Now if your dumbass knew history and said GERMANS, as in not a majority of NAZIS, you would be cooking with fire.
Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions
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Oh I’m sure they are, that’s not my beef. You trying to minimize Nazi Germany, I have a big problem with.
I’m for real not trying to fight but facts aren’t optional like KSR when you deal with me. I said facts.
Okay, wut? I am the absolutely opposite of that. Just cause you, never mind. I bow down. You win bubba.
Dude, All that I am bitching about is your Nazi/Jew comment. If you aren’t that read, god bless your soul.
The timidity of the US position is making the world more dangerous, not less. I know Joe and NATO do not want to stumble into a war with Russia, but by demonstrating over and over again that we don't have the stomach for war we are inviting disaster.
Russia keeps bluffing with nuclear weapons because they realize this. A bluffer will bluff you until you demonstrate you will not be bluffed and you do that by calling them.
Call Russia's bluff. Say publicly Russia has demonstrated their military capabilities are no match for Western forces and that any engagement of the US or NATO will be met in kind immediately and that Mr. Putin needs to carefully consider his next few moves as we will not be bluffed into tolerating Russian aggression towards NATO. Our response will be immediate, proportional, and decisive.
Also, the Russians are now doing exactly what I predicted they would because they are logistically inept, they are stealing supplies meant for Ukrainian relief. NATO should clarify that stealing and hijacking relief efforts towards starving besieged Ukrainian citizens will necessitate a humanitarian no-fly zone be implemented if Russia does not immediately stop stealing these emergency relief supplies their war crimes have created.
Here is a simple sample speech for Joe to deliver:
The Russian invasion into Ukraine has been stopped in its tracks by brave Ukrainian fighters defending their homes and families from a remorseless enemy. The Russian soldiers in the field are poorly motivated and equipped. Many are freezing in their tents suffering frostbite while Mr. Putin lounges in one of his country estates pondering his next move. Our message to Mr. Putin is very simple and direct: withdraw your troops from Ukraine and return your suffering soldiers to their families and your country back into a law abiding nation. The longer Russia stalls from doing what is right the greater the chance for Mr. Putin and Russia to make even graver mistakes. Any engagement of US/NATO forces will be responded to immediately, proportionally but decisively, and invoke Article 5 of our NATO Collective Defense obligations and Mr. Putin should not doubt for one moment our resolve. The Russian soldiers in the field are so poorly supported that they have resorted to looting relief supplies meant for starving besieged Ukrainian citizens who have been subjected to what we asses are war crimes. If the looting of relief supplies are not stopped immediately then NATO reserves the right to implement a humanitarian relief no-fly zone to protect these humanitarian relief supplies.
Russia keeps bluffing with nuclear weapons because they realize this. A bluffer will bluff you until you demonstrate you will not be bluffed and you do that by calling them.
Call Russia's bluff. Say publicly Russia has demonstrated their military capabilities are no match for Western forces and that any engagement of the US or NATO will be met in kind immediately and that Mr. Putin needs to carefully consider his next few moves as we will not be bluffed into tolerating Russian aggression towards NATO. Our response will be immediate, proportional, and decisive.
Also, the Russians are now doing exactly what I predicted they would because they are logistically inept, they are stealing supplies meant for Ukrainian relief. NATO should clarify that stealing and hijacking relief efforts towards starving besieged Ukrainian citizens will necessitate a humanitarian no-fly zone be implemented if Russia does not immediately stop stealing these emergency relief supplies their war crimes have created.
