POLITICAL THREAD

[GrandePdre]

With all due respect I think you're wrong: Trump supporters have never been fooled.

I think they know EXACTLY what they're getting. They just dont care because they believe the other candidates are even worse.

I have close friends who are Trump supporters. They've bought into his cocky NY successful businessman who makes deals schtick hook, line, and sinker. I even have bets with all of them on what he does in November if he's the nominee.

They think Trump is really going to do something, but all he's doing is feeding his own ego and seeing how long he can keep this charade up.

 

[warrior-cat]

"If" Trump gets the nod, the only way he beats Hillary is a massive turnout of conservatives. It could happen but, imo, highly unlikely. That really depends on how much uglier this race gets and how many butthurt voters there will be.

 

[wkycatfan]

Trump thinks he can do just about anything, and name it after himself, including being a whiz-bang president. Hypothetically, if he was POTUS, and once he figures out how he has to work with congress, deal with the media, etc., and really can't do everything he wants (if you can keep up with what that actually is), I could see him resigning, and handing it off to his VP. It's all an ego trip right now, but he could decide at some point 'I don't need this, I'm a billionaire'.

That said, I'm starting to question if he's going to be the nominee anyway.

 

[Mojocat]

Followed up with a very poor 'run along kids' conclusion.

I heard Jones on the radio for a few minutes this morning, and of course he led with this shot taken at him by a sitting governor. "Move along, kids" - when I saw that, I didn't think that was a personal message to Jones, even though it was in response to a Jones tweet. I thought it was the same thing as saying "Come on people, move on" - just a message in general to people who think like Jones does. I thought, honestly, he was trying to be jovial or kidding or whatever - saying "kids" rather than "people" or something like it was an effort to make it less edgy. Naturally Jones made it about him.

Your larger point remains - he needs to stay off social media. He's 48, IIRC - I think it was in the 60s when the phrase "don't trust anyone over 30" was in currency. I'd change that now to "don't tweet if over 30"....

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Trump has NEVER had a decent shot at winning the presidency, and you're getting a particularly healthy dose right now of why. Trump supporters have been on the Titanic unknowingly for a while now, and you now see the iceberg hitting you. Congrats.

And the "establishment" never turned on him. He's been unelectable from Day 1, and most of us saw this coming.

People who thought Trump had a shot at the presidency are some poor, naive bastahds. Learn demographics.

There just aren't enough poor, dumb, disaffected white folk in this country to win that type of election anymore, especially if you're gonna alienate their women at the same time.

The GOP's best chance (still longshots) were 1) Rubio (before he fell apart) then 2) Kasich, who just cant get traction. Trump was never the best candidate, based on his personality if nothing else.

Impossible? No. Impractical? Yes. But so was this primary run. He ended the career of the GOP's next great hopes, Bush and Rubio, and did it in a few months. If the establishment would've backed him, Obama continue to bring in muslim refugees with no vetting, and continue to see radical islam attack the world; he had a shot.

But now, its a Hillary coronation.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

I heard Jones on the radio for a few minutes this morning, and of course he led with this shot taken at him by a sitting governor. "Move along, kids" - when I saw that, I didn't think that was a personal message to Jones, even though it was in response to a Jones tweet. I thought it was the same thing as saying "Come on people, move on" - just a message in general to people who think like Jones does. I thought, honestly, he was trying to be jovial or kidding or whatever - saying "kids" rather than "people" or something like it was an effort to make it less edgy. Naturally Jones made it about him.

Your larger point remains - he needs to stay off social media. He's 48, IIRC - I think it was in the 60s when the phrase "don't trust anyone over 30" was in currency. I'd change that now to "don't tweet if over 30"....

I thought the same. But Bevin apparently clarified his remark was made directly at Jones and no one else. So another shot across the bow.

If Bevin would play it smart, hed completely ignore Jones. Giving him attention is the worst thing he can do.

 

[qwesley]

If Bevin would play it smart, hed completely ignore Jones. Giving him attention is the worst thing he can do.

Do not agree at all. Jones has large audience and should not be ignored.

 

[JHB4UK]

this was not about his audience; Bevin likely views Jones as the future head or lead intellectual of the party that opposes him & his side. read up on the plans of Jones & former bright star Adam Edelen to replace the current decrepit corrupt power centers of the state Dem party.

 

[Mashburned]

Bevin likely views MJ as a radio clown. A politician at heart, who will likely use his schtick to gain political advantage, but for now he is a professional troll.

I can't stand the way MJ plays both sides of the fence. Why he might be a good politician, tho.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Do not agree at all. Jones has large audience and should not be ignored.

