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How will they rule ??!

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No, Brazil and Vietnam mine large amounts as well.
You just said the US doesn’t look long term, and then act as if 10 years is too long to even attempt to start refining? Which is it.

I guarantee that if shit hit the fan we could start refining far sooner than 10 years.
And know what it would take to do that? Socialism. There is no money to make in it. Every company that tried in the US went bankrupt. So Congress would have to pump billions in subsidies to guarantee prices and build out infrastructure. It would essentially be a nationalized industry. Which I am not against. Should have happened long ago. And it can quickly be paid for by ending all oil and coal subsidies.
 
Rep. Nadler: "Given that Special Counsel Mueller was unable to pursue criminal charges against the President, it falls to Congress to respond to the crimes, lies and other wrongdoing of President Trump – and we will do so. No one, not even the President of the United States, is above the law."

Now do Obama.
Then do Hillary.
 
Brazil and Vietnam also have large reserves of rare earth. Sounds like a helluva chance to start a new refining operation in the US.

Openly siding with a Communist regime that is growing militarily is not a good look Platinum.
While DT is POTUS, plat will cheer on NK threats, hurricanes, China trade threats, bird flu, Russian hacking, markets crashing, zika....anything to allow shitposting catpaw with Vox talking points.
 
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I swear, Biden needs an earpiece connected to one of his security personnel that tells him in his ear to "slowly remove your hands from the child and put them behind your back."
 
And know what it would take to do that? Socialism. There is no money to make in it. Every company that tried in the US went bankrupt. So Congress would have to pump billions in subsidies to guarantee prices and build out infrastructure. It would essentially be a nationalized industry. Which I am not against. Should have happened long ago. And it can quickly be paid for by ending all oil and coal subsidies.

You just stated we handed it off because it wa dirty? So in reality the Govt put so much restriction on it here, that companies couldn’t afford to refine it? Similar to coal, but by god we’ll let China do it, and buy it from them. I’ll bet I know which dipshit party was in favor of that.
If everything depends on rare earth in some form or fashion then there is a market for it.
 
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China says it will cease shipments of rare metals to the US if Trump doesn't back down from trade deal threats. For those of you to stupid to comprehend the wieght of that threat. We import 85% from China and they produce 75% of the world's supply and do 90% of the refining. We have only 1 mine in California that sometimes is used because it destroys the surrounding area to mine. Malaysia has been working to shut down their mine because it's destroying the surrounding ecosystem. Every piece of tech cannot be made without these minerals and oil production cannot happen without a stable supply. Probably over half of our economy relies on these minerals. And in reality all of our economy does because the other half cannot function without tech and energy. China also doesn't make this as an empty threat, they have ceased shipments to other countries to win these kind of fights.

I've read where NK allegedly has an untapped rare earth metal supply in their mountains. Maybe not such a bad idea to try and make friends with them.

South America and Africa have some as well.

For every action China has, we have one as well. Let them go ahead and stop selling something that makes them a bunch of money.

Rest assured if China shuts us off, we'll find away to obtain them from somebody else.

This is the price of being so dependent on China over the years, as well has having environmental standards that they clearly do not have. I'm surprised liberals are so hell bent on making nice and doing business with country that is reckless with the environment.

And know what it would take to do that? Socialism. There is no money to make in it. Every company that tried in the US went bankrupt. So Congress would have to pump billions in subsidies to guarantee prices and build out infrastructure. It would essentially be a nationalized industry. Which I am not against. Should have happened long ago. And it can quickly be paid for by ending all oil and coal subsidies.

Oil and coal subsidies wouldn't be the only things that the gov. would have to cut off.

But I am all for cleaning out the budget to make way for other more useful things. It wouldn't just be some belt tightening on both sides of the aisle, but major liposuction and stomach stapling. I wouldn't hold my breath for pubs or libs being willing to cough up some of their top expenditures.
 
POTUS obstructed the investigation of a crime that did not happen with obstruction that did not obstruct. I guess the new standard is guilty until proven innocent.