Here is a simple sample speech for Joe to deliver:
The Russian invasion into Ukraine has been stopped in its tracks by brave Ukrainian fighters defending their homes and families from a remorseless enemy. The Russian soldiers in the field are poorly motivated and equipped. Many are freezing in their tents suffering frostbite while Mr. Putin lounges in one of his country estates pondering his next move. Our message to Mr. Putin is very simple and direct: withdraw your troops from Ukraine and return your suffering soldiers to their families and your country back into a law abiding nation. The longer Russia stalls from doing what is right the greater the chance for Mr. Putin and Russia to make even graver mistakes. Any engagement of US/NATO forces will be responded to immediately, proportionally but decisively, and invoke Article 5 of our NATO Collective Defense obligations and Mr. Putin should not doubt for one moment our resolve. The Russian soldiers in the field are so poorly supported that they have resorted to looting relief supplies meant for starving besieged Ukrainian citizens who have been subjected to what we asses are war crimes. If the looting of relief supplies are not stopped immediately then NATO reserves the right to implement a humanitarian relief no-fly zone to protect these humanitarian relief supplies.
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The Nazi / SS (& George Soros supported) i inhumane treatment of jews during ww2 was clearly awful
8 German internment camps went fm being under the command of the Regular German Army — to being controlled by the S/S in 1943
Thats when torture abuse truly began & as the Allied forces closed in on Germany — The infamous final solution & rushed executions/extermination resulted in 6Mil dead
in 1945 Germany surrenders militarily -
I used the American Holocaust Museum as a source on this when i was using it to make a point on something i’d written
Awful events - but STILL not as bad as several hundreds of Marxist / Communist’ camps spanning multiple decades — and a much higher figure for total exterminated (60-100 M)
But i don’t think it’s really true to say the Germans were “ 100% about Jewish genocide “ in that war
That war was guaranteed when Clemenceau managed to levy 100% of the WW1 war against Germany (who absolutely did not start WW1) —
There were other reasons that war escalated (Czech anschluss, partition of poland, National Socialism & Communist USSR - partners then genocidal war with Stalin (racking up hundreds of his own concentration camps) ...
what a major shitter to have Hitler , Lenin and Stalin PLUS a side dish of Mussolini
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After getting out of the military, my trainer on my new job was a WW2 vet. He had been assigned to a tank crew in Africa and was captured his first day on duty. He spent the rest of the war in a POW camp. He said the Germans treated the Americans fairly well, but they hated the Russians. One example he gave was if it was cold and snowy, they would force the Russians to strip down to their underwear and crawl around in the snow.
While stationed in Germany in the late 70's I came upon a restaurant in a small town where the waitress did not speak English, but her boss (the owner) did. He came out and took my order and told me it was on the house. I ask him why, so he sat down and talked to me a while about his time in the German army during WWII as a young soldier and being captured by the American military and sent to a POW camp in America. He told me that he was treated better in the American POW camp than he was in the German army and that he respected America for our treatment of prisoners. That was not the only one that told me that while I was over there.
He's lost his fkn mind. Unstable or unhinged, he's a danger to others. He doesn't know history and he doesn't know reason.
Soros was just one of many of Jewish descent that turned in or abandoned other Jews in Russia and in Germany and throughout Europe. It even happened in the US. It wasn't just a few with Hitler. It wasn't just a few with Lenin or Stalin.
We were given the Clifs notes version of history throughout school. You had to want to know more and read (and talk to people) as some have for decades after college, to know what was behind alot of what happened in the past.
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Absolutely.
If we don't assume that every country, allies or enemies, has their own self-interest at heart over and above our existence, we are fooling ourselves. History shows allies destroying allies for thousands of years. Diligence and preparation. Strength. Protecting borders and the people (citizens) there legally is what keeps a country strong. There's a reason the country was created the way it was, even though it took a while to get it closer to where the founders wanted it to be.
They are all our enemies first. Allies possibly, but not to be trusted without reservation.
Interesting. Sort of confirms recent figures.
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History is written by the victors as the well worn and true saying is. Of course. And is it scrubbed conveniently? Absolutely.
So what? It isn't some grand conspiracy or some nefarious plan. It's what people do in order to be pleasant.
America, under McNamara and LeMay, incinerated Japanese cities before the nukes were dropped and in McNamara's own words they would have been charged as war criminals had we lost the war. So what, we had to do that in order to prevent our soldiers from being slaughtered in an amphibious assault of mainland Japan with casualty estimates off the charts.
