POLITICAL THREAD

[bigblueinsanity]

They did not kill anything, he did. There is nothing wrong with not wanting to be part of a cancer like him. People need to quit acting like this was a legitimate outside the box candidate that was character assassinated because they could not be controlled. That is just not reality.

If they were saving us from some asshat based on their morals and civic virtue, I could agree with you. But it was because they fear they cant control him.

I really think we are on the verge of fracturing into more than 2 parties. Which is a good thing IMO, as I'm starting to feel like I'm not represented by anybody

I think so too. Its a good thing as long as it doesn't result in one party or the other getting control of congress and the white house for long periods of time. Nothing good comes of that. A few cycles would be pushing it. And I just don't know if things can evolve faster than that.

 

[jamo0001]

If they were saving us from some asshat based on their morals and civic virtue, I could agree with you. But it was because they fear they cant control him.

you don't think it has much to do with fears that he'd cost them not just the Senate, but possibly the House? And that once he got into the Office, he wouldn't govern like a conservative?

 

[Mojocat]

Its a good thing as long as it doesn't result in one party or the other getting control of congress and the white house for long periods of time.

How can it be anything else? It's not like both parties are fracturing - it's just one side. The Dems are intact. In the generation it takes for the Republicans/Whigs/Know-Nothing/New Revolution Party or whatever the results are called to get hashed out, the Dems will be monolithic.....

 

[bigblueinsanity]

you don't think it has much to do with fears that he'd cost them not just the Senate, but possibly the House? And that once he got into the Office, he wouldn't govern like a conservative?

All that stuff plays a role. But the main concern is the lack of control. What candidate that's left would prevent those losses? Theyre all terrible.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

How can it be anything else? It's not like both parties are fracturing - it's just one side. The Dems are intact. In the generation it takes for the Republicans/Whigs/Know-Nothing/New Revolution Party or whatever the results are called to get hashed out, the Dems will be monolithic.....

Well that's the problem. Its likely to be just that.

 

[Big_Blue79]

How can it be anything else? It's not like both parties are fracturing - it's just one side. The Dems are intact. In the generation it takes for the Republicans/Whigs/Know-Nothing/New Revolution Party or whatever the results are called to get hashed out, the Dems will be monolithic.....

True. Interesting but likely inapplicable here (no Civil War yet, after all) - the Republican party ended up dominating presidential (and, iirc, national) politics for ~ 40 years shortly after it formed.

As for name, I'd be in favor of Know-Nothing (awesome, awesome name), or Whigs, but only if the Whigs mandated wearing wigs at all official functions. Plus by harkening back to earlier parties, they could wholesale claim their history, like the Browns weird history where they just ignore the Baltimore thing and restart after a hiatus.

 

[Mojocat]

I bet if Trump started wearing the wig tomorrow it would increase support.

 

[Big_Blue79]

I bet if Trump started wearing the wig tomorrow it would increase support.

You mean he's not already wearing a wig?

 

[wkycatfan]

Didn't the Whig party form in opposition to Andrew Jackson, who was running roughshod over everybody? Also, I remember the Know-Nothings being largely a nationalistic party, who weren't so keen on immigrants taking over the country. Maybe I'm a little off about that.

 

[WettCat]

He said wig, not Whig. Pay better attention or go get your glasses fixed.

On a more serious note, I've followed politics pretty closely for the past 15 years. I've stated my opinions, right or wrong, fairly openly on this forum during this period. One.Term. President. damned near did me in when I was wrong. It was hard to believe this country would go down that perilous road a second time. But it did.

And now we have an avowed Socialist, a carnival barker and a lying corrupt political hack leading the current Presidential race. It's simply beyond my reasonable comprehension that a significant majority of the voting public has placed their support between these three. But they have.

What's one to say anymore? You can't argue with stupid or the mentality of a three year old. So outside of a random smartass remark, I got nothing more to add.

Good luck to this Country and God Bless us all. We sure need it.

 

[wkycatfan]

He said wig, not Whig. Pay better attention or go get your glasses fixed. .

"As for name, I'd be in favor of Know-Nothing (awesome, awesome name), or Whigs, but only if the Whigs mandated wearing wigs at all official functions. Plus by harkening back to earlier parties, they could wholesale claim their history, like the Browns weird history where they just ignore the Baltimore thing and restart after a hiatus."

