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How will they rule ??!

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    Votes: 41 82.0%
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    Votes: 9 18.0%

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Wrong. He never said that. He said if they had determined Trump had not committed a crime, they would have said that. He also said they didn’t determine whether the President committed a crime. Carefully chosen words by someone who probably thinks he did something but can’t prove it.

Carefully chosen words meant to further fuel the coup fire while not flat-out lying. These are the words of someone who doesn't want to accept defeat but can't win based on the game that was played.
 
You're ignoring what they've said about why they didn't make a traditional prosecutorial judgement. The DOJ's position on not indicting a sitting president forbade them from charging him, not a lack of evidence.
Wrong again. There was nothing to charge him with or anyone else- why do you think not one American citizen was indicted for collusion or obstruction? Mueller clearly said others could have been charged pursuant to his power if the evidence was there. Guess what? Not one American was indicted for either.
 
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No, in fact he said they didn’t make a determination on if Trump committed a crime.
Directly from the statement today, "The order appointing the special counsel authorized us to investigate actions that could obstruct the investigation. And we conducted that investigation and we kept the office of the acting attorney general apprised of the progress of our work. And as set forth in the report after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime. The introduction to the volume two of our report explains that decision. It explains that under long-standing department policy, a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that too is prohibited. The special counsel's office is part of the Department of Justice and by regulation it was bound by that department policy. Charging the president with a crime was, therefore, not an option we could consider."

Mueller said today the only reason they didn't charge him was because they couldn't. Just like he said in the report at the time.

Wrong. He never said that. He said if they had determined Trump had not committed a crime, they would have said that. He also said they didn’t determine whether the President committed a crime. Carefully chosen words by someone who probably thinks he did something but can’t prove it.
Read it yourself man.

Wrong again. There was nothing to charge him with or anyone else- why do you think not one American citizen was indicted for collusion or obstruction? Mueller clearly said others could have been charged pursuant to his power if the evidence was there. Guess what? Not one American was indicted for either.
No American was charged for obstruction because the President is the one who committed obstruction of justice and he cannot be charged.
 
China says it will cease shipments of rare metals to the US if Trump doesn't back down from trade deal threats. For those of you to stupid to comprehend the wieght of that threat. We import 85% from China and they produce 75% of the world's supply and do 90% of the refining. We have only 1 mine in California that sometimes is used because it destroys the surrounding area to mine. Malaysia has been working to shut down their mine because it's destroying the surrounding ecosystem. Every piece of tech cannot be made without these minerals and oil production cannot happen without a stable supply. Probably over half of our economy relies on these minerals. And in reality all of our economy does because the other half cannot function without tech and energy. China also doesn't make this as an empty threat, they have ceased shipments to other countries to win these kind of fights.
False.
 
Directly from the statement today, "The order appointing the special counsel authorized us to investigate actions that could obstruct the investigation. And we conducted that investigation and we kept the office of the acting attorney general apprised of the progress of our work. And as set forth in the report after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime. The introduction to the volume two of our report explains that decision. It explains that under long-standing department policy, a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that too is prohibited. The special counsel's office is part of the Department of Justice and by regulation it was bound by that department policy. Charging the president with a crime was, therefore, not an option we could consider."

Mueller said today the only reason they didn't charge him was because they couldn't. Just like he said in the report at the time.


Read it yourself man.
Show me in that statement where he said Trump committed obstruction. Underline it. It isn’t there.
 
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And know what it would take to do that? Socialism. There is no money to make in it. Every company that tried in the US went bankrupt. So Congress would have to pump billions in subsidies to guarantee prices and build out infrastructure. It would essentially be a nationalized industry. Which I am not against. Should have happened long ago. And it can quickly be paid for by ending all oil and coal subsidies.

And there it is folks. SOCIALISM.
 
Show me in that statement where he said Trump committed obstruction. Underline it. It isn’t there.
"The order appointing the special counsel authorized us to investigate actions that could obstruct the investigation. And we conducted that investigation and we kept the office of the acting attorney general apprised of the progress of our work. And as set forth in the report after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime. The introduction to the volume two of our report explains that decision. It explains that under long-standing department policy, a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that too is prohibited. The special counsel's office is part of the Department of Justice and by regulation it was bound by that department policy. Charging the president with a crime was, therefore, not an option we could consider."

I don't know why I have to bold it for you in the same quote I just posted...
 
Sounds like Mueller stated, as does the report, that if Trump were not President he would be indicted.

As easily as you dismiss what was stated, it should be noted that Mueller could have stood at the podium and cleared Trump, as Barr stated the report did. Mueller didn’t clear Trump. Mueller could’ve erased the doubt that Trump did anything, he didn’t. Instead, in English, on television, he states: “...if we had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that.” What?

