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How will they rule ??!

  • YES - Qualified

    Votes: 41 82.0%
  • NO - Disqualified

    Votes: 9 18.0%

  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .
So then what are we arguing here? That 2 million dollars doesn't place you in the top 1% because it does. Everything else you say is as equally demonstrably false.

You are wrong all the time so far, full stop. Your partisan study, they claim nonpartisanship lol, doesn't take into account the myriad of taxes the rich do pay that the poor don't and it doesn't account for the effective 0% rate many poor can get. Your study basically says it's unfair for the poor to pay the same 35 cents tax on a king sized snickers bar that the rich do, so we should charge the rich 20 dollars for a snickers bar and give 20 bars for free to poor. I'm telling you that's nonsense, you don't need a snickers bar and what actually happens under your socialist dreams is everyone has to pay more taxes on snickers bars and gets to eat less of them, not just you.

Top 20% in America is rich, puts you in the top 1% of the world and the top .1% of history, living better than the kings of old. The rich guy might pay 50k effective tax on his new mercedes SL, which might be 30% of his income right there and even more as it depreciates 100k in value in 5 years.

I am not concerned by your insults, you're a petulant 25 year old. amirite? yes ofcourse i am.

You believe what you want to believe, you want to believe the system is what keeps people down.... show me the mathematical evidence that you are right and I will buy my Che Guevara t shirt at Urban Outfitters and join you in protest. I am not conservatve, or interested in your left vs right nonsense, just make the case mathematically and stop wasting everyone's time.

Going to answer it all...

To start, the $2,000,000 referenced was in savings. $2,000,000 in savings does not put you in the top 1%. If the $2,000,000 where an annual income, that would be top 1% in the US. Very distinct difference. Also, you do realize that most Americans fall into the bottom 90%. Per your 1% in the world, finish the statement. Tell everyone how we rank 25th as a nation in median wealth. Tell them how your overall net worth has to be close to $700,000 to be 1% in the world. Speak on how we have third world areas in America. Research your talking points better.

Again, you do realize that after World War II, we were giving people those same snicker bars you referenced. How did that work out? Isn’t that the reference point for making America great again?

Do you know why poor people get a $0 effective tax rate? It’s in the article you referenced. But you refuse to read, amirite? It literally spells it out for you. When the facts and background are presented, you are afraid to look.

If we are truly the richest in history, why are you so against spreading the wealth? The nonpartisan study, as does Forbes, CNBC, Business Weekly, hell PBS, all explain that poor people pay more in state and local taxes than the wealthy. Would it blow your mind if I told you that unauthorized immigrants did the same? Unauthorized pay more than rich, google that.

The mathematical evidence is there, but if you have trouble reading, I can’t imagine how word problems associated with taxes may help. I can’t argue facts with your fantasy, no need. Next thing your going to tell me we can use a sports drink to grow crops. This is the real life idocracy. I’m not name calling, I’m calling it what it is.

Also, mathematically and income wise, your rich guy paying 30% of his income on a vehicle known to depreciate in value is a terrible investment and bad example by you. Use the widowed mother of three, who’s husband died due to no health insurance, let’s say she has a college degree and makes $62,000 (national average). Let’s throw in a flat tax of 30% to make things easy (federal, state, local, vehicle, property, sales). 30% of her income is $18,600, leaving her a little over $43,000 per year, not bad. Let’s add in all her additional bills (mortgage, childcare, vehicle , food, utilities, how well off is she (top 1% in the world, right)? Let’s tax a person making $3,000,000 per year 30% of there income. Let’s say they have no dividends or long term capital gains, give the millionaire 3 kids. How would they ever survive off $2.1 million? Who do you think pays more of their income towards taxes?

Curious, do you know what qualified dividends and long-term capital gains are and how they are taxed? If you know anyone rich (top .01%) or an accountant, ask them how they are used, as it’s obvious you refuse to read. Go check why some pay $0 in federal taxes, look into what it means (it’s mathematical)

All things considered, pick me up a Che Guevara shirt while your there. Can’t have you wearing one alone
 
Interviewer: You believe he faked a disability?

Buttigieg: Do you believe he has a disability?

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Buttigieg: Yeah, I mean at least not that one.

LOL holy shit that's a good burn.

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Going to answer it all...

You didn't... if you want to have a genuine discussion, or are indeed capable of independent, critical and serious thought, you have to first start with the premise that I am aware of everything that you posted and I still don't believe there is sufficient evidence that we need significantly more wealth redistribution than we already have.