By responding to him, it gave Jones tons of free press and exposure. If he'd just ignored him, or not interacted directly, Jones would've gotten none of it.

And 90% of Jones current audience are sports fans who hate his politics. Now Bevin gave him free exposure to a different audience.

Just a bad move all the way around

 

[krazykats]

Unless Jones supports him in time. That is political power that MJ is gaining unintentionally.

Depending on the nature of Trump and the RNC and their leader he could in fact get their support. They have to see him and the right candidate can easily overcome the felon.

Poor white people? They make those? Who knew!!

 

[CatDaddy4daWin]

By responding to him, it gave Jones tons of free press and exposure. If he'd just ignored him, or not interacted directly, Jones would've gotten none of it.

And 90% of Jones current audience are sports fans who hate his politics. Now Bevin gave him free exposure to a different audience.

Just a bad move all the way around

90%

I've talked about the hypocrisy of the conservative movement for years and their support for Trump is all the proof I need to prove it. These moral Christians who want to meddle in everyone's personal affairs are supporting a guy who has had 3 wives, one younger than the next, bilked millions from poor and middle class people with his faux university and casinos, bribed and bullied his way to move up, has switched his stance on every major position at least once, encourages violence, degrades women, displays bigoted actions, and is just basically the textbook definition of an immoral person. Yet he's worshipped with fervor by these people. Their hypocrisy is only matched by those displayed by UL fans.

His domestic policy is a joke and his foreign policy is an even bigger joke. I don't like Hillary either but I'd pull that lever for her in a heartbeat if the alternative is Donald Trump. I'd actually feel forced to have to go vote if that is the case. I don't see her pulling troops out of South Korea and replacing them with nukes Or violating the constitution by patrolling and militarizing muslim and mexican neighborhoods.

 

[trumpetcat]

90%

I've talked about the hypocrisy of the conservative movement for years and their support for Trump is all the proof I need to prove it. These moral Christians who want to meddle in everyone's personal affairs are supporting a guy who has had 3 wives, one younger than the next, bilked millions from poor and middle class people with his faux university and casinos, bribed and bullied his way to move up, has switched his stance on every major position at least once, encourages violence, degrades women, displays bigoted actions, and is just basically the textbook definition of an immoral person. Yet he's worshipped with fervor by these people. Their hypocrisy is only matched by those displayed by UL fans.

His domestic policy is a joke and his foreign policy is an even bigger joke. I don't like Hillary either but I'd pull that lever for her in a heartbeat if the alternative is Donald Trump. I'd actually feel forced to have to go vote if that is the case. I don't see her pulling troops out of South Korea and replacing them with nukes Or violating the constitution by patrolling and militarizing muslim and mexican neighborhoods.

Finally someone said it. Ty

 

[Bill Cosby]

I can't follow this election close enough. I feel like Jamo keeps giving us polls showing how Donald Trump has huge unfavorables and is only winning because the opposition is split, and it's not in fact "the will of the people". Then we've have catdaddy telling us Donald Trump actually represents the hypocrisy of the conservative movement.

Seems to be a contradiction there. Almost like only a small minority or conservatives would be voting for Trump if you listen to Jamo and his polls. But surely catdaddy wouldn't just something out of his ass.

So catdaddy is going to go vote to keep a felon out of prison.

 

[domino79]

I keep picturing Catdaddy as twelve when I read his posts.

Does anyone else do this?

 

[JHB4UK]

16, but reads at 12 yr old level

Conservatives embracing Trump, gotcha. Never mind all the crossovers dem votes he gets. Nevermind he has lost 35-65 in the primaries to other more true republican conservative choices.

 

[-LEK-]

To be fair, while I think Trump would be a terrible president, I'm not sure the conservative movement has really embraced him. Most of the right wings on here have been pretty critical. I mean, we're talking a brokered convention to get rid of trump. Not really a sign of being embraced.

They actually make the same argument, better my candidate, than your candidate. Lesser of two evils.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Also it's comical that catdaddy is worried about Trump (and the hypocrisy of conservative)...

violating the constitution by patrolling and militarizing muslim and mexican neighborhoods.

Yet he's one of the biggest supporters on here of Obama. The man who's administration has expanded and doubled down on every effort to spy on every detail of your personal life, and has gone after every whistle blower it could.

But yeah, he's very worried about that very realistic possibility that the federal government will be patrolling Muslim and Mexican neighborhoods if Trump becomes POTUS. So he's going to vote for a woman who needs to become POTUS so she can stay out of jail.