 

[WettCat]

 

[qwesley]

For the faux libertarian:

CNN Politics ‏@CNNPolitics 22m22 minutes ago
75% of people surveyed say Donald Trump has had too much media coverage http://cnn.it/1ZOhOf5 via @DylanByers

 

[fuzz77]

For the faux libertarian:

CNN Politics ‏@CNNPolitics 22m22 minutes ago
75% of people surveyed say Donald Trump has had too much media coverage http://cnn.it/1ZOhOf5 via @DylanByers

CNN Politics ‏@CNNPolitics 21m22 minutes ago
76% of people surveyed say you shouldn't stare at a train wrecks as you pass by

 

[qwesley]

CNN Politics ‏@CNNPolitics 21m22 minutes ago
76% of people surveyed say you shouldn't stare at a train wrecks as you pass by

99% of catpaw said you should pay brady

 

[Big_Blue79]

WHO CAN BE AGAINST THIS? IT'S AMAZING! It looks like there was a raid on the scraps that carpet stores give away for runners and such. Low quality stain master carpeting for you head.

True story - I was a witness for a case in Cyprus when I lived there, only it was the part run by the British military (kinda-sorta, it's complicated). Full out wigs and robes in the stifling 95 degree plus 80% humidity summer. It was great.

 

[qwesley]

CNN Politics ‏@CNNPolitics 4h4 hours ago
Ron Paul: I will not vote for Donald Trump http://cnnpolitics.com

 

[wkycatfan]

CNN Politics ‏@CNNPolitics 4h4 hours ago
Ron Paul: I will not vote for Donald Trump http://cnnpolitics.com

Cause he's voting Gary Johnson.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

Good luck to this Country and God Bless us all. We sure need it.

The world will look up and shout "SAVE ME" and I'll whisper... "no".

 

[buckethead1978]

She got what she deserved. Punch me and I would punch you back.

Jesus wept.

 

[warrior-cat]

The world will look up and shout "SAVE ME" and I'll whisper... "no".

That would be because they were hanging upside down when they were looking.

 

[warrior-cat]

Jesus wept.

And so did she after the deserved pepper spray. I wonder what you and others would say if these type of people protested at Hillary's and Bernie's rallies. Hillary is much worse than Trump and so is her people. When ask a question about her past problems, she blows up and goes on a tirade about how she is tired of Bernie's lies. It is her people (or Bernie's) who are pushing themselves on people at these Trump rallies. Where is the outrage on that?

 

[wkycatfan]

Cruz and Bernie leading in Wisconsin. We may have 2 messed up conventions.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

I get Trump, that was inevitable... but how in hell did the GOP let a guy like Cruz get to where he is? If they wanted a nut then Walker would have at least been palatable in a general.

Bernie is the future. The country (youth) has lost faith in capitalism. They rightfully see it as an Oligarchy and a rigged game just like Wall Street. They want something different and if not in this election then soon. The hogs have feed too long and too deeply at the trough and the people are no longer going to support 1% of the population insanely hording the entire wealth of a nation. It will be undone at the ballot box or at the end of a gun, one way or the other. This is the beginnings of revolution that's why the insanity now appears normal.

 

[wkycatfan]

 

[qwesley]

State Dems implement a shady pension system and underfund it for decades and now throw rocks at the GOP for trying to fund it. The outrage from Matt Jones and others is rather pathetic.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

For the faux libertarian:

CNN Politics ‏@CNNPolitics 22m22 minutes ago
75% of people surveyed say Donald Trump has had too much media coverage http://cnn.it/1ZOhOf5 via @DylanByers

No reasonable person would disagree with that. Hes had way too much.

State Dems implement a shady pension system and underfund it for decades and now throw rocks at the GOP for trying to fund it. The outrage from Matt Jones and others is rather pathetic.

Its a joke. "WAHHH CUTS HURT!!11" Of course they hurt. Its what happens when someone has to return the state to some sort of fiscal reality. Its now viewed as extreme to think someone wants a balanced budget. Sad. I suspect we're not far off from having to physically drag the dems into congress for a quorum much like Wisconsin a few years back when Dems werent getting their big govt ways.

 

[JHB4UK]

Bevin was trying to make a great point that has been discussed on this site many times, the amount of wasteful spending by colleges who refuse to tighten their fiscal belts but rather pass on higher & higher costs to student via tuition is an outrage. Followed up with a very poor 'run along kids' conclusion. Very bad politics, and ruined a winning argument. novice mistake by a guy in his first few months in an actual political position.

 

[qwesley]

Yikes, via politco

Today, the focus is back on Chicago, with a staggering statistic: Chicago police stops have dropped 90 percent -- from more than 157,000 up to this point last year to roughly 21,000 so far this year. No coincidence that the city is experiencing its bloodiest start in nearly two decades.The latest data shows violence has not relented since January, with both shootings and murders sharply rising.