Like Quentin Tarentino, I reject your hypothesis.
Who do you think pays more of their income towards taxes?

For example, I already explained here in simple terms why it is the rich guy who already pays more significantly to the government, not just gross but as a total percentage of income, how we already syphon off his wealth so we can afford infrastructure and to tax the less well off less... thereby increasing their economic mobility.

You can always argue we should tax the top 20% a little more, the Kardashians way more, tax others a little less and I would be ok with that... just a complete no to your communist delusions because I am European and I know what it means. I know what your communism and your socialist democracy looks like in real life, not just all your narrow research from biased thinktanks but real experience. I don't have to ask anyone anything.

Go ahead and keep on thinking you are privy to some special knowledge, that those that oppose your delusions do so because they can't read, are intellectually inferior or selfish or simply can't grasp the necessity of your communist delusions. see where it gets you
 
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Curious, do you know what qualified dividends and long-term capital gains are and how they are taxed? If you know anyone rich (top .01%) or an accountant, ask them how they are used, as it’s obvious you refuse to read. Go check why some pay $0 in federal taxes, look into what it means (it’s mathematical)

I think everyone knows what qualified dividends and long-term capital gains are, and how they're taxed.

Could you extrapolate on the rest of it?
 
We don’t get a ton of crime in Lagrange but the other day some tiny white chick at waffle house gave a black dude a ride home ; he then raped, beat and stabbed her,meanwhile I read daily about how a black teen got a spit mask put on him or a black waiter got a rude note on a tip.
 
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Man - you guys know how excited 420 Bro must be right now (along with all our other "independents")? As a libertarian/independent you know they will be unable to hold back their excitement of Trump declassifying government docs.

Trump - the most transparent President of all time. A true hero to libertarians and independents everywhere!!
 
Man - you guys know how excited 420 Bro must be right now (along with all our other "independents")? As a libertarian/independent you know they will be unable to hold back their excitement of Trump declassifying government docs.

Trump - the most transparent President of all time. A true hero to libertarians and independents everywhere!!
I was listening to a politician on the radio this morning. He said by releasing the documents this was proof Trump is involved in a huge cover up.

Now if that isn't liberal, democrat logic I have not heard it. Just lay it ALL on the table and the media and dems will accuse you of a cover up. HA HA
 
The sad fact is it's the radical left wingers who are loony toons enough to give money to Democrats, and they're the ones who want the coup to continue. So long as the radical loony toon lefties are the ones paying the Democrat bills, they're going to continue to push the impeachment narrative. It's good for business. No one is getting impeached. But so long as the Democrats dangle that in front of their loony toon lefty supporters, the money will continue to roll in.
 
In regards to the reports about the average American's wealth.. I do think at some point a billionaire's money needs to go back to society. The first 50 billion? fine, keep it and buy your 4th airliner.. but man, do people really need the next billion after that?

I'm sure many don't already give to charities. But the reasonable side of me, and the ability to critique my own political party's values (take note, Libs), says that there's no reason for a man or woman to have $100 billion dollars to throw around.
 
In regards to the reports about the average American's wealth.. I do think at some point a billionaire's money needs to go back to society. The first 50 billion? fine, keep it and buy your 4th airliner.. but man, do people really need the next billion after that?

I'm sure many don't already give to charities. But the reasonable side of me, and the ability to critique my own political party's values (take note, Libs), says that there's no reason for a man or woman to have $100 billion dollars to throw around.


No one on the planet (except maybe Vlad Plutin) has $100 billion to throw around. How much of Jeff Bezo's (and Mackenzie) wealth is tied up in the value of Amazon stock? One of the richest men on the planet, but the vast majority of his wealth is just based on the value of the company he started. Certainly not value he can throw around.

But to the extent the American oligarchs do have cash to throw around, the luxury desire du jour is to try and get us to Mars. Or to make space travel possible for people. Or to colonize space.

I'd much prefer to let Elon Musk, as quirky as he is, try and get us to Mars with the help of investors rather than having all that money sent to Washington so pockets can be lined and a small fraction sent to Nasa to be blown on manipulating global warming data.

And even that being said, how many of the richest people that ever existed still have dynasties that exist today? The Rockefellers? The Vanderbilts? The wealth gets spread out and squandered eventually.
 
I was listening to a politician on the radio this morning. He said by releasing the documents this was proof Trump is involved in a huge cover up.