Also Mueller restated that we knew what Russia did concerning the election. And spoke to having to investigate obstruction of the dang investigation. Who would do such a thing?
That is not what he said but, that is what far left loons heard. Simple fact.
 
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I was mocking you for claiming a race was close based on popular vote, when she would have had to have flipped 3 key races to win. Not counting the fact that she won New Hampshire, Maine, Nevada, and Minnesota by fewer votes than Trump won Pennsylvania so you'd also have to completely ignore her close margin of victory
Well those state together don't have the vote totals of PA alone, so of course the vote totals are closely. You think you have a point with that? Of those, only NH's % total was closer than the PA vote %. Mock all you want, but you need a mirror.
 
Directly from the statement today, "The order appointing the special counsel authorized us to investigate actions that could obstruct the investigation. And we conducted that investigation and we kept the office of the acting attorney general apprised of the progress of our work. And as set forth in the report after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime. The introduction to the volume two of our report explains that decision. It explains that under long-standing department policy, a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that too is prohibited. The special counsel's office is part of the Department of Justice and by regulation it was bound by that department policy. Charging the president with a crime was, therefore, not an option we could consider."

Mueller said today the only reason they didn't charge him was because they couldn't. Just like he said in the report at the time.


Read it yourself man.


No American was charged for obstruction because the President is the one who committed obstruction of justice and he cannot be charged.

I just heard the man say they didn’t determine if Trump committed a crime. I heard him say it from fis mouth, today.
 
"The order appointing the special counsel authorized us to investigate actions that could obstruct the investigation. And we conducted that investigation and we kept the office of the acting attorney general apprised of the progress of our work. And as set forth in the report after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime. The introduction to the volume two of our report explains that decision. It explains that under long-standing department policy, a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that too is prohibited. The special counsel's office is part of the Department of Justice and by regulation it was bound by that department policy. Charging the president with a crime was, therefore, not an option we could consider."

I don't know why I have to bold it for you in the same quote I just posted...
You cant be this stupid. Him saying he cant say Trump didn’t commit a crime doesn’t mean he committed one. All he had to do was say- TRUMP COMMITTED OBSTRUCTION. He couldn’t make that statement. He also stated, which you conveniently left out, WE DID NOT MAKE THE DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE PRESIDENT DID COMMIT A CRIME.
 
China says it will cease shipments of rare metals to the US if Trump doesn't back down from trade deal threats. For those of you to stupid to comprehend the wieght of that threat. We import 85% from China and they produce 75% of the world's supply and do 90% of the refining. We have only 1 mine in California that sometimes is used because it destroys the surrounding area to mine. Malaysia has been working to shut down their mine because it's destroying the surrounding ecosystem. Every piece of tech cannot be made without these minerals and oil production cannot happen without a stable supply. Probably over half of our economy relies on these minerals. And in reality all of our economy does because the other half cannot function without tech and energy. China also doesn't make this as an empty threat, they have ceased shipments to other countries to win these kind of fights.
As if the US will kowtow to China with Trump in charge. Obama? Now he'd have already caved long ago - and happily. LOL.
 
Well those state together don't have the vote totals of PA alone, so of course the vote totals are closely. You think you have a point with that? Of those, only NH's % total was closer than the PA vote %. Mock all you want, but you need a mirror.
Popular vote means dick
 
I just heard the man say they didn’t determine if Trump committed a crime. I heard him say it from fis mouth, today.
Because they couldn't as prohibited by DoJ rule. Otherwise they would have. So they gave it to the appropriate constitutional agent, Congress.
 
You cant be this stupid. Him saying he cant say Trump didn’t commit a crime doesn’t mean he committed one. All he had to do was say- TRUMP COMMITTED OBSTRUCTION. He couldn’t make that statement. He also stated, which you conveniently left out, WE DID NOT MAKE THE DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE PRESIDENT DID COMMIT A CRIME.
He couldn't make that statement because of the DoJ rule. That's why it's bolded in the quote for you...
 
He could have easily made the simple statement- Trump committed obstruction. He never said it.
No he couldn't. That's what he said in the statement today and the report at the time. That's why he made today's statement, to clear up misunderstandings about the limitations he was under. "The special counsel's office is part of the Department of Justice and by regulation it was bound by that department policy. Charging the president with a crime was, therefore, not an option we could consider." Read it yourself I've posted it twice.
 
No he couldn't. That's what he said in the statement today and the report at the time. That's why he made today's statement, to clear up misunderstandings about the limitations he was under. Read it yourself I've posted it twice.
He was under no limitations to state Trump obstructed. What he couldn’t do was act on his finding if he felt that way.
 