I say Mueller is half a bubble off plum if he really believes this!
This is exactly what Mueller is saying. The standard is guilty until proven innocent of something no one defines as a crime. Mueller knows he is muddying the water and does so with an agenda. He wants Trump and for two years could not come up with anything. So muddy the water and tell congress to do it. Evidence may be lacking but who cares. Just get Trump out of there Mueller is hoping.
 
This is exactly what Mueller is saying. The standard is guilty until proven innocent of something no one defines as a crime. Mueller knows he is muddying the water and does so with an agenda. He wants Trump and for two years could not come up with anything. So muddy the water and tell congress to do it. Evidence may be lacking but who cares. Just get Trump out of there Mueller is hoping.

It’s also telling that Mueller won’t testify, and the Dems are pushing him to.

Barr is telling the truth, and can back it up which would put Mueller in a precarious situation. Admit that you had nothing and concurred with Barr prior to release or lie under oath.

Also, you can bet that the IG report is about to come out. This press conference stating things we already knew was meant to give the media and Dems counter talking points.
 
It’s also telling that Mueller won’t testify, and the Dems are pushing him to.

Barr is telling the truth, and can back it up which would put Mueller in a precarious situation. Admit that you had nothing and concurred with Barr prior to release or lie under oath.

Also, you can bet that the IG report is about to come out. This press conference stating things we already knew was meant to give the media and Dems counter talking points.
Amen, and they will run with it. I would like for him to testify also because there are things he has omitted from his report that clear Trump and he would have to lie under oath or come clean. He doesn't want to face the Republicans on the committee. The Dems have what they want now because Mueller threw them a bone. Now they can investigate and claim crimes without any evidence.
 
Sounds like Mueller stated, as does the report, that if Trump were not President he would be indicted.

As easily as you dismiss what was stated, it should be noted that Mueller could have stood at the podium and cleared Trump, as Barr stated the report did. Mueller didn’t clear Trump. Mueller could’ve erased the doubt that Trump did anything, he didn’t. Instead, in English, on television, he states: “...if we had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that.” What?

Also Mueller restated that we knew what Russia did concerning the election. And spoke to having to investigate obstruction of the dang investigation. Who would do such a thing?
 
I swear, Biden needs an earpiece connected to one of his security personnel that tells him in his ear to "slowly remove your hands from the child and put them behind your back."
At this point with him already being called out on his behavior to the point of it harming his election chances, and him continuing to do it, you have to think that this is a deeper condition that he needs therapy to get under control. There's something clearly wrong with him.
 
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China says it will cease shipments of rare metals to the US if Trump doesn't back down from trade deal threats. For those of you to stupid to comprehend the wieght of that threat. We import 85% from China and they produce 75% of the world's supply and do 90% of the refining. We have only 1 mine in California that sometimes is used because it destroys the surrounding area to mine. Malaysia has been working to shut down their mine because it's destroying the surrounding ecosystem. Every piece of tech cannot be made without these minerals and oil production cannot happen without a stable supply. Probably over half of our economy relies on these minerals. And in reality all of our economy does because the other half cannot function without tech and energy. China also doesn't make this as an empty threat, they have ceased shipments to other countries to win these kind of fights.

According to David Shuh, Senior Staff Scientist at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California,
"China recognised the opportunity 30 to 40 years ago and wanted to be the world's number one supplier of rare-earth elements". "So each decade they took a step closer to becoming the major player and like any monopoly they started to run up the price. It has happened before with other minerals and countries and it will happen again."

However, in the end, he says, "everyone reacts to it. Mines open. Companies stockpile. People try and recycle it or find alternatives, like nanomaterials."

China's control is, he believes, "particularly vulnerable" to innovation
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Once again, you are dismissed.
 
Sounds like Mueller stated, as does the report, that if Trump were not President he would be indicted.

As easily as you dismiss what was stated, it should be noted that Mueller could have stood at the podium and cleared Trump, as Barr stated the report did. Mueller didn’t clear Trump. Mueller could’ve erased the doubt that Trump did anything, he didn’t. Instead, in English, on television, he states: “...if we had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that.” What?

Also Mueller restated that we knew what Russia did concerning the election. And spoke to having to investigate obstruction of the dang investigation. Who would do such a thing?

