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It is reported that Gov. Cuomo of New York has determined that the reason that New York has over 15 times as many coronavirus cases as California is because New York "welcomes people". There are two problems with that statement, and I would appreciate any of our moonbats to address this. First, would this statistic not actually be an argument against being so welcoming? Second, how in the world is the second most socially conscious state in America any more welcoming than the first most socially conscious state? Perhaps a more realistic answer would have been "it's called climate, people. And it's still flu season, here".
I hope you're making fun of someone with this post and its meta or something. Cause nothing better than making fun of other people for not being able to post coherent posts while using a non coherent post to make your point.
The data doesn't show that his "army" is dying off. Out of those 34 members, it is statistically likely that not one will die, unless the average age of that church is over 70, in which case perhaps one or two will. Compare the Arkansas rate to that of the blue states. It's tragic that anyone that anyone will die from this virus, but you ghouls who are hoping that it will disproportionately hit Trump voters may be disappointed.
You are a ghoul and you make me sick. You are literally rooting for the virus as long as it weeds out some Trump voters, or, at the very least, weeds out the economy and the chances of a re-election. You are a ghoul.
Ya hear this, Levi?
My advice is eat some low-salt potato chips and post back tomorrow morning.
TIA.
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I haven't used the word in maybe 35 years, but it's definitely right on time for sure.
A one time check is not even in the same universe as socialism.
Hell, Trump could send out 1000 dollar checks 6 months straight to people and it still wouldn't be socialism.
For people who claim to be socialists you guys don't even know what the hell you're supporting.
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2017:
Trump administrations officials are briefed on an intelligence document titled “Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents.” That’s right. The administration literally had an actual playbook for what to do in the early stages of a pandemic. Among the playbook’s protocols:
Trump administrations officials are briefed on an intelligence document titled “Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents.” That’s right. The administration literally had an actual playbook for what to do in the early stages of a pandemic. Among the playbook’s protocols:
- Begin early procurement of PPE materials for healthcare workers as soon as the threat is identified.
- Concentrate on “early diagnostic capacity”—which is government-speak for Have a mountain of tests on-hand so that you can monitor the spread of the disease.
Can you imagine how miserable life would be if you had to personally interact daily with a twat like Levi?
Hard to keep up now since I blocked a few... I have one more to block and all will be...peaceful. (Yeah, I like that...)(Took me too long but they earned it.)
February 2018: The Washington Post writes “CDC to cut by 80 percent efforts to prevent global disease outbreak.” The meat of the story is “Countries where the CDC is planning to scale back include some of the world’s hot spots for emerging infectious disease, such as China, Pakistan, Haiti, Rwanda and Congo.”
May 2018:
January 3, 2020: The CDC is first alerted to a public health event in Wuhan, China (This fact was revealed publicly later by HHS Secretary Alex Azar.)
January 6, 2020: The CDC issues a travel notice for Wuhan due to the spreading coronavirus.
January 10, 2020: Former Trump Homeland Security Advisor Tom Bossert warns that we shouldn’t “jerk around with ego politics” because “we face a global health threat…Coordinate!”
January 18, 2020: After two weeks of attempts, HHS Secretary Alex Azar finally gets the chance to speak to Trump about the virus. The president redirects the conversation to vaping, according to the Washington Post.
January 20, 2020: First U.S. case is reported in Washington state.
January 21, 2020: Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Disease at the CDC tells reporters, “We do expect additional cases in the United States.”
January 27, 2020: Top White House aides meet with Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney to encourage greater focus on the threat from the virus. Joe Grogan, head of the White House Domestic Policy Council warns that “dealing with the virus was likely to dominate life in the United States for many months.”
