Schiff's witness is making Trump's case. The only bit of firsthand information he had was about Burisma and Biden. Boomerang.
See this is where you lose me. You say this is all a political hit job (basically taking the cynical approach to this), but then taking the totally uncynical, rose tinted glasses to the nth degree, view that Trump did not intend to hurt Biden politically with all of this.
It's inconsistent logic.
So who is Gorila a sock account for?This is why I called you a HACK.
So who is Gorila a sock account for?
Now how would one show Biden is a crook?
Well, last night he was UKvisitor
Again, you have no substance. Every time I ask anyone to refute anything I say, they never give me a straight answer. If the answers are so straight forward, you tell me.
My claims come from Trump's actions and statements.
Has he not asked for the impeachment trial to end? Has he not been ordering staff members not to comply with Congress? Has he not refused to turn over his tax returns to prosecutors? Did he not fire Comey? Does he not constantly attempt to discredit people (never Trumper)? Did the DOJ not fight the courts to prevent the redactions from being made available to Congress?
These are things that happened or are currently happening, they're not debunked. You're the one assigning partisan meaning to it. I could give a shit less about Democrats or Republicans. I'm just saying, objectively, his behavior looks shady AF.
Well I can tell you a way that's highly unethical and could get you impeached...
Or you could, you know, just go through the legal channels that are already available. The freaking DOJ head is literally your lackey as President. If they had evidence, they should have started their investigation there.
I don't think you're genuine in your claims, but you aren't gonna find much non partisan political conversation here. There are a few people who I don't mind engaging, but for the most part this place is for highly partisan supporters to repost memes, twitter links, and agree with each other. Gassy is hilarious if you give him a chance. Once a month I get drunk and just sit back and enjoy his work.
Why don't you think I'm genuine? Are we really that lost that nobody can think for themselves?
I know, it's a lost cause. I just wish people could see past this partisanship and see that what benefits politicians doesn't always benefit us. Just because Trump claims immunity from all crimes, doesn't mean it's healthy that any one citizen has that kind of power.
And it doesn't just go for Trump either. We had a President in the 90s who is practically choking in the amount of smoke he's generated.
Exactly. He makes these outrageous claims with not a single bit of evidence. Yet seeing Joe Biden on tv. Taped. Bragging. About quid pro quo.I don't think you're genuine in your claims
The streets and underpasses of LA, San Francisco and other major cities is littered with thousands of them.Gotcha. How many people do you estimate “just won’t work” in America? As in, it’s their mission to never work and just live off the government for the entirety of their adult existence.
I'm making about 18K more per year today than I was the day he took office. And I haven't had to change jobs to make that.Who here is the BIG monetary winners since Trump has been in office?
Not me.
Was it you?
He asked the Ukraine to work with Barr. Which is exactly what you said he should do.
What specifically are you saying is unethical? Please cite your claims.
He didn't just ask Ukraine. He specifically tied aid to that investigation. Whether or not he is guilty, Biden is a political opponent of Trump's. Saying otherwise is disingenuous.
But even if he did just "ask Ukraine", according to the law, a politician cannot solicit anything of value from a foreign national in connection to an election. Regardless of intent, you cannot tell me that Ukraine publicly investigating Biden would not be "of value" to Trump's election's efforts.
"Prohibition It shall be unlawful for—
foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national."
Exactly. He makes these outrageous claims with not a single bit of evidence. Yet seeing Joe Biden on tv. Taped. Bragging. About quid pro quo.
Insanity
Hey bud, the transcript of the ukraine call is out if you want to read it, fyi.![]()
He didn't just ask Ukraine. He specifically tied aid to that investigation
Yes, he asked for a favor. That's illegal.
Is a favor something of value?
Is Zelensky a foreign national?
Would Ukraine publicly investigating Burisma benefit Trump's reelection bid?
Where's the source for that? Because the Ukraine president says otherwise
You basing that bullshit on 3rd party hearsay that was sourced back to a NYT article.
There was no quid pro quo. This has been beaten to the ground on here.
Ummmm....your quote doesn't fit the definition.Quid Pro Quo: "a favor or advantage granted or expected in return for something."
Trump: 'I would like you to do us a favor'
Lol wtf? I've been a member of UK message boards for literally over a decade. I even paid for freaking Marc Maggard's "life subscription." I just lurk mostly.
Why does everything have to be a conspiracy. I'm just a normal dude who is tired of alligator tears and the "my team" jerk circling. Just wanted to speak my peace.
Relax, I'll probably get bored and go back to lurking.
Ummmm....your quote doesn't fit the definition.
Asking for a favor means jack shit if it isnt predicated on getting something in return.
What favor was he asking? And where is aid tied to it?Quid Pro Quo: "a favor or advantage granted or expected in return for something."
Trump: 'I would like you to do us a favor'
Exactly. Where in that transcript was Trump asking for the return?
Dude, the guy that wrote that tweet is a Harvard grad, Yale Law grad and was Trump's pick for United States Solicitor General but turned it down.Jesus Christ you are literally insane lol.
I try not to engage idiots too often, but you are lying through your ****ing teeth if you say Trump tied aid to investigating Biden. The MSM or Schiff (don’t remember whom) had to delete hundreds of words in the call transcript to make that connection.He didn't just ask Ukraine. He specifically tied aid to that investigation. Whether or not he is guilty, Biden is a political opponent of Trump's. Saying otherwise is disingenuous.
But even if he did just "ask Ukraine", according to the law, a politician cannot solicit anything of value from a foreign national in connection to an election. Regardless of intent, you cannot tell me that Ukraine publicly investigating Biden would not be "of value" to Trump's election's efforts.
"Prohibition It shall be unlawful for—
foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national."
Another lunacy that came out of the show. Callers who claimed to be Republicans, NRA members and conservative say they are now on the Matt Jones bandwagon and will support his run for office. What a farce.
What favor was he asking? And where is aid tied to it?
Wanna bet? Oh wait...Dude, the guy that wrote that tweet is a Harvard grad, Yale Law grad and was Trump's pick for United States Solicitor General but turned it down.
But you think you know the law better...I think we know who the insane one is here and it isn't me.