POLITICAL THREAD

[cardkilla]

The New York Times has published part of the tax returns of a private citizen in an effort to score political points for a candidate they endorse, Hillary Clinton. That should be the real headline people pause and think about.

The front pages of the tax returns themselves are essentially a non-issue, representing the 1995 gross business loss incurred by candidate Donald Trump who operates a massive conglomeration of business entities.

The anti-Trump political angle is easily identifiable within the extensive article use of: “could have”, “might be”, “may have”, phrases used throughout the woven narrative. Journalistic “narratives” are rarely based on facts.

The identified $916 million single year operating income loss is no different than current losses of Amazon, Facebook, Twitter and a host of other corporations and businesses.

Actually, Donald Trump’s 1995 loss is smaller than the operating loss the New York Times reported when it sold the Boston Globe in 2013 for a net loss of $1.03 billion.

The Times purchased the Boston Globe in ’93 for $1.1 billion and sold it in 2013 for $70 million, a loss of $1.03 billion. However, for some reason it’s doubtful the Times will publish their own 2013 tax returns. That doesn’t meet the political need.

Despite the best protestations of the Hillary Clinton campaign, there’s nothing dramatic about the Donald Trump tax returns. The only thing illegal or unethical is the illegal nature and unethical mindset of the media outlet who published them.

Against the backdrop of weaponized federal governmental agencies already admitting they have targeted private citizens they considered political opponents, the gleeful willingness of the Clinton campaign to push the New York Times Trump-tax non-story is brutally tone deaf and most likely to backfire.

Just imagine what a Hillary Clinton administration would do to their political opposition with a weaponized cabinet filled with intensely unstable and rabid ideologues.

The vast majority of Americans just don’t like, appreciate or condone the publication of legally bound private information, especially tax filings. The willingness of the New York Times to publish them, and the willingness of the Clinton campaign to exploit them, says more about the ideology of those entities than it does about Donald Trump’s business interests.

The Trump Campaign Responds:

So the NYT is a 'loser' for having such a big loss but DT is a 'winner' for such a big loss? Oh good stuff here. More than how little he paid, it shows he is not the genius businessman he says he is. 1990s was a highly profitable and successful decade for America. Just not for DT.

'Winners' don't have billion dollar losses. His tax accountant is the 'genius', certainly not him.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

So the NYT is a 'loser' for having such a big loss but DT is a 'winner' for such a big loss? Oh good stuff here. More than how little he paid, it shows he is not the genius businessman he says he is. 1990s was a highly profitable and successful decade for America. Just not for DT.

'Winners' don't have billion dollar losses. His tax accountant is the 'genius', certainly not him.

He admitted in the first few minutes of the apprentice he almost lost it all; but he came back.

No one's perfect. But pretty incredible what he's done business wise. Only a partisan fool would argue otherwise

 

[cardkilla]

View embedded media

This is a summary of what the leaks will be.

yup, you guys are officially unhinged. See he's got the conspiracy theory/tin foil hat vote on here.

His leaks haven't moved the needle a bit. I doubt they have much of anything or it would have been released already. I understand the need to try to change the channel after a disastrous week by the orange one. Maybe the worst week in post debate history. I just shake my head at his level of incompetence.

 

[jamo0001]

Public support for the death penalty has fallen below 50% for the first time in US history.

Expect some hyperacute evolution from a couple politicians.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Man y'all love you some people, and think very highly of them. Idk how you do it, tbh.

My point was about undecided voters.....basically that all the idiots that don't understand basic tax law have already made up their mind.

But I get what you are saying.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

The New York Times has published part of the tax returns of a private citizen in an effort to score political points for a candidate they endorse, Hillary Clinton. That should be the real headline people pause and think about.

The front pages of the tax returns themselves are essentially a non-issue, representing the 1995 gross business loss incurred by candidate Donald Trump who operates a massive conglomeration of business entities.

The anti-Trump political angle is easily identifiable within the extensive article use of: “could have”, “might be”, “may have”, phrases used throughout the woven narrative. Journalistic “narratives” are rarely based on facts.

The identified $916 million single year operating income loss is no different than current losses of Amazon, Facebook, Twitter and a host of other corporations and businesses.

Actually, Donald Trump’s 1995 loss is smaller than the operating loss the New York Times reported when it sold the Boston Globe in 2013 for a net loss of $1.03 billion.

The Times purchased the Boston Globe in ’93 for $1.1 billion and sold it in 2013 for $70 million, a loss of $1.03 billion. However, for some reason it’s doubtful the Times will publish their own 2013 tax returns. That doesn’t meet the political need.