January 28, 2020: Two former Trump administration officials—Gottlieb and Borio—publish an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal imploring the president to “Act Now to Prevent an American Epidemic.” They advocate a 4-point plan to address the coming crisis:
January 30, 2020: Dr. James Hamblin publishes another warning about critical PPE materials in the Atlantic, titled “We Don’t Have Enough Masks.” At the time, it was clear that mask shortages would be a serious problem. Other countries coping with COVID-19 were already running short on masks and ordering them from America and, in addition, almost the entire CDC stockpile had been consumed during the 2009 flu season.
January 31, 2020: Trump puts into action a temporary travel ban on China. This decision has been the centerpiece of his claim to have responded to the coronavirus. But even here, the truth is somewhat different.
Tim Miller
May 2018:
- At an event marking the 100 year anniversary of the 1918 pandemic, Borio says “pandemic flu” is the “number 1 health security issue” and that the U.S. is not ready to respond.
- One day later her boss, Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer is pushed out of the administration and the global health security team is disbanded.
- Rep. Ami Bera warns that “Admiral Ziemer’s departure is deeply alarming, especially when the administration is actively working to cut funds that addressed past pandemics like Ebola.”
- Beth Cameron, former senior director for global health security on the National Security Council adds: “It is unclear in his absence who at the White House would be in charge of a pandemic,” Cameron said, calling it “a situation that should be immediately rectified.”
- Note: It was not.
- Page 17: “The increase in frequency and diversity of reported disease outbreaks—such as dengue and Zika—probably will continue through 2018, including the potential for a severe global health emergency that could lead to major economic and societal disruptions, strain governmental and international resources, and increase calls on the United States for support. A novel strain of a virulent microbe that is easily transmissible between humans continues to be a major threat, with pathogens such as H5N1 and H7N9 influenza and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus having pandemic potential if they were to acquire efficient human-to-human transmissibility.”
- Page 21: “We assess that the United States and the world will remain vulnerable to the next flu pandemic or large scale outbreak of a contagious disease that could lead to massive rates of death and disability, severely affect the world economy, strain international resources, and increase calls on the United States for support.”
January 3, 2020: The CDC is first alerted to a public health event in Wuhan, China (This fact was revealed publicly later by HHS Secretary Alex Azar.)
January 6, 2020: The CDC issues a travel notice for Wuhan due to the spreading coronavirus.
- Note: The Trump campaign claims that this marks the beginning of the federal government disease control experts becoming aware of the virus. It was 10 weeks from this point until the week of March 16 when Trump began to change his tone on the threat.
January 10, 2020: Former Trump Homeland Security Advisor Tom Bossert warns that we shouldn’t “jerk around with ego politics” because “we face a global health threat…Coordinate!”
January 18, 2020: After two weeks of attempts, HHS Secretary Alex Azar finally gets the chance to speak to Trump about the virus. The president redirects the conversation to vaping, according to the Washington Post.
January 20, 2020: First U.S. case is reported in Washington state.
January 21, 2020: Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Disease at the CDC tells reporters, “We do expect additional cases in the United States.”
January 27, 2020: Top White House aides meet with Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney to encourage greater focus on the threat from the virus. Joe Grogan, head of the White House Domestic Policy Council warns that “dealing with the virus was likely to dominate life in the United States for many months.”
January 28, 2020: Two former Trump administration officials—Gottlieb and Borio—publish an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal imploring the president to “Act Now to Prevent an American Epidemic.” They advocate a 4-point plan to address the coming crisis:
- (1) Expand testing to identify and isolate cases.
- Note: This did not happen for many weeks. The first time more than 2,000 tests were deployed in a single day was not until almost six weeks later, on March 11.
- (2) Boost flu vaccination efforts to reduce the load on hospitals.
- (3) Prepare hospital units for isolation with more gowns and masks.
- Note: There was no dramatic ramp-up in the production of critical supplies undertaken. As a result, many hospitals quickly experienced shortages of critical PPE materials.
- (4) Vaccine development.