You cannot use the "I'm voting for this person because the other person suck so bad" argument if you're choosing Clinton over Trump. Trump will get absolutely nothing done unless he takes a hard left turn (in rhetoric...no one actually know what his policies are). The media will be there every single step of the way to provide opposition, the Republican establishment hates him. Clinton getting elected keeps her out of jail, and every single thing she wants done will be championed by the media and rubber stamped by Congress.

Any vote for Clinton is a vote to keep her out of jail and push her agenda - its not a vote against "Trump". Who's policies are about as real as the ones Obama promised you.

 

[P19978]

The Repubs would do well to make this a simple "Anybody but Hillary" campaign.

De-emphasize your own candidate and his faults and make it about Hillary.

 

[qwesley]

I keep picturing Catdaddy as twelve when I read his posts.

Does anyone else do this?

I picture the "you're a white male!!!" guy from last week. If he is cardkilla, which is 80+% likelihood, he is a chubby thirtysomething with a soul patch and long hair.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

The Repubs would do well to make this a simple "Anybody but Hillary" campaign.

De-emphasize your own candidate and his faults and make it about Hillary.

Thats really what it will boil down to anyway.

 

[ram1955]

90%

I've talked about the hypocrisy of the conservative movement for years and their support for Trump is all the proof I need to prove it. These moral Christians who want to meddle in everyone's personal affairs are supporting a guy who has had 3 wives, one younger than the next, bilked millions from poor and middle class people with his faux university and casinos, bribed and bullied his way to move up, has switched his stance on every major position at least once, encourages violence, degrades women, displays bigoted actions, and is just basically the textbook definition of an immoral person. Yet he's worshipped with fervor by these people. Their hypocrisy is only matched by those displayed by UL fans.

His domestic policy is a joke and his foreign policy is an even bigger joke. I don't like Hillary either but I'd pull that lever for her in a heartbeat if the alternative is Donald Trump. I'd actually feel forced to have to go vote if that is the case. I don't see her pulling troops out of South Korea and replacing them with nukes Or violating the constitution by patrolling and militarizing muslim and mexican neighborhoods.

I cannot speak for all Christians, but I'll admit Trump is a poor candidate. Unfortunately, the only thing going for him is you don't know what you'll get from him as potus. You absolutely DO know what you will get from hc; more politics as usual and even worse, more obama type politics.

 

[Mojocat]

I've talked about the hypocrisy of the conservative movement for years and their support for Trump is all the proof I need to prove it. These moral Christians.....Yet he's worshipped with fervor by these people. Their hypocrisy is only matched by those displayed by UL fans.

It's almost like you're seeing what you want to see...

"In the March 1 “Super Tuesday” races, Trump failed to win a majority of evangelicals in any southern state and lost more than half of evangelicals, on average, overall. A look at the second Super Tuesday from March 15 reveals similar results with a couple of surprises. The bottom line is that a majority of evangelicals are still backing candidates other than Trump. In Missouri, the most religiously active voters are supporting non-Trump alternatives with numbers as high as 70 percent."

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct...tually-most-evangelicals-dont-vote-trump.html

 

[From-the-stands]

It's almost like you're seeing what you want to see...

"In the March 1 “Super Tuesday” races, Trump failed to win a majority of evangelicals in any southern state and lost more than half of evangelicals, on average, overall. A look at the second Super Tuesday from March 15 reveals similar results with a couple of surprises. The bottom line is that a majority of evangelicals are still backing candidates other than Trump. In Missouri, the most religiously active voters are supporting non-Trump alternatives with numbers as high as 70 percent."

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct...tually-most-evangelicals-dont-vote-trump.html

More evangelicals voted for Trump than voted for Cruz on Super Tuesday, and that's the poignant fact. That he didn't reach a majority over the rest of the field combined is just more rationalization from the disillusioned anti-Trumps.

 

[Mojocat]

Ah, the poignant fact. Well, I can't very well argue with that kind of precise, cogent and flawlessly logical reasoning.

 

[jamo0001]

I'm beginning to think the odds of Booker being VP this time next year have eclipsed 50%

Who Trump/Cruz will put next to him is still a fascinating question, though. Watching Booker and Christie debate would be interesting.

 

[From-the-stands]

Ah, the poignant fact. Well, I can't very well argue with that kind of precise, cogent and flawlessly logical reasoning.

Not quarreling with you Mojo, just saying more churchgoer's have voted for Trump than any other single candidate so far. BTW did anyone catch the speech on behalf of Trump by Sarah Palin in Wisconsin?