Despite the best protestations of the Hillary Clinton campaign, there’s nothing dramatic about the Donald Trump tax returns. The only thing illegal or unethical is the illegal nature and unethical mindset of the media outlet who published them.

Against the backdrop of weaponized federal governmental agencies already admitting they have targeted private citizens they considered political opponents, the gleeful willingness of the Clinton campaign to push the New York Times Trump-tax non-story is brutally tone deaf and most likely to backfire.

Just imagine what a Hillary Clinton administration would do to their political opposition with a weaponized cabinet filled with intensely unstable and rabid ideologues.

The vast majority of Americans just don’t like, appreciate or condone the publication of legally bound private information, especially tax filings. The willingness of the New York Times to publish them, and the willingness of the Clinton campaign to exploit them, says more about the ideology of those entities than it does about Donald Trump’s business interests.

The Trump Campaign Responds:

Russia clearly trying to tamper with our election to get Putin's bromance buddy Trump into office and the right wing nuts claim it is no big deal.

A legitimate mainstream newspaper publishes a story about one of the leading candidates taking a multi-million dollar business loss and then escaping paying taxes for 18 years and it is just them trying to rig the election?

You guys are tools. Seriously. Just should stop participating in democracy if you love your country and don't want to further inflict your stupidity upon the rest of us. Thanks.

 

[Bill Cosby]

It really is painful to watch people (Z, cardkilla, etc.) so ignorant on the topic try and discuss Trump's tax returns.

It's even more painful to see a news outlet publish complete unfounded speculation while illegally publishing a citizen's private tax info.

The fact that you retards can't understand the concept of an NOL is Exhibit A in the case against Trump releasing his tax returns. You lack the ability to understand a basic tax concept, but will latch on to whatever unfounded moronic bullshit the Clinton campaign feeds you.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

DONALT TRUMP USE LOCKER ROOM LANGUAGE I AM OFFEND WILL NOT VOTE

I guess I should have known the media would throttle up for this stretch but good grief. 100% of all stories on anything MSM is Trump is the devil.

Fight back, folks.

 

[KopiKat]

A legitimate mainstream newspaper publishes a story about one of the leading candidates taking a multi-million dollar business loss and then escaping paying taxes for 18 years and it is just them trying to rig the election?

you have just proven what an enormous tool you are. "Escaping" ?? You are an imbecile, and you will always be poor.

The well-to-do farmer may show a 1/2 million or more in earnings for the year, and he may calculate this amount on the final days of December. Now, he can volunteer to pay taxes on every single bit of that money, or he can invest in his continued agricultural operation, a bit more land, machinery, etc. to the tune of a 1/2 million dollars worth or more . . . and he can show a loss on the year instead.

HE DOESN'T ESCAPE JACK SHIT!! Through his continued investments he pays taxes through those acquisitions, and by holding even more land (more real estate in the case of Donald Trump), he gives his promise to pay more in property tax each year. Additional forms of holdings tax, and participation tax may be expected for men like this.

Only ignorant and permanently poor people are able to believe that the only form of tax a man can pay is tax on income. That is you.

 

[Catfan in Tn.]

12,496 Muslims admitted to the U.S. under the refugees program and only 68 Christians yet people like Atrain and President Obama continued to say that there is no religious test to enter this Country.

 

[Mojocat]

Ha, had no idea about this story until reading this post this morning & then searching it up

my spidey senses are tingling that the real story is far from being told. 4 or 5 dudes break into her apartment, steal $7M in jewelry, but 'tie her up' and leave her unharmed? seems to me if you are a brazen enough thief to steal $7M then you will put a bullet in the back of the head of any witnesses. OR if you have a helpless tied up superstar female that you would not test out 'the goods' a little bit.

plus, sextape would result.

 

[P19978]

you have just proven what an enormous tool you are. "Escaping" ?? You are an imbecile, and you will always be poor.

The well-to-do farmer may show a 1/2 million or more in earnings for the year, and he may calculate this amount on the final days of December. Now, he can volunteer to pay taxes on every single bit of that money, or he can invest in his continued agricultural operation, a bit more land, machinery, etc. to the tune of a 1/2 million dollars worth or more . . . and he can show a loss on the year instead.

HE DOESN'T ESCAPE JACK SHIT!! Through his continued investments he pays taxes through those acquisitions, and by holding even more land (more real estate in the case of Donald Trump), he gives his promise to pay more in property tax each year. Additional forms of holdings tax, and participation tax may be expected for men like this.