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Lol! Wrong again. Just because he couldn’t act on it, doesn’t mean he couldn’t make the statement. After all, he made it unequivocally clear- there was no collusion.
Yes
Mueller could have said that he would have recommended charges if it were constitutional. He didn’t
 
So when Obama was doing all that heinous shit that made you hate him....were the Democrats acting like you guys are right now?

Dismissive?

Shifting blame?

Bringing up DEEP STATE conspiracy theories?

You guys have acknowledged time and time again that Trump is a slimeball “outsider” who’s willing to go against the norm and is known to “punch back 10x harder” when attacked.

If that’s the case, why can’t you acknowledge that he probably, whether knowingly or not, did some dirt in an effort to win or appear legitimate? Seems pretty logical to me, given Trump’s lack of attention to detail and his ego-driven motives.

OH, speaking of ego...

Barack Obama is the most narcissistic president of all time, right?

I’m a libertarian.
 
One thing you liberals cant deny- Mueller clearly stated today there was not sufficient evidence to make a charge of collusion with Russia. Which was the entire purpose of this horseshit witch hunt from the start.
 
Making the statement and acting on it are two different things. How you don’t see that clearly reflects you are blind to the facts on purpose.
He addressed that in the report, "The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment." He made the statement you're looking for. They would "need to resolve" those issues if they had been able to legally.
 
So when Obama was doing all that heinous shit that made you hate him....were the Democrats acting like you guys are right now?

Dismissive?

Shifting blame?

Bringing up DEEP STATE conspiracy theories?

You guys have acknowledged time and time again that Trump is a slimeball “outsider” who’s willing to go against the norm and is known to “punch back 10x harder” when attacked.

If that’s the case, why can’t you acknowledge that he probably, whether knowingly or not, did some dirt in an effort to win or appear legitimate? Seems pretty logical to me, given Trump’s lack of attention to detail and his ego-driven motives.

OH, speaking of ego...

Barack Obama is the most narcissistic president of all time, right?

I’m a libertarian.
When Barack and Hillary are tried for treason, found guilty of treason and then executed live on national television, then the country can have closure.
 
He addressed that in the report, "The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment." He made the statement you're looking for. They would "need to resolve" those issues if they had been able to legally.
You keep beating around the bush. Lol. He never said Trump obstructed no matter how you try to fit a round peg in a square hole. And you cant hide from the fact he clearly said there was no sufficient evidence of collusion with Russia- which was the reason for this mess.
 
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He was under no limitations to state Trump obstructed. What he couldn’t do was act on his finding if he felt that way.
Again, from today's statement, "It would be unfair to potentially, it would be unfair to potentially accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no court resolution of the actual charge." He made the statement you're looking for in as plain terms as he was legally able.
 
Directly from the statement today, "The order appointing the special counsel authorized us to investigate actions that could obstruct the investigation. And we conducted that investigation and we kept the office of the acting attorney general apprised of the progress of our work. And as set forth in the report after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime. The introduction to the volume two of our report explains that decision. It explains that under long-standing department policy, a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that too is prohibited. The special counsel's office is part of the Department of Justice and by regulation it was bound by that department policy. Charging the president with a crime was, therefore, not an option we could consider."

Mueller said today the only reason they didn't charge him was because they couldn't. Just like he said in the report at the time.


Read it yourself man.


No American was charged for obstruction because the President is the one who committed obstruction of justice and he cannot be charged.
It clearly states they did not find the president did commit a crime. Trump, or anyone else, does not have to prove their innocence. The prosecution has to prove guilt.
 
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Directly from the statement today, "The order appointing the special counsel authorized us to investigate actions that could obstruct the investigation. And we conducted that investigation and we kept the office of the acting attorney general apprised of the progress of our work. And as set forth in the report after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime. The introduction to the volume two of our report explains that decision. It explains that under long-standing department policy, a president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view, that too is prohibited. The special counsel's office is part of the Department of Justice and by regulation it was bound by that department policy. Charging the president with a crime was, therefore, not an option we could consider."

Mueller said today the only reason they didn't charge him was because they couldn't. Just like he said in the report at the time.


Read it yourself man.


No American was charged for obstruction because the President is the one who committed obstruction of justice and he cannot be charged.
He didn’t commit obstruction and Mueller never said he did.
 
It clearly states they did not find the president did commit a crime. Trump, or anyone else, does not have to prove their innocence. The prosecution has to prove guilt.
He was not able to make a traditional prosecutional judgement like you're referring to because of the standing DoJ rule. Not because they found he didn't commit a crime. In fact the opposite.
 
If that’s the case, then why was there an investigation?
To put the facts before Congress for the appropriate constitutional process. It's been stated repeatedly in both the report itself and today's statement. "the opinion says that the Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing."
 
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