Now if that isn't liberal, democrat logic I have not heard it. Just lay it ALL on the table and the media and dems will accuse you of a cover up. HA HA
The fact they would say that should be considered evidence that the Dems are engaged in a cover-up, since they don't want their sins publicized.
 
In regards to the reports about the average American's wealth.. I do think at some point a billionaire's money needs to go back to society. The first 50 billion? fine, keep it and buy your 4th airliner.. but man, do people really need the next billion after that?

I'm sure many don't already give to charities. But the reasonable side of me, and the ability to critique my own political party's values (take note, Libs), says that there's no reason for a man or woman to have $100 billion dollars to throw around.
That's all good and well, but the billionaire should be able to dictate where that money goes rather than the government. The Government might place some stipulations on what types of things it has to go towards, but ultimately the billionaire should be able to decide where and how the money is used.
 
And I'd be 100% fine if Jeff Bezo's decided to sit on a pile of 200 billion $1 bills if he wanted.

I can get anything I want in two days max with free shipping. Soon to be one day shipping. Or groceries in 2 hours without leaving my house. etc.

If you can do it better, do it, and I'll support your right to keep every dollar you earn.
 
Gary Johnson.


*throwback joke

They would've totally voted for Kasich had he gotten the nomination

In regards to the reports about the average American's wealth.. I do think at some point a billionaire's money needs to go back to society. The first 50 billion? fine, keep it and buy your 4th airliner.. but man, do people really need the next billion after that?

I'm sure many don't already give to charities. But the reasonable side of me, and the ability to critique my own political party's values (take note, Libs), says that there's no reason for a man or woman to have $100 billion dollars to throw around.

No one on the planet (except maybe Vlad Plutin) has $100 billion to throw around. How much of Jeff Bezo's (and Mackenzie) wealth is tied up in the value of Amazon stock? One of the richest men on the planet, but the vast majority of his wealth is just based on the value of the company he started. Certainly not value he can throw around.

But to the extent the American oligarchs do have cash to throw around, the luxury desire du jour is to try and get us to Mars. Or to make space travel possible for people. Or to colonize space.

I'd much prefer to let Elon Musk, as quirky as he is, try and get us to Mars with the help of investors rather than having all that money sent to Washington so pockets can be lined and a small fraction sent to Nasa to be blown on manipulating global warming data.

And even that being said, how many of the richest people that ever existed still have dynasties that exist today? The Rockefellers? The Vanderbilts? The wealth gets spread out and squandered eventually.

Agree with both. Noone needs that kind of money. But giving it up should be a voluntary choice based on morality or some other measure.

As between the two, I'd much rather see the producer keep their money than the government get any.
 
They would've totally voted for Kasich had he gotten the nomination





Agree with both. Noone needs that kind of money. But giving it up should be a voluntary choice based on morality or some other measure.

As between the two, I'd much rather see the producer keep their money than the government get any.

Yes, the Government shouldn't say where or how.. And I certainly don't think any in the government should get it for sitting around (and already wasting tax payer money). But I wouldn't be opposed to laws being in place that basically say "Ok, dude, you're rich enough, why not put that last billion in rebuilding your states parks or some shit?"

I do think many of these millionairs and billionaires already give a lot to charities, and their tax burden is still pretty high.
 
I guess I have weird views.. I think public service should be a mandatory 4-5 days a year, similar to jury duty, where every citizen is responsible for helping society. Work at an animal shelter, a soup kitchen, clean up the roads, spend time at a children's hospital.
 
Yes, the Government shouldn't say where or how.. And I certainly don't think any in the government should get it for sitting around (and already wasting tax payer money). But I wouldn't be opposed to laws being in place that basically say "Ok, dude, you're rich enough, why not put that last billion in rebuilding your states parks or some shit?"

I do think many of these millionairs and billionaires already give a lot to charities, and their tax burden is still pretty high.

In a perfect world that would be great. But given the vast amount of evidence we have on government spending, I have no faith they'd make any good decision on that direction. It would probably end up funding a blueberry study ran by some of their pals.
 
Bill Gates is out there trying to singlehandedly stop malaria, jettisoning around trying to make the world a better a place in a myriad of ways and even championing various liberal causes... what social democrat communist billionaire or government is doing so? And he will donate his wealth.

Virtually only Americans do this, because only in America is the individual valued to such a degree and placed in such a society that with enough white privilege intelligence and conscientiousness such things are possible. Something like 40% of the world's actual millionaires (liquid) are American, do you have that kind of incredible socioeconomic mobility that we have here in the absence of people generating ridiculous wealth that will soon allow oppressed me to receive my amazon prime lunch by drone for 8.95$ in 30 minutes or less? The answer is no.
 