Only ignorant and permanently poor people are able to believe that the only form of tax a man can pay is tax on income. That is you.

The stupidity of the left is absolutely astounding.

I get it; not everybody can be a tax attorney/CPA. But to brazenly, without a hint of shame, declare "facts" in the face of evidence to the contrary is just hilarious.

Fallon/Kimmel/et al have nothing on the left.

 

[Mojocat]

heh, just saw this again. Cracks me up (a little) every time....

 

[KopiKat]

The stupidity of the left is absolutely astounding.

I get it; not everybody can be a tax attorney/CPA. But to brazenly, without a hint of shame, declare "facts" in the face of evidence to the contrary is just hilarious.

Fallon/Kimmel/et al have nothing on the left.

You don't have to be a CPA to understand these things. You only have to be successful, and just modestly so. People who don't get it, know nothing about success or never will.

 

[krazykats]

You know what bring them on F it!

Those people never find themselves around where I live so screw it. And once these idiots start to create more chaos well I'm sure it will be time to finally start standing up.

Hopefully we will not have neutered our police force, but I'm sure there are a great many willing to stand up for the freedoms we have fought for.

How long does it take before any of these 12K start to associate with terrorists? Any chance we monitor these people like rats in order to find a few we are looking for already?

I mean I'm grasping at anything strategically that could benefit us and hope some one has a clue that it would be a decent idea.

 

[Mojocat]

Cue Claude Rains.....

Under Intense Pressure to Silence Wikileaks, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton Proposed Drone Strike on Julian Assange.

“Can’t we just drone this guy?” Clinton openly inquired, offering a simple remedy to silence Assange and smother Wikileaks via a planned military drone strike, according to State Department sources. The statement drew laughter from the room which quickly died off when the Secretary kept talking in a terse manner, sources said. Clinton said Assange, after all, was a relatively soft target, “walking around” freely and thumbing his nose without any fear of reprisals from the United States. Clinton was upset about Assange’s previous 2010 records releases, divulging secret U.S. documents about the war in Afghanistan in July and the war in Iraq just a month earlier in October, sources said. At that time in 2010, Assange was relatively free and not living cloistered in in the embassy of Ecuador in London. Prior to 2010, Assange focused Wikileaks’ efforts on countries outside the United States but now under Clinton and Obama, Assange was hammering America with an unparalleled third sweeping Wikileaks document dump in five months. Clinton was fuming, sources said, as each State Department cable dispatched during the Obama administration was signed by her.

Clinton and other top administration officials knew the compromising materials warehoused in the CableGate stash would provide critics and foreign enemies with a treasure trove of counterintelligence. Bureaucratic fears about the CableGate release ultimately proved to be well founded by Clinton, her inner circle and her boss in the White House.

 

[KopiKat]

heh, just saw this again. Cracks me up (a little) every time....

 

[Mojocat]

Like I say, if tree falls in the woods, but no one hears it......Any scandal or revelation re HRC will be downplayed, minimized, explained away..

"Good Evening, I'm Lester Holt, and this is the NBC Nightly News. We begin this evening with a revelation by Wikileaks, apparently intending to damage the presidential aspirations of Hillary Clinton. According to documents provided by Wikileaks, Clinton is alleged to have engaged in some sort of questionable conduct years ago. Experts consulted by NBC contend that these new revelations are mostly irrelevant. Now, to the Trump Campaign, where Donald Trump is fighting allegations that he is unfit for office and once signed an Adolph Hitler poster in a way that calls into question his views on the reviled former German leader, and whether Trump has desires to bring certain Third Reich......"

 

[P19978]

You don't have to be a CPA to understand these things. You only have to be successful, and just modestly so. People who don't get it, know nothing about success or never will.

True, I stand corrected.

But "modestly successful" is evidently still too high a bar for the left.

 

[PhattyJ4UK]

All trump supporters in nrw mexico need to vote johnson.. he has a chance there..especially if trump voters get smart

 

[KopiKat]

True, I stand corrected.

But modestly successful is evidently still too high a bar for the left.

for the easily duped and incredibly large portion of them, yes. Make no mistake, plenty of rich and successful people on the left - know all about the wisdom of running that adjustable gross income down to the lowest amount possible at the end of every year. People who can do that the best are the people who are working for themselves, taking their own risks. But when rich, rich people are still paying lots of money in income taxes, you really have to ask yourself, why is it that they weren't able to re-invest in their businesses, adjust their own incomes? The answer to that is become they were getting rich while on SOMEBODY ELSE'S dole, and so the next question becomes this . . . how do you get rich like Bill and Hillary by (1) not owning your own business, (2) not taking your own risks, (3) not producing anything of value? hmmm . . . no wonder Hillary wants to generate suspicion about Trump's business dealings causing potential conflict. Think about that.

