I would say there will be far more concessions by Ukraine if it wants to survive. This is the Django analogy about how to buy his wife back. They didn’t go for the girl they went for the Mandingo fighter. Ukraine is the Mandingo fighter and Crimea/eastern Ukraine is the girl.
 
Having Crimea & Donbas is no different than what he had before Feb. 24. All this talk about Putin's tactics & what he gets is fantastic post-sight. Real geniuses here.
Except now the Azov battalion isn't killiing Russian speakers in the Donbas. 14000 people have been killed in donbas since 2014. And that is UN numbers.
 
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Good interview by Dave Smith, a big time Libertarian, with Col Douglas Macgregor. He's been on Fox a few times and blew minds. He was also the guy that was tracking 911 hijackers and tried to get the feds to bust them and congress stopped them. His military career is sooooo good that none of "putin puppet" people can say isn't a total badass American Hero. You can disagree with him but you can't say he doesn't love this country and risked his life for it.

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Macgregor led a contingent of 49 fighting vehicles in "the last great tank battle of the 20th century" without suffering any casualties.
Macgregor was the "squadron operations officer who essentially directed the Battle of 73 Easting" during the Gulf War.[2] Facing an Iraqi Republican Guard opponent, he led a contingent consisting of 19 tanks, 26 Bradley Fighting Vehicles and 4 M1064 mortar carriers through the sandstorm to the 73 Easting at roughly 16:18 hours on 26 February 1991 destroyed almost 70 Iraqi armored vehicles with no U.S. casualties in a 23-minute span of the battle.[2] He was at the front of the formation in the center with Eagle Troop on the right and Ghost Troop on the left. Macgregor designated Eagle Troop the main attack and positioned himself to the left of Eagle Troop. Eagle Troop Scouts subsequently followed Macgregor's tank through a minefield during which his crew destroyed two enemy tanks. As Macgregor was towards the front of the battle involved in shooting, he didn't "request artillery support or report events to superiors until the battle was virtually over, according to one of his superior officers."[2] The risks he undertook "could have been criticized had the fight turned ugly."[2]
 
So he's willing to let his country burn to hold on to land filled with people that don't want to be Ukrainians. That's some super sound logic there I tells ya.
The Ukrainian people support Zelensky. Perhaps the Russians who want to live in Russia should move. Ever think of that comrade?
 
Mayor of Mariupol admitted they have lost the city. Zelensky is willing to negotiate with condition of ceding land to Russia. You really need to read more than cnn and fox if you want to have a serious discussion and not just a hs "I heard sheila say" type of convo.
Zelensky said he is NOT giving up land. Yes, Mariupol has been destroyed. Its the only city destroyed to that level. Again, you're an idiot.
 
You realize that this is pretty much an admission that the U.S. was involved in the 2013-2014 protests and coup, right? War with Russia has been in the planning stages for decades but Trump put there plans on hold for 4 years. Now, here we are in the midst of the early stages of WW3.
It is not, you're a nut.
 
I think Putin wants eastern Ukraine separate from the rest. That’s been his plan from the get go. I don’t think Putin thought there would be the backlash they received in the East. It looks like they started a broad war to spread the Ukrainian military and make them defend Kyiv and other places in the west. I told you this from the time biden started spouting out the mouth a month before the war. I was unsure of the Russian tactics but now it’s clear. Putin will walk with at least Donbas and Crimea. They aren’t doing any 15-20-30 year deals. They want it permanent. If they walk with more that will be gravy to Putin.

Putin made clear his intentions for many years. The issue will be what happens to the sanctions if there is a cease fire and Ukraine agrees to Crimea and the East as independent or part of Russia?
So Putin wasted manpower and equipment for what again?
 
The Ukrainian people support Zelensky. Perhaps the Russians who want to live in Russia should move. Ever think of that comrade?

Zelensky said he is NOT giving up land. Yes, Mariupol has been destroyed. Its the only city destroyed to that level. Again, you're an idiot.

It is not, you're a nut.

So Putin wasted manpower and equipment for what again?

If people think Russia can occupy that much territory, they are as nutty as you.
Holy hell. Do you even have a core set of values?
 


Good interview by Dave Smith, a big time Libertarian, with Col Douglas Macgregor. He's been on Fox a few times and blew minds. He was also the guy that was tracking 911 hijackers and tried to get the feds to bust them and congress stopped them. His military career is sooooo good that none of "putin puppet" people can say isn't a total badass American Hero. You can disagree with him but you can't say he doesn't love this country and risked his life for it.