It’s also no secret that plummeting police morale drove Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s decision to tap an insider, CPD veteran Eddie Johnson, as Interim Superintendent. Emanuel has said street cops are acting cautiously for fear of becoming the next “viral video.” Chicago Police are feeling the effects of anti-cop sentiment in Chicago with negative national headlines piling on since the video of the Laquan McDonald shooting was released last November.

 

[wkycatfan]

Such a horrible thing that the White House has done to local police all over the country. In his attempt to use the bully pulpit to do something about a few bad, racist cops who love using deadly force, he has damaged local police all over the country. The end result is causing good cops to now hesitate in using deadly force, when they really need to in order to protect themselves, as well as causing low morale on forces, and making the profession less appealing.

 

[P19978]

Such a horrible thing that the White House has done to local police all over the country. In his attempt to use the bully pulpit to do something about a few bad, racist cops who love using deadly force, he has damaged local police all over the country. The end result is causing good cops to now hesitate in using deadly force, when they really need to in order to protect themselves, as well as causing low morale on forces, and making the profession less appealing.

Welcome to Obama's World, where "anything goes".

No rules, no morals, no "right or wrong"... unless you're a conservative.

 

[fuzz77]

Such a horrible thing that the White House has done to local police all over the country. In his attempt to use the bully pulpit to do something about a few bad, racist cops who love using deadly force, he has damaged local police all over the country. The end result is causing good cops to now hesitate in using deadly force, when they really need to in order to protect themselves, as well as causing low morale on forces, and making the profession less appealing.

So the White House is responsible for the "bad cops"?
How about the good cops being responsible and calling out the bad ones?
The White House didn't catch all of these cops on video shooting folks in the back, shooting someone 16,17 times as they walked by a dozen other cops who obviously didn't feel threatened. Shooting stopped motorist claiming they feared being run over (despite standing outside the driver's door) when the motorist tried to drive away.
Look, I don't have anything against cops. It's certainly not a job I would ever want. But the use of deadly force should always, always, always be the action of last resort. A large part of our problem IMHO is the fact that so many cops come from the military where the rules of engagement are so very different.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Great analysis as always, Fuzz.

 

[dcollett0920]

So the White House is responsible for the "bad cops"?
How about the good cops being responsible and calling out the bad ones?
The White House didn't catch all of these cops on video shooting folks in the back, shooting someone 16,17 times as they walked by a dozen other cops who obviously didn't feel threatened. Shooting stopped motorist claiming they feared being run over (despite standing outside the driver's door) when the motorist tried to drive away.
Look, I don't have anything against cops. It's certainly not a job I would ever want. But the use of deadly force should always, always, always be the action of last resort. A large part of our problem IMHO is the fact that so many cops come from the military where the rules of engagement are so very different.

That is a gripe I have with police. They want residents in poor communities to snitch on criminals. But they aren't willing to do that for the "bad cops". They know who they are.

 

[GrandePdre]

>>>>>>

 

[GrandePdre]

No way anyone will vote for a Bush at this point. Just not happening. Trump had a decent shot until the GOP establishment turned on him. Now its a disaster.

Trump has NEVER had a decent shot at winning the presidency, and you're getting a particularly healthy dose right now of why. Trump supporters have been on the Titanic unknowingly for a while now, and you now see the iceberg hitting you. Congrats.

And the "establishment" never turned on him. He's been unelectable from Day 1, and most of us saw this coming.

 

[wkycatfan]

So the White House is responsible for the "bad cops"?

Uh, no.

 

[P19978]

Trump has NEVER had a decent shot at winning the presidency, and you're getting a particularly healthy dose right now of why. Trump supporters have been on the Titanic unknowingly for a while now, and you now see the iceberg hitting you. Congrats.

And the "establishment" never turned on him. He's been unelectable from Day 1, and most of us saw this coming.

With all due respect I think you're wrong: Trump supporters have never been fooled.

I think they know EXACTLY what they're getting. They just dont care because they believe the other candidates are even worse.

I'm not a Trump supporter but I'd have no problem pulling the lever for him vs Cankles.

 

[jamo0001]

People who thought Trump had a shot at the presidency are some poor, naive bastahds. Learn demographics.

There just aren't enough poor, dumb, disaffected white folk in this country to win that type of election anymore, especially if you're gonna alienate their women at the same time.

 

[wkycatfan]

jamo, I think a Trump presidency is 'possible', depending on current events, primarily increased terror attacks, especialy on US soil. God forbid.

Plus, people just aren't excited about Cankles, and turnout could be poor.

I think, generally, you are correct, however.