January 30, 2020: Dr. James Hamblin publishes another warning about critical PPE materials in the Atlantic, titled “We Don’t Have Enough Masks.” At the time, it was clear that mask shortages would be a serious problem. Other countries coping with COVID-19 were already running short on masks and ordering them from America and, in addition, almost the entire CDC stockpile had been consumed during the 2009 flu season.
January 31, 2020: Trump puts into action a temporary travel ban on China. This decision has been the centerpiece of his claim to have responded to the coronavirus. But even here, the truth is somewhat different.
- Trump’s Chinese travel ban only banned “foreign nationals who had been in China in the last 14 days.” This wording did not—at all—stop people from arriving in America from China. In fact, for much of the crisis, flights from China landed in America almost daily filled with people who had been in China, but did not fit the category as Trump’s “travel ban” defined it.
Tim Miller
February 4, 2020: Gottlieb and Borio take to the WSJ again, this time to warn the president that “a pandemic seems inevitable” and call on the administration to dramatically expand testing, expand the number of labs for reviewing tests, and change the rules to allow for tests of people even if they don’t have a clear known risk factor.
February 5, 2020: Senator Chris Murphy tweets:
Chris Murphy
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https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1225073987639705600
Just left the Administration briefing on Coronavirus. Bottom line: they aren't taking this seriously enough.
Notably, no request for ANY emergency funding, which is a big mistake. Local health systems need supplies, training, screening staff etc. And they need it now.
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February 12, 2020: Gottlieb (remember, he’s the former head of Trump’s FDA) testifies before Congress that actions must be taken to address medical supply chain issues and the possibility of shortages.
February 20, 2020: Borio and Gottlieb write in the Wall Street Journal that tests must be ramped up immediately “while we can intervene to stop spread.”
February 24, 2020: The Trump administration sends a letter to Congress requesting a small dollar amount—between $1.8 billion and $2.5 billion—to help combat the spread of the coronavirus. This is, of course, a pittance compared to the massive recovery package still being debated at the time of this writing. At the time the administration was widely criticized by members of Congress for not going big enough to deal with the problem.
February 25, 2020: Messonier says she expects “community spread” of the virus in the United States and that “disruption to everyday life might be severe.” Trump is reportedly furious and Messonier’s warnings are curtailed in the ensuing weeks.
February 26, 2020: Congress, recognizing the coming threat, offers to give the administration $6 billion more than Trump asked for in order to prepare for the virus.
Tim Miller
- Note: Some of these recommendations were eventually implemented—25 days later.
February 5, 2020: Senator Chris Murphy tweets:
Chris Murphy
✔@ChrisMurphyCT
https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1225073987639705600
Just left the Administration briefing on Coronavirus. Bottom line: they aren't taking this seriously enough.
Notably, no request for ANY emergency funding, which is a big mistake. Local health systems need supplies, training, screening staff etc. And they need it now.
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February 12, 2020: Gottlieb (remember, he’s the former head of Trump’s FDA) testifies before Congress that actions must be taken to address medical supply chain issues and the possibility of shortages.
February 20, 2020: Borio and Gottlieb write in the Wall Street Journal that tests must be ramped up immediately “while we can intervene to stop spread.”
- It’s important to understand that the Trump campaign brags about the fact that the administration lifted CDC restrictions on tests. This is a factually true statement.
- But it elides that fact that they did so on March 3—two critical weeks after the third Borio/Gottlieb op-ed on the topic, during which time the window for intervention had shrunk to a pinhole.
February 24, 2020: The Trump administration sends a letter to Congress requesting a small dollar amount—between $1.8 billion and $2.5 billion—to help combat the spread of the coronavirus. This is, of course, a pittance compared to the massive recovery package still being debated at the time of this writing. At the time the administration was widely criticized by members of Congress for not going big enough to deal with the problem.
February 25, 2020: Messonier says she expects “community spread” of the virus in the United States and that “disruption to everyday life might be severe.” Trump is reportedly furious and Messonier’s warnings are curtailed in the ensuing weeks.