 

[Mojocat]

Some of us - didn't take an genius - predicted this spring/summer that if Trump got the nomination, he'd face a kind of scrutiny and pushback from the media that would be unprecedented. And here we are - although, I think it's going to be even worse/more than I thought. USAToday publishes and endorsement in a Presidential race for the first time in its history, all just to say that Trump is unfit and must be stopped. Today I see a piece there saying the 90+ million people that don't normally vote have an "ethical obligation" to vote this time, because Trump must be stopped. The Washington Post is nothing more than a Donald Trump newsletter - from the negative. The Times has people canvasing the country looking through garbage for his tax returns, old love letters, and any believable forgeries that portray DT in a negative light.

I never thought he'd win anyway, but it's hard to see how any candidate can withstand this kind of treatment. Even if people recognize it for what it is, think it's unfair in some say (even if there's some truth in it) and generally don't approve of being "told" how to vote......there is a fatigue factor, IMO. At some point it occurs to people, "do I want to have to go through this for the next 4 years, all this controversy, listening to/reading all this nasty stuff? even if it's "trumped" up to some degree, I don't have the stomach for it....."

 

[cardkilla]

Excuses off the chain this week.

According to the right this week:

• journalists should not be trying to research information on important topics in the election.
• people should be encouraged to hack top secret classified information to release to the public if it hurts a certain candidate. That candidate will however be flogged for not using correct protocols with regards to classified information.
• not paying any income taxes on billions of dollars of net worth is ok. He pays other taxes, just not taxes that fund roads, schools, police departments, etc.
• DT can cheat on his wife, get married 3 times, but it's Hillary who is flawed for staying with her husband. These are the same folks who decry the sanctity of marriage after gay marriage ruling and the fatherless black families.

Good stuff guys. Great stuff.

 

[Mashburned]

Things you won't hear Bill Bryant say...

"In what is described as a bombshell to the clnton campaign, reports show Hillary proposed killing wikileaks founder Julian Asange vis drone strike"

That actually happened. It's documented and real. It will never be reported. Ever. In fact, I bet someone had been killed for leaking that information.

And let's say Hillary got her way and did murder Assange, it would be billed as a great victory for the international community, as Assange is a threat to security everywhere and also a rapist. Great job. Go go USA!

 

[cardkilla]

Some of us - didn't take an genius - predicted this spring/summer that if Trump got the nomination, he'd face a kind of scrutiny and pushback from the media that would be unprecedented. And here we are - although, I think it's going to be even worse/more than I thought. USAToday publishes and endorsement in a Presidential race for the first time in its history, all just to say that Trump is unfit and must be stopped. Today I see a piece there saying the 90+ million people that don't normally vote have an "ethical obligation" to vote this time, because Trump must be stopped. The Washington Post is nothing more than a Donald Trump newsletter - from the negative. The Times has people canvasing the country looking through garbage for his tax returns, old love letters, and any believable forgeries that portray DT in a negative light.

I never thought he'd win anyway, but it's hard to see how any candidate can withstand this kind of treatment. Even if people recognize it for what it is, think it's unfair in some say (even if there's some truth in it) and generally don't approve of being "told" how to vote......there is a fatigue factor, IMO. At some point it occurs to people, "do I want to have to go through this for the next 4 years, all this controversy, listening to/reading all this nasty stuff? even if it's "trumped" up to some degree, I don't have the stomach for it....."

Totally correct, the media should ignore every crazy thing he's said or done. They should not vet someone who has never been a politicians vs someone who has been vetted for 30 years by the pitchfork right.

I think he's actually gotten off light for his refusal to release tax returns and his fraudulent foundation.

Seem to just ignore the fact he brings it on himself. He keeps stories alive by continuing to bring it up. Don't say stupid stuff and the press won't talk about it. But that's what he wants. Then cries about it, just like his supporters do. It's the mic, it's the losers, it's anybody but me. Sure sounds like a politician huh.

 

[KopiKat]

.....there is a fatigue factor, IMO. At some point it occurs to people, "do I want to have to go through this for the next 4 years, all this controversy, listening to/reading all this nasty stuff? even if it's "trumped" up to some degree, I don't have the stomach for it....."