Watch this clip of "The Fog of War" where McNamara says exactly what I say above:
There isn't some global plot to snooker the rubes, there is the human need to not dwell on the horrendous. Why wallow in what we had to do? It's not covered up by a plot, it's just ignored and forgotten because that's what the winning side always did before everyone had a phone and the internet made it impossible to gloss over.
You're not some all-knowing student of history that is onto some big conspiracy, you're just a huckster out peddling propaganda and rationalizing it in cherry-picked out of context warped sound bites. Guys like you are a dime a dozen offering up offal to the gullible like some 99 cent store version of Alex Jones.
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I still claim you don't know what the situation is. How about just the highlights since you're going to say you've said it in dozens of posts.
Gassy would really be upset if this is true. And all lost just to get water flowing into Crimea.
I hear there are a lot of shot thru the top of the foot wounds.
That would be about 40% of the total Russian force. That’s a wild total and shows they have no chance of taking over Ukraine.
That was the opinion of McNamara and LeMay but under the rules of war and civilian casualties I don't think war crimes would have ever been levied. Your last sentence is spot on and funny.
Hard to believe that they would lose 15K in a one month war while/when we lost 50K in Vietnam in how many years? I know the two are different type wars/different countries/etc....but still.
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those two scenarios are apples to oranges. I don’t know the validity of the numbers (I have no reason to question them), but it’s been well documented that the ground forces are having logistical issues and command and control problems. They are fighting an emboldened and motivation Ukrainian military. Even the russian state run media posted the 10k death number a few days ago before it was removed.
The 7000 number is probably pretty accurate which mean about 28000 casualties. Considering how stupid the Russians have been, I dont doubt it at all.
I thought that russia had ~100k ground forces in Ukraine. I could be wrong about that. Sorry if I’m misleading.
Somewhere around 200k was the starting point. And they have been sending in more plus reinforcements from Chechnya, Syria, Belarus. But at this point I think they are dying faster than being replaced. The biggest issue is the general rule is only 30% of your force is Frontline combat troops. That is going to be the bulk of their casualties. When you've reached 25k+ casualties for a 200k force then your Frontline is basically wiped out. You are then moving support assets into Frontline positions to be slaughtered.
Could be, but I doubt it’s that high. There would have to be some serious fighting by large armies, and there may be.
If Russia’s KIA are that high I wonder what Ukraines is currently?
Ukraine is a well equipped military, as is Russia. This isn’t Iraq or Afghanistan, or even Vietnam.
I'm always amazed/appalled when I read history books of wars and battles pre-WWII of how they would line up and march across open fields directly into the line of fire. Pickett's Charge, etc.
Not that war is a fun time or anything, but WW1 seems like the most miserable experience possible if you were on the front line.
Hmmmm
"Vladimir Putin's defense minister 'vanishes with heart problems' as war stalls"
But I guess we're not to believe everything we read. 🤣
"Vladimir Putin's defense minister 'vanishes with heart problems' as war stalls"
But I guess we're not to believe everything we read. 🤣
A Russian media outlet posted a higher figure several days ago then took it down pretty quickly.
Find real America news interview of Lara Logan by Ed Henry and his co-anchor. Saw part of it on YouTube Lance Wallnau segment
That is, if you want another side of the story. Not the Dem, Rino, MSM, Soros narrative
That is, if you want another side of the story. Not the Dem, Rino, MSM, Soros narrative
Love Lance. Had no idea that Lara Logan was kind of a fire breathing conservative until I saw her on FlashPoint about a month or so ago.
If the Russians get much weaker in Ukraine, the Ukrainians are gonna kill them all. If you invade my country, I'm not taking prisoners, you're gonna die if I can do it. It's difficult to discern the truth but it's obvious Russia is stalled and basically a sitting duck. I'm looking forward to our mini-drones getting there. What a nasty weapon. Silent, I'm sure they have night vision, the drone is the bomb. Oof.
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