February 26, 2020: Congress, recognizing the coming threat, offers to give the administration $6 billion more than Trump asked for in order to prepare for the virus.
- Trump mocks Congress in a White House briefing, saying “If Congress wants to give us the money so easy—it wasn’t very easy for the wall, but we got that one done. If they want to give us the money, we’ll take the money.”
- Note: The wall did not get “done.” Trump never got sufficient funding for completion of his promised border wall and in any case, as of early February 2020, only 110 miles of new fencing had been constructed.
Tim Miller
March 3, 2020: Vice President Pence is asked about legislation encouraging companies to produce more masks. He says the Trump administration is “looking at it.”
March 7, 2020: Fox News host Tucker Carlson, flies to Mar-a-Lago to implore Trump to take the virus seriously in private rather than embarrass him on TV. Even after the private meeting, Trump continued to downplay the crisis, forcing Carlson to obliquely criticize him publicly on his show two nights later.
March 17, 2020: Facing continued shortages of the PPE equipment needed to prevent healthcare providers from succumbing to the virus, Oregon Senators Jeff Merkeley and Ron Wyden call on Trump to use the Defense Production Act to expand supply of medical equipment.
March 18, 2020: Trump signs the executive order to activate the Defense Production Act, but declines to use it. At the White House briefing he is asked about Senator Chuck Schumer’s call to urgently produce medical supplies and ventilators.
Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1241935285916782593
WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!
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March 24, 2020: Trump tells Fox News that he wants the country opened up by Easter Sunday (April 12).
Priya Gada contributed to this article.
Tim Miller
- Note: Recall that the concern about masks was raised publicly by high-profile former Trump appointees, on January 28.
March 7, 2020: Fox News host Tucker Carlson, flies to Mar-a-Lago to implore Trump to take the virus seriously in private rather than embarrass him on TV. Even after the private meeting, Trump continued to downplay the crisis, forcing Carlson to obliquely criticize him publicly on his show two nights later.
- Note: Carlson, after hearing from an expert with “access to intelligence” who was concerned about the virus began covering the issue on his show February 3rd, over a month prior to the private meeting.This is a good glimpse into how a competent populist might’ve acted.
- Trump says that developments are “good for the consumer” and compares COVID-19 favorably to the common flu.
March 17, 2020: Facing continued shortages of the PPE equipment needed to prevent healthcare providers from succumbing to the virus, Oregon Senators Jeff Merkeley and Ron Wyden call on Trump to use the Defense Production Act to expand supply of medical equipment.
March 18, 2020: Trump signs the executive order to activate the Defense Production Act, but declines to use it. At the White House briefing he is asked about Senator Chuck Schumer’s call to urgently produce medical supplies and ventilators.
- Trump responds: “Well we’re going to know whether or not it’s urgent.”
- Note: At this point 118 Americans had died from COVID-19.
Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1241935285916782593
WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!
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March 24, 2020: Trump tells Fox News that he wants the country opened up by Easter Sunday (April 12).
- Trump says, “You will have packed churches all over our country, I think it would be a beautiful time and it is just about the timeline that I think is right.”
- As Trump was speaking to Fox, there were 52,145 confirmed cases in the United States and the doubling time for daily new cases was roughly four days.
- The pace of the viral spread was increasing.
- Testing was still in the process of ramping up, and unavailable in many areas.
- Doctors were still “desperate” for masks and other basic PPE supplies.
Priya Gada contributed to this article.
Tim Miller
How do you have a “ mountain of tests” on a previously unknown virus?
This is the second time at least you’ve mentioned this playbook. So you also know that since then there were 2 other procedures produced. The latter one was followed by the administration.
Amazing that this playbook didn’t exist in 2016.
In normal times, they're just called "rubberneckers".
Damn it, Levi. Ya gotta stop.
I've already raided my stash. New Belgium Voodoo Ranger Imperial IPA (9%) is dwindling. Our dog is barking at me again.