Military career​


Macgregor led a contingent of 49 fighting vehicles in "the last great tank battle of the 20th century" without suffering any casualties.
Macgregor was the "squadron operations officer who essentially directed the Battle of 73 Easting" during the Gulf War.[2] Facing an Iraqi Republican Guard opponent, he led a contingent consisting of 19 tanks, 26 Bradley Fighting Vehicles and 4 M1064 mortar carriers through the sandstorm to the 73 Easting at roughly 16:18 hours on 26 February 1991 destroyed almost 70 Iraqi armored vehicles with no U.S. casualties in a 23-minute span of the battle.[2] He was at the front of the formation in the center with Eagle Troop on the right and Ghost Troop on the left. Macgregor designated Eagle Troop the main attack and positioned himself to the left of Eagle Troop. Eagle Troop Scouts subsequently followed Macgregor's tank through a minefield during which his crew destroyed two enemy tanks. As Macgregor was towards the front of the battle involved in shooting, he didn't "request artillery support or report events to superiors until the battle was virtually over, according to one of his superior officers."[2] The risks he undertook "could have been criticized had the fight turned ugly."[2]
H.R. McMaster, former national security advisor, also fought at 73 Easting.
 
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The leaders of Europe want war in Ukraine. The people do not. The leaders of Ukraine wouldn't listen before the war, won't listen now, so there is war. Nato wants war. The people of Ukraine don't want war. The people of Donbas want peace. The insurgents want separation. The people of Russia want peace. Their leaders want the distance from Nato negotiated faithfully with them years ago.

The people of the US believe what they're told, more than the people of Europe
 
Americas problem that everything is about NOW. What’s happening right now. There is little thought about 5-10-20 years and longer. This is why Putin is winning. You say “oh he had Crimea blah blah blah” like it was some normal thing. When this thing is over it will be normal and Ukraine will sign some agreement that will cause them to give up pursuing Crimea and definitely independent Donbas. So now it’s all normal. I would say there will be far more concessions by Ukraine if it wants to survive. This is the Django analogy about how to buy his wife back. They didn’t go for the girl they went for the Mandingo fighter. Ukraine is the Mandingo fighter and Crimea/eastern Ukraine is the girl.
Revisionism on your part. Just show me where you posted before Feb. 24 that if U gave R Crimea & Donbas & agreed to neutrality that he wouldn't have invaded any other parts of U & never would ever after. W/o that, you're a FOS genius. And as things stand, he has added a land bridge & U's nuke plants above Crimea & Donbas, so that isn't all he wanted. Again, show me where you stated that. Me, if U had agreed to above to begin with, R would have their military intact to take even more.
 
Have you actually seen the maps going around now from Europe sources?



And this is a pro Ukraine map from Europe. This is the best case scenario going around Europe right now.
What is different about actually seen and seen?

You claim they're pro-U maps. How does one know that from "actually" (LOL) seeing the map? We'll see if it's best case.
 
The leaders of Europe want war in Ukraine. The people do not. The leaders of Ukraine wouldn't listen before the war, won't listen now, so there is war. Nato wants war. The people of Ukraine don't want war. The people of Donbas want peace. The insurgents want separation. The people of Russia want peace. Their leaders want the distance from Nato negotiated faithfully with them years ago.

The people of the US believe what they're told, more than the people of Europe
Craziness. Only Putin wants this war.
 
Craziness. Only Putin wants this war.
That’s BS, you think it’s just a coincidence that missiles were fired on a Russian city at the exact moment an agreement was on the table? Then today Biden offers 500 million more to Ukraine?
Theres a lot of blame to be spread around.
 
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That’s BS, you think it’s just a coincidence that missiles were fired on a Russian city at the exact moment an agreement was on the table? Then today Biden offers 500 million more to Ukraine?
Theres a lot of blame to be spread around.
It is not. There has never been an agreement on the table, let alone the "exact moment". That's crazy in and of itself. We sure are helping Ukraine defend itself and we should. Further, it wasn't a Russian city, it was an ammunition depot. Wars don't stop because peace talks are ongoing. That could take weeks or months or never come to fruition. The Ukrainians have every right to attack their invader. Good for them. Trying to conflate that into the West wanting this war is ignorant and a bit nutty.
 
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It is not. There has never been an agreement on the table, let alone the "exact moment". That's crazy in and of itself. We sure are helping Ukraine defend itself and we should. Further, it wasn't a Russian city, it was an ammunition depot. Wars don't stop because peace talks are ongoing. That could take weeks or months or never come to fruition. The Ukrainians have every right to attack their invader. Good for them. Trying to conflate that into the West wanting this war is ignorant and a bit nutty.
Are you high? The last 2 days it’s been reported that Zelensky would agree to neutrality, a peacekeeping force, and the 2 breakaway regions as well as Crimea. Then yesterday a strike into Russia for the first time as they were pulling back from Kyiv.

The west wants this war, maybe their reasoning is justified, I hope it’s not to deflect from Biden’s ineptness and to fill their coffers.
 
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Are you high? The last 2 days it’s been reported that Zelensky would agree to neutrality, a peacekeeping force, and the 2 breakaway regions as well as Crimea. Then yesterday a strike into Russia for the first time as they were pulling back from Kyiv.

The west wants this war, maybe their reasoning is justified, I hope it’s not to deflect from Biden’s ineptness and to fill their coffers.
Oh, Russia stopped firing the last two days. LMAO.
 