They said they didn’t even go down that road, so if they didn’t go down the road of obstruction how can you exonerate? Which the justice department doesn’t do in the first place?
The point is he could’ve stated Trump obstructed justice, but they didn’t. He left it open for interpretation.
Instead he gave instances where he might have but we don’t know because we didn’t investigate it. What the hell is that?
 
Frankenstein Mueller is scared to death of Jim Jordan's questioning. Questions he knows he can't answer without giving up the whole charade. So he pulls this stunt instead. Mueller is another deep state traitor along with his 19 angry Democrat "investigators."

Classic communist tactics.

Defending yourself against a bullshit fake crime THAT DIDN'T OCCUR is ........ OBSTRUCTION?

YOU CAN'T OBSTRUCT AN "INVESTIGATION" INTO A "CRIME" THAT NEVER OCCURED.

Real Soviet tactics, Alinsky 101.

Lenin: "Find me the man and I'll show you his crime."
 
So are the dems still wanting Mueller to testify or did they back off after the show today?

I haven't believed a word he said since he lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, so have no desire to see what else he'll make up about the deep state's number one enemy.
 
Sounds like Mueller stated, as does the report, that if Trump were not President he would be indicted.

As easily as you dismiss what was stated, it should be noted that Mueller could have stood at the podium and cleared Trump, as Barr stated the report did. Mueller didn’t clear Trump. Mueller could’ve erased the doubt that Trump did anything, he didn’t. Instead, in English, on television, he states: “...if we had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that.” What?

Also Mueller restated that we knew what Russia did concerning the election. And spoke to having to investigate obstruction of the dang investigation. Who would do such a thing?
Of course he didn’t clear Trump. That’s not his job to clear Trump. That isn’t the standard. He also didn’t state Trump colluded with Russia or obstructed justice when he clearly could have. And you failed to mention what he could have done, admitted he could have done, and didn’t do- there isn’t one American citizen he indicted for collusion or obstruction of justice. Not one. Zero. Why? Because there wasn’t enough evidence to support any indictments.
 
At this point with him already being called out on his behavior to the point of it harming his election chances, and him continuing to do it, you have to think that this is a deeper condition that he needs therapy to get under control. There's something clearly wrong with him.

When Kim jung calls you dumb, you really really dumb.
 
They said they didn’t even go down that road, so if they didn’t go down the road of obstruction how can you exonerate? Which the justice department doesn’t do in the first place?
The point is he could’ve stated Trump obstructed justice, but they didn’t. He left it open for interpretation.
Instead he gave instances where he might have but we don’t know because we didn’t investigate it. What the hell is that?

Bill, hypothetically, if the same statements are made regarding Obama while President, you all would’ve blown a gasket.

Of course he didn’t clear Trump. That’s not his job to clear Trump. That isn’t the standard. He also didn’t state Trump colluded with Russia or obstructed justice when he clearly could have. And you failed to mention what he could have done, admitted he could have done, and didn’t do- there isn’t one American citizen he indicted for collusion or obstruction of justice. Not one. Zero. Why? Because there wasn’t enough evidence to support any indictments.

There is a lot of evidence in the report. There are numerous indictments. I’d say you may want to read the report and not throw out vague talking points.

Again, Barr says Trump did nothing, says the report states that. Mueller himself comes out and says if Trump did not do anything, we would say so.

I know you all are all in for Trump, but this is something else.
 
Bill, hypothetically, if the same statements are made regarding Obama while President, you all would’ve blown a gasket.



There is a lot of evidence in the report. There are numerous indictments. I’d say you may want to read the report and not throw out vague talking points.

Again, Barr says Trump did nothing, says the report states that. Mueller himself comes out and says if Trump did not do anything, we would say so.

I know you all are all in for Trump, but this is something else.

How ****ing hard is it for you to understand? It was NEVER Mueller's job to say Trump was found innocent of something. That's not how our justice system operates. His job is to investigate and say if there's enough to pursue criminal charges. . NOTHING in his job says he is responsible for finding Trump innocent of potential crimes. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

You and the rest of the left are making up hypotheticals to continue a coup attempt and Mueller crafted his words very carefully in order to help said witch hunt along.

Also, there's no proof of Trump committing crimes. If there were he would have put it forward. The closest he came was supposedly thinking about firing someone he had 100% authority to fire at any point for any reason.