Stop. Please stop.
Glad to know you think UBI isn’t socialism. Will archive this post for future use.
UBI absolutely is socialism. A one time check is not. Comparing the two is so moronic that its hard to believe its being said by somebody
This is a well thought out idea. I mean if the economy wasn't strong enough for a complete country wide shut down and 3+ million people filing for unemployment within a few days. I think that's a pretty strong indication that the economy really was never that strong to begin with...
Did he succeed? No. So there was no point other than trying to get people in close proximity to risk transmitting the virus to each other. What a TDA.
Only an imbecile Demosocialcommunist liberal would use that logic. Yeah, all Demosocialcommunist liberals use that logic....
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Off the hook? 99%+ were for it. If you didn't favor it, speak out. How's that so hard? Massie did. Anyone else? If not, just how is off the hook? You telling me Trump wouldn't be blamed for what goes wrong anyway? LMAO. What the f-ing joke is is Massie & those that enjoy d!cking with people for no reason.
That be true about Dims & media who attribute that to Trump, but their dance goes on & on. Soon they'll believe their lie. Maybe even do now.
You think his point was to get people in close proximity to transmit the virus?
They didn’t vote because it’s an election year, and it would have put certain members in a weakened position to cast a vote for or against. That’s the reason.
McCain, Romney, and Massie. (Almost Graham...the book is still in review.)
You don’t seem to understand that no representative will have actually voted on it, on record. In an election year that type of vote can sway the House one way or the other, only no one voted.
Why didn’t they move it Thursday? What was the reason they sat on it an entire day? I’ll tell you why, because it gave members time to get the hell out of dodge before they moved it Friday.
Here are some interesting statistics for the cluckers and cawers who are HOPING that weather will not have an effect on their precious virus- all the Worldmeterinfo stats are based on a rate per million residents. I was surprised by these statistics because many prophets of doom have recently gloated about the Indonesians and Thais were getting HAMMERED by this virus, and how weather is irrelevant. Let's start by looking at nations with a climate that creates a bad flu season.
USA- 364.
Italy- 1,529 (note that the most affected part of Italy, Lombardy, has a winter climate comparable to Kentucky or Ohio)
Spain- 1, 566 (note that the disproportionately effected Madrid area climate is comparable to North Texas in the winter, which is not quite tropical).
Switzerland- 1,626
It goes on and on.
Now, let's compare selected tropical nations, all of whom are VERY close to China, and have had much more movement to and from China, compared to Western nations, prior to the knowledge of the pandemic. Note that the first evidence of the pandemic is often PRIOR to the European nations who are getting hammered- it's not that these places just were just one places to get hit this with this flu.
Malaysia- 72
Philippines- 10
Indonesia- 4
Thailand- 18
Vietnam- 2
The most logical explanation for this discrepancy? Look at a map and look at latitude. It could argued the numbers reflect social distancing and cultures that accept societal instructions. Numbers for Brazil and Mexico, two nations who are not advocating social distancing to any extent, are respectively 18 per million and 7 per million.
USA- 364.
Italy- 1,529 (note that the most affected part of Italy, Lombardy, has a winter climate comparable to Kentucky or Ohio)
Spain- 1, 566 (note that the disproportionately effected Madrid area climate is comparable to North Texas in the winter, which is not quite tropical).
Switzerland- 1,626
It goes on and on.
Now, let's compare selected tropical nations, all of whom are VERY close to China, and have had much more movement to and from China, compared to Western nations, prior to the knowledge of the pandemic. Note that the first evidence of the pandemic is often PRIOR to the European nations who are getting hammered- it's not that these places just were just one places to get hit this with this flu.
Malaysia- 72
Philippines- 10
Indonesia- 4
Thailand- 18
Vietnam- 2
The most logical explanation for this discrepancy? Look at a map and look at latitude. It could argued the numbers reflect social distancing and cultures that accept societal instructions. Numbers for Brazil and Mexico, two nations who are not advocating social distancing to any extent, are respectively 18 per million and 7 per million.