I do . . . have the stomach for it. Suggest you are under-rating man's will survive under his own terms and this is an example of mine:

It is better to suffer the constant displeasure of the corrupted fool than to witness a moment, his joy. (kk - all rights reserved)

 

[Levibooty]

I still like how people on here were claiming Trump won the debate. Talk about total lack of grasp and poor judgement! Conservatives just don't seem to be successful unless they can rigged the game in their favor, this from a former conservative.

 

[DSmith21]

Excuses off the chain this week.

According to the right this week:

• not paying any income taxes on billions of dollars of net worth is ok. He pays other taxes, just not taxes that fund roads, schools, police departments, etc.
• DT can cheat on his wife, get married 3 times, but it's Hillary who is flawed for staying with her husband. These are the same folks who decry the sanctity of marriage after gay marriage ruling and the fatherless black families.

Good stuff guys. Great stuff.

You obviously don't understand our tax system. There is no income tax on net worth. There is an income tax on corporate profits but there is also a deduction allowed for corporate losses.

 

[jamo0001]

plus, sextape would result.

 

[WettCat]

 

[CATSrock]

Huge outcry from the left about Trumps taxes yet very little about the corrupt Clinton Foundation that is a complete sham. They ripped off Haiti to the tune of many millions of dollars. Corruption at its best...http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/us/politics/hillary-clinton-haiti.html?_r=0

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Excuses off the chain this week.

According to the right this week:

• journalists should not be trying to research information on important topics in the election.
• people should be encouraged to hack top secret classified information to release to the public if it hurts a certain candidate. That candidate will however be flogged for not using correct protocols with regards to classified information.
• not paying any income taxes on billions of dollars of net worth is ok. He pays other taxes, just not taxes that fund roads, schools, police departments, etc.
• DT can cheat on his wife, get married 3 times, but it's Hillary who is flawed for staying with her husband. These are the same folks who decry the sanctity of marriage after gay marriage ruling and the fatherless black families.

Good stuff guys. Great stuff.

Journalists SHOULD be investigating candidates. But should be investigating both, not just one.

Hackers wouldnt be required if MSM would do their job.

Thats not how taxes work. You dont pay based on wealth, you pay based on income. Either youre too dense to understand that, and should restrain from discussing it; or just promoting misinformation.

Noone says DT didnt cheat. But Bill is the biggest womanizer since Wilt Chamberlain. So that argument doesnt hold water.

 

[TransyCat09]

Just got to thinking about Gary Johnson's gaffes. While they are stupid let's compare to:

Trump thinks Scotland is England, doesn't know what the nuclear triad is, gets his information from "the shows", isn't sure about Russians being in Ukraine, etc.

Hillary was the highest ranking diplomat in the entire government and allegedly didn't know "C" meant classified, wanted to assassinate political threats, deals with state sponsors of rape and murder, etc.

"Shew, can you imagine if that kooky glibertarian got elected?!? Our foreign policy would be a mess!!!"

/MaddowMatthewsHannityCooper

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Just got to thinking about Gary Johnson's gaffes. While they are stupid let's compare to:

Trump thinks Scotland is England, doesn't know what the nuclear triad is, gets his information from "the shows", isn't sure about Russians being in Ukraine, etc.

Hillary was the highest ranking diplomat in the entire government and allegedly didn't know "C" meant classified, wanted to assassinate political threats, deals with state sponsors of rape and murder, etc.

"Shew, can you imagine if that kooky glibertarian got elected?!? Our foreign policy would be a mess!!!"

/MaddowMatthewsHannityCooper

Not that I'm a Gary fan, but I didn't think his gaffes were even alarming. It's consistent with his views of near isolation

 

[WettCat]

Hillary knew and knows what "C" meant. In fact, she knows BOTH interpretations of what "C" means....

 

[jamo0001]

The media pile-on of GJ's two gaffes throws the double-standard of this campaign into perfect relief.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Would have been nice if he could name a world leader.

That's aside from the point that asking a US POTUS candidate "who is your favorite world leader" is mind numbingly stupid.

 

[screwduke1]

Bill looks awful. Maybe him and Hillary will croak at the same time.

 

[Mashburned]

And they got an appropriate response from the most patriotic candidate in the field.

How in the world is Rand gonna get enough money/support to fend off Mr. I CREATE JOBS DAMMIT Gray?

We're worried about the wrong damn elections, tbh. That's what got us here in the first place.

 

[screwduke1]

A massive Hurricane is headed towards Haiti. Hopefully the Clintons stay away this time.