It SHOULD be over, though it SHOULD have never started. Every second spent on this is a slap in the face to the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" and is also time not being spent on investigating/punishing the real crimes that went on here.
 
Bill, hypothetically, if the same statements are made regarding Obama while President, you all would’ve blown a gasket.



There is a lot of evidence in the report. There are numerous indictments. I’d say you may want to read the report and not throw out vague talking points.

Again, Barr says Trump did nothing, says the report states that. Mueller himself comes out and says if Trump did not do anything, we would say so.

I know you all are all in for Trump, but this is something else.
I’m not all in for anything. Fact- Mueller could have said clearly- Trump colluded and obstructed justice today. He didn’t. Why? Because there wasn’t enough evidence to support that statement. And don’t bring up the numerous indictments horseshit- not one indictment involved an American citizen colluding with Russia or obstructing justice on behalf of Trump. None. Zero. Those aren’t vague talking points. Those are facts.
 
I’m not all in for anything. Fact- Mueller could have said clearly- Trump colluded and obstructed justice today. He didn’t. Why? Because there wasn’t enough evidence to support that statement. And don’t bring up the numerous indictments horseshit- not one indictment involved an American citizen colluding with Russia or obstructing justice on behalf of Trump. None. Zero. Those aren’t vague talking points. Those are facts.
He did say Trump obstructed justice today. He just said he couldn't prosecute him for it, that's Congress's job. It's exactly what I've been saying here since the report came out.
 
Bill, hypothetically, if the same statements are made regarding Obama while President, you all would’ve blown a gasket.



There is a lot of evidence in the report. There are numerous indictments. I’d say you may want to read the report and not throw out vague talking points.

Again, Barr says Trump did nothing, says the report states that. Mueller himself comes out and says if Trump did not do anything, we would say so.

I know you all are all in for Trump, but this is something else.

Do you have any idea what a prosecutor does? He does not , and should not, make comments or investigate someone's "innocence", or "clear" them of a crime. He simply states whether or not there is sufficient evidence to charge them. You'll note that there are no charges against Trump of collusion or obstruction after 2 years. Hence , not enough evidence to charge him. Mueller making this parting comment along the lines of "If we could've cleared him of obstruction we would have said so" is quite frankly a reckless comment, well outside of his duties, and shows that he is frustrated that after 2 years , millions of dollars, and dozens of partisan attorneys and investigators on staff, he couldnt find enough to bring a charge.

This is not hard to understand stuff unless you have an agenda.
 
Ya Trump and the GoP have done a lot to tackles those issues. Lmao. Trump has literally done 2 things as president. Pass the scam tax cut and nominate a bunch of judges. Everything else has been all talk and no action.
False. You are a partisan hack that either will not acknowledge the good he has done or dumber than a rock.
 
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He did say Trump obstructed justice today. He just said he couldn't prosecute him for it, that's Congress's job. It's exactly what I've been saying here since the report came out.

No, in fact he said they didn’t make a determination on if Trump committed a crime.
 
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Do you have any idea what a prosecutor does? He does not , and should not, make comments or investigate someone's "innocence", or "clear" them of a crime. He simply states whether or not there is sufficient evidence to charge them. You'll note that there are no charges against Trump of collusion or obstruction after 2 years. Hence , not enough evidence to charge him. Mueller making this parting comment along the lines of "If we could've cleared him of obstruction we would have said so" is quite frankly a reckless comment, well outside of his duties, and shows that he is frustrated that after 2 years , millions of dollars, and dozens of partisan attorneys and investigators on staff, he couldnt find enough to bring a charge.

This is not hard to understand stuff unless you have an agenda.
You're ignoring what they've said about why they didn't make a traditional prosecutorial judgement. The DOJ's position on not indicting a sitting president forbade them from charging him, not a lack of evidence.
 
He did say Trump obstructed justice today. He just said he couldn't prosecute him for it, that's Congress's job. It's exactly what I've been saying here since the report came out.
Wrong. He never said that. He said if they had determined Trump had not committed a crime, they would have said that. He also said they didn’t determine whether the President committed a crime. Carefully chosen words by someone who probably thinks he did something but can’t prove it.
 
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