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I have started to wear mittens everywhere I go. I also tie my arms to my side.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...CkCIphdaGiI23BxfISFUrIQvLXjGZK1XNMI3XiGZwGNY0
Response of Trump Administration has been impressive.
Response of Trump Administration has been impressive.
I have no idea how many tests have been conducted in either country, and neither do you. Here are the death numbers- 68 in the Philippines and 102 in Indonesia, with a death rate per million of 0.6 and 0.4, compared to a death of 166 per million in Italy and 4 per million to the world at large.
And when I keep noticing that the Corona cheerleaders, against all data, insist that warmer weather will not affect the spread, what other conclusion is there than to think that they are actually cheering for the virus? All because of politics- disgusting. Well, not just politics from the Left- also germaphobes, hoarders/preppers, and assorted hypochrondriacs from all political walks of the spectrum. And also people that are scared to death and want everyone else to be equally scared so it's the instinct to gloom and doom.
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March 3, 2020: Vice President Pence is asked about legislation encouraging companies to produce more masks. He says the Trump administration is “looking at it.”
March 4, 2020: HHS says they only have 1 percent of respirator masks needed if the virus became a “full-blown pandemic.”
- Note: Recall that the concern about masks was raised publicly by high-profile former Trump appointees, on January 28.
March 7, 2020: Fox News host Tucker Carlson, flies to Mar-a-Lago to implore Trump to take the virus seriously in private rather than embarrass him on TV. Even after the private meeting, Trump continued to downplay the crisis, forcing Carlson to obliquely criticize him publicly on his show two nights later.
March 9, 2020: Tom Bossert, Trump’s former Homeland Security adviser, publishes an op-ed saying it is “now or never” to act. He advocates for social distancing and school closures to slow the spread of the contagion.
- Note: Carlson, after hearing from an expert with “access to intelligence” who was concerned about the virus began covering the issue on his show February 3rd, over a month prior to the private meeting.This is a good glimpse into how a competent populist might’ve acted.
March 16, 2020: Trump announces his support for a 15-day period of social distancing in order to slow the spread of coronavirus.
- Trump says that developments are “good for the consumer” and compares COVID-19 favorably to the common flu.
March 17, 2020: Facing continued shortages of the PPE equipment needed to prevent healthcare providers from succumbing to the virus, Oregon Senators Jeff Merkeley and Ron Wyden call on Trump to use the Defense Production Act to expand supply of medical equipment.
March 18, 2020: Trump signs the executive order to activate the Defense Production Act, but declines to use it. At the White House briefing he is asked about Senator Chuck Schumer’s call to urgently produce medical supplies and ventilators.
March 22, 2020: Six days after calling for a 15-day period of distancing, Trump tweets that this approach “may be worse than the problem itself.”
- Trump responds: “Well we’re going to know whether or not it’s urgent.”
- Note: At this point 118 Americans had died from COVID-19.
Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump
WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!
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March 24, 2020: Trump tells Fox News that he wants the country opened up by Easter Sunday (April 12).
Update, March 26, 2020, 10:48 a.m.: The article has been updated to include the revelation that the Trump administration had been given a “Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents” in 2017.
- Trump says, “You will have packed churches all over our country, I think it would be a beautiful time and it is just about the timeline that I think is right.”
- As Trump was speaking to Fox, there were 52,145 confirmed cases in the United States and the doubling time for daily new cases was roughly four days.
- The pace of the viral spread was increasing.
- Testing was still in the process of ramping up, and unavailable in many areas.
- Doctors were still “desperate” for masks and other basic PPE supplies.
Priya Gada contributed to this article.
Tim Miller
Sign me up you won me over. Who do you want me to vote for? Just tell me who can run the country and I’ll vote for them. Who is it??
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