 

[ram1955]

Not quarreling with you Mojo, just saying more churchgoer's have voted for Trump than any other single candidate so far. BTW did anyone catch the speech on behalf of Trump by Sarah Palin in Wisconsin?

View embedded media

Again, can't speak for any church goers but one, but if true...IMO... it's largely because:
1. hc is absolutely not an option and they believe he has the best chance of any others at beating her;
2. They are tired of the corrupt state of status quo politics and want a change.

I've always wondered about some conspiracy theory types that believed both parties were controlled by a single small group of power holders who believe they can control the country by controlling the parties. While I don't believe that, I do believe we're seeing evidence of the "keep the status quo" as being the objective of the power holders in both parties. Interesting how Repub leaders as well as dems and the almighty media are ALL against Trump.
Pap always said "You can judge a person by the company he keeps"....(he wasn't very creative). With that said, the SINGLE reason I'd support Trump is the very fact that none of the aforementioned want him.

 

[Mojocat]

Not quarreling with you Mojo.....

No offense taken. I do think a fair analysis shows Trump is getting a good portion of the Christian vote, but more of them vote for someone else than vote for him - which catdaddy somehow interprets to mean "Trump is worshipped with fervor by these people."

Anyway, I'm on record as saying most people in the US who self-identify as Christian are only nominally so, aren't really Christian in a way that would withstand much scrutiny at all. And yes, I see the irony in taking that holier than thou position with respect to some holier than thou types.....

 

[krazykats]

If you don't think large corporations donate to both parties and then call on elected officials when they need something done to help their business then you are crazy.

I'm not saying Rockefeller and Rothschild still pull world strings like illuminati believers, but we are moving to a world economy and money system. Just like it's easier to have states separated by borders but still in a nation we will have nations lined up under 1 world power because it's easier to police and rid ourselves of ISIS situations, as well as mange recessions etc. The sooner America bankrupts and can not stand on its own the sooner that will happen.

The democratic pledge right now is going to bury us if it continues but they don't care because your tv has a trump=racist storyline and people are programmed to vote that way. Meanwhile people like Ben Carson and Minister Farakhan are trying to educate people and they do not get tv exposure because if they did maybe the black population would see for themselves a message that is different than what your media wants you to believe.

I truly believe if Trump is elected he will be killed.

 

[bbonds]

I've said the same thing. We all thought the secret service would have their hands full protecting BO, but "protecting" Trump will be impossible.

He better pick a good VP candidate.

 

[krazykats]

Yea but the difference is killing the first black president would incite riots all over America. Sadly it would be justified even though I think he sucks as president.

So there was a hands off advantage.

Trump? Not so much. Just another old rich white dude with a lot of enemies. Powerful enemies that stand to lose a lot of money. A Trump/Hiliary debate would be awesome, but Trump as president would scare the shit out of the rich.

 

[-LEK-]

No offense taken. I do think a fair analysis shows Trump is getting a good portion of the Christian vote, but more of them vote for someone else than vote for him - which catdaddy somehow interprets to mean "Trump is worshipped with fervor by these people."

Anyway, I'm on record as saying most people in the US who self-identify as Christian are only nominally so, aren't really Christian in a way that would withstand much scrutiny at all. And yes, I see the irony in taking that holier than thou position with respect to some holier than thou types.....

Now this is great logical reasoning. The votes for Trump are not from real Christians, so they don't count.

 

[-LEK-]

Yea but the difference is killing the first black president would incite riots all over America. Sadly it would be justified even though I think he sucks as president.

Are you saying it's justified to kill the president?

I know you just throw words up and expect people to understand your meaning, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but it reads that way.

 

[krazykats]

By "it" I'm saying the riots would be justified even though Obama sucks as president.

 

[AlbanyWildCat]

Reading Utah is in play if Trump is the nominee...LOL.

 

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[stevo51]

You're out of soy sauce?

 

[fuzz77]

Anyone see 60 Minutes story on the German prison system?

Prison staff is well paid and highly trained, pretty stark contrast with our system. Prison cells looked more like a nice hotel or college dorm room. Prisoner has a key to their own cell. With good behavior prisoners (even murders) got weekend furloughs, allowed to leave prison daily to work a job. Focus is on rehabilitation, not punishment.
The money quote from the head of one of their prisons...If you treat them like humans, they act like humans...if you treat them like animals, they'll act like animals.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Glad to see George Stephanopoulos have a hard hitting interview with Hillary *sarcasm*. Tough and fair journalism to have someone interviewing their former employer, and lobbing softballs the whole time.

Basically a PR campaign, clothed as an interview.