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Revisionism on your part. Just show me where you posted before Feb. 24 that if U gave R Crimea & Donbas & agreed to neutrality that he wouldn't have invaded any other parts of U & never would ever after. W/o that, you're a FOS genius. And as things stand, he has added a land bridge & U's nuke plants above Crimea & Donbas, so that isn't all he wanted. Again, show me where you stated that. Me, if U had agreed to above to begin with, R would have their military intact to take even more.
You’re the one FOS if you won’t pony up and admit to the exchange you and I had. You were ignorant then you didn’t know where Donetsk was. You had zero insight into Putin or Russia. You’ve been slowly educated and now you just spew mainstream media and propaganda talking points without look for truth. I told you then what Putin wanted. Like I said I didn’t know how he’d get there but now it’s obvious he made Ukraine fight all over the country to isolate those very resource rich lands. Go back and read my exchange with you it wasn’t just Donbas it was all of eastern ukraine to the dnieper river. That’s what I told you he wanted. I proposed yesterday a scenario in which he walks with the bare minimum. A recognition of Donbas and Crimea belonging to Russia. That’s the best case scenario Ukraine will get and Putin wins. I went on to say he will end up with much more. So stfu and stop your lies!

You’re a cnn regurgitation machine it’s obvious you have no perspective other than one.
 
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Are you high? The last 2 days it’s been reported that Zelensky would agree to neutrality, a peacekeeping force, and the 2 breakaway regions as well as Crimea. Then yesterday a strike into Russia for the first time as they were pulling back from Kyiv.

The west wants this war, maybe their reasoning is justified, I hope it’s not to deflect from Biden’s ineptness and to fill their coffers.
You're right, he has capitulated and is willing to give up those 2 areas. I'm disappointed in that but it's Ukraine's business. However, there is no agreement on the table. Russia hasn't agreed to anything.
 
I have no idea of what Putin’s thought process on all this was. Maybe he thought Ukraine would be a pushover. He surely knew better than that. It seems he’s gonna end up with what he could have probably had without firing a shot.
 
I have no idea of what Putin’s thought process on all this was. Maybe he thought Ukraine would be a pushover. He surely knew better than that. It seems he’s gonna end up with what he could have probably had without firing a shot.
You're right, he has capitulated and is willing to give up those 2 areas. I'm disappointed in that but it's Ukraine's business. However, there is no agreement on the table. Russia hasn't agreed to anything.
There’s no agreement bc the Kremlin wants more and they will continue to push for more. they are in the position of strength and zelensky who’s held on for 35 days has no choice. Everyday that goes by Putin/Russia will bomb civilians. The stalemate benefits Putin bc now the Russians will just continue to indiscriminately bomb civilians. That blood in a stalemate zelensky shares and he knows it.

Putin’s thought process is much longer than anyone in this thread understands. His goals are 5-20-40 years away. The FSB has a long term plan. And 35 days into a war no one can comprehend. He’s gonna take eastern Ukraine that’s what he’s gunning for in talks. Eastern Ukraine independent. Crimea Russian. He wants it in writing these things so the west will scale back sanctions. He wants a neutrality agreement and possibly regime change. These are all short term goals.

everyone in the west thinks Putin miscalculated but it’s coming to bear that this is the way Russia does things. They did the same to break the Chechens. They did the same to save Assad. This is what Russian war looks like it’s no outlier. Spread the enemy, draw out their ground forces bomb the shit outta everything kill civilians dictate the terms of cease fire. In Putin’s Russia this is the way they have done it for 20 years. He keeps chipping away and in this case he’s gonna end up with a chunk. More than he initially wanted

Meanwhile our media and know nothings are running around spouting Russia weakness and miscalculation. Newsflash mainstream media followers. Putin don’t give a shit about who lives and dies as long as his objectives are met. It’s been a load of propaganda from American media.
 
There’s no agreement bc the Kremlin wants more and they will continue to push for more. they are in the position of strength and zelensky who’s held on for 35 days has no choice. Everyday that goes by Putin/Russia will bomb civilians. The stalemate benefits Putin bc now the Russians will just continue to indiscriminately bomb civilians. That blood in a stalemate zelensky shares and he knows it.

Putin’s thought process is much longer than anyone in this thread understands. His goals are 5-20-40 years away. The FSB has a long term plan. And 35 days into a war no one can comprehend. He’s gonna take eastern Ukraine that’s what he’s gunning for in talks. Eastern Ukraine independent. Crimea Russian. He wants it in writing these things so the west will scale back sanctions. He wants a neutrality agreement and possibly regime change. These are all short term goals.

everyone in the west thinks Putin miscalculated but it’s coming to bear that this is the way Russia does things. They did the same to break the Chechens. They did the same to save Assad. This is what Russian war looks like it’s no outlier. Spread the enemy, draw out their ground forces bomb the shit outta everything kill civilians dictate the terms of cease fire. In Putin’s Russia this is the way they have done it for 20 years. He keeps chipping away and in this case he’s gonna end up with a chunk. More than he initially wanted

Meanwhile our media and know nothings are running around spouting Russia weakness and miscalculation. Newsflash mainstream media followers. Putin don’t give a shit about who lives and dies as long as his objectives are met. It’s been a load of propaganda from American media.
He isn't getting all that, ever.
 
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