In regards to the reports about the average American's wealth.. I do think at some point a billionaire's money needs to go back to society. The first 50 billion? fine, keep it and buy your 4th airliner.. but man, do people really need the next billion after that?

I'm sure many don't already give to charities. But the reasonable side of me, and the ability to critique my own political party's values (take note, Libs), says that there's no reason for a man or woman to have $100 billion dollars to throw around.

Agreed with the general idea that after a certain threshold billions need to start going back into society, if not in the form of taxes then directly to areas of need.

Same goes for large corporations. After a certain point, billions need to start flowing into something other than gobbling up the competition, stock buybacks, mergers, and space projects.

I wouldn't be as generous as you though. For personal wealth, I'd draw the line at about 10 billion, after that you can give it to the government and let them squander it or you can go direct to the source.

As for corporations. 25 billion give or take, that's enough to do everything you need to do. All the excess after that, again you can cough it up to uncle sam or go directly to an area of need with it.

Do we really need to worry about space life thousands of years from now when we have hunger, cancer, and environmental issues right now? I say let's take care of this planet, it's people and issues before we go fu** up the galaxy and other planets.

I think that's how the health care issue can be greatly helped.

Gates, Zuckerberg, Google, Amazon as a company and Bezos individually, Buffet, Berkshire, etc...need to start putting their excess into the problems of today.

Each of those individuals and companies can all afford to cut off their personal and company wealth after a certain threshold then build and fund dozens of hospitals, clinics, doctors offices, etc...

I know they all give to charity and have foundations, but I feel like that creates a lot of middle people. The Giving Pledge that Gates started is all great, but I'd like to know where all that money is going? Is it building free health care services, is it doing anything about the homeless crisis, how about opioid crises, and on and on with all the problems we have.

Every rich American titan being obsessed with Africa has always been a head scratcher to me as well. Christ, we have hungry black, white, Latino, etc kids and homeless shanty towns right here in this country. Let's clean up our house, and get our shit straight and then go help the world.
 
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For post like this some other posters would call you a Trumptard and believe anything Trump says. What they fail to realize is that Trump has done a lot and people are starting to take notice. Nothing wrong with praising a presidents efforts and accomplishments when it benefits Americans. It is these America hating people in this country who are the worst enemy of this country and literally the dumbest people on the planet because, we all benefit from it. Even those who can't find a good job in their own country come here and make a good living all the while blasting our way of life and our people. Dumber still is that they opine for the same system they left to get away from.
 
Agreed with the general idea that after a certain threshold billions need to start going back into society, if not in the form of taxes then directly to areas of need.

Same goes for large corporations. After a certain point, billions need to start flowing into something other than gobbling up the competition, stock buybacks, mergers, and space projects.

I wouldn't be as generous as you though. For personal wealth, I'd draw the line at about 10 billion, after that you can give it to the government and let them squander it or you can go direct to the source.

As for corporations. 25 billion give or take, that's enough to do everything you need to do. All the excess after that, again you can cough it up to uncle sam or go directly to an area of need with it.

Do we really need to worry about space life thousands of years from now when we have hunger, cancer, and environmental issues right now? I say let's take care of this planet, it's people and issues before we go fu** up the galaxy and other planets.

I think that's how the health care issue can be greatly helped.

Gates, Zuckerberg, Google, Amazon as a company and Bezos individually, Buffet, Berkshire, etc...need to start putting their excess into the problems of today.

Each of those individuals and companies can all afford to cut off their personal and company wealth after a certain threshold then build and fund dozens of hospitals, clinics, doctors offices, etc...

I know they all give to charity and have foundations, but I feel like that creates a lot of middle people. The Giving Pledge that Gates started is all great, but I'd like to know where all that money is going? Is it building free health care services, is doing anything about the homeless crisis, how about opioid crises, and on and on with all the problems we have.

Every rich American titan being obsessed with Africa has always been a head scratcher to me as well. Christ, we have hungry black, white, Latino, etc kids and homeless shanty towns right here in this country. Let's clean up our house, and get our shit straight and then go help the world.

Agreed. I guess the tricky part is business. If you cap their money, does that hurt innovation down the road? Hard to draw that line.

Ha, I sound like such a socialist/lib. But the difference is the vast majority of them do it out of jealousy for those that "have" and/or because they want a piece of the action.
 
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