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Dems still intent on killing this lady by forcing her to "work" well beyond her years.
Can someone tell me the negatives of a government shutdown?
Edit: I feel like the only reason anyone gives a shit is because the narrative is that a government shutdown means something negative, but no one ever stops to talk about what it actually means. Obviously when Obama was president, he was threatening to stop Social Security payments, but that was 100% his choice, was it not?
In reality a government shutdown doesn't mean a goddam thing. Federal government employees will get a few days off, then they'll end up getting paid for those days anyway.
If Trump truly wants to make an impact, he will shut things down for an extended period, and not allow government employees any back pay for days off (if he has that power).
Edit: I feel like the only reason anyone gives a shit is because the narrative is that a government shutdown means something negative, but no one ever stops to talk about what it actually means. Obviously when Obama was president, he was threatening to stop Social Security payments, but that was 100% his choice, was it not?
In reality a government shutdown doesn't mean a goddam thing. Federal government employees will get a few days off, then they'll end up getting paid for those days anyway.
If Trump truly wants to make an impact, he will shut things down for an extended period, and not allow government employees any back pay for days off (if he has that power).
Merry Christmas to even the losers and haters.
It just makes congress & the president look like dumbasses, which they already are. and it ends up costing us a ton of money to shut services down and then restart them and back pay employees for not doing any work. If it goes on to long it will start delaying tax refunds. other than that it doesn't really do anything, like 90% of the government stays open becasue they are considered essential.
I hope you're right Bill but not sure I share the optimism. This would be just an absolute massive win for Trump and its just hard to see the dems helping him. Their base would lose their minds if that happened.
You don't seem understand how this works, you think those Senators want to spend Christmas and New Year in DC? Because that's exactly where they will be if they don't approve the Bill passed by the House.
It's gonna pass, you might as well accept it.
Yeah I get the point. I'm sure Trump will either do a speech on it or will talk about it in a speech anyway.
Trump won't let them leave DC if it isn't approved.
As to the first part of your post, you are an idiot if you don't understand that the last person/group that blocks the progress, whether that is Trump or the Senate Dems, will be perceived to be at fault. right now it looks to be the Senate Dems. As to the second part of your post, how long do you think either party will hold out? If you think any shutdown lasts more than a week, give or take a few days, you are an idiot.
Interesting proposal about requiring all white males to get homo married. I know you meant it as an exaggeration/deterrent to funding the wall, but there's more truth there than you would ever care to concede.
MAGMA! He's hot!
Shut it down democrats, shut it down you morons.
This government can give money to every backward country on this globe, it can fund Planned Parenthood which kills millions of innocent babies but it will not fund a little border security? That sounds like a winner.
Trump just won 2020
This government can give money to every backward country on this globe, it can fund Planned Parenthood which kills millions of innocent babies but it will not fund a little border security? That sounds like a winner.
Trump just won 2020
Most soldiers I know would rather stay out of it over there right now. But hey, that's just a take from a lowly government worker who deploys soldiers on a daily basis and is anecdotal.
By pulling out of Syria and other Mid East hell holes we can save billions of dollars and the lives of our precious military personnel. Now build that wall, we have the money for it. Thank you President Trump.
they don't have to stay in DC because of a shut down. Trump doesn't control when they can go home. McConnel will say oh well, we'll try again in January. Trump plans to go hide in Mar a lago for 2 weeks so they don't give a shit about where he wants them to be. Right now there aren't even enough republican senators in DC to reach the "nuclear" option that they aren't going to use.
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Correct on most points. Only one thing to add, those areas of the government which are immediately essential keep on working. For instance, troop deployment and paying government employees continues. I know because I have had to work through 2 government shutdowns and yes, those who did not have to work got paid anyway despite not being there.
Yes, Trump can recall them, McConnell can keep them in session. Trump already stated he wasn’t leaving DC if the Govt shuts down.
They won’t have to do the nuclear option because Schumer has no back bone. He knows it’s on the Dems if the Govt shuts down. You think he’s gonna take heat for 5 Billion dollars? Not a chance
The decision is clear in the ME. We either get out or we stay there for eternity because those people will fight with one another until the end of time. We need to do just enough to help our allies, but spending hundreds of billions to trillions of dollars along with precious lives trying to help people who hate us while our own country is falling apart and in massive debt is the definition of insanity. Mattis did a great job in containing ISIS (I think Trump is wrong saying they are defeated), but Afghanistan is a lost cause and he did not make much of a dent there.
That's a fact. To me, if we're going to stay there for eternity we should just wipe them all out and get it over with.
That's why I think complete withdrawal is the only real option
So you are saying if there is ever a "Win A Date With Ruth Bader Ginsburg" contest, count you out?
How was this not already a thing? Oh that's right, our last president loved some radical islam
Yeah, if you're going to war, go to war. If our modern leaders had been in charge during WW II, we'd all be speaking German and Japanese. And we'd have executed half our own soldiers for war crimes.
They have been fighting long before we got there and will be fighting long after we are gone.
I've said this before, and I will say it again: The only reason the ME has any bearing on our politics is because of oil. There will come a day in 3 to 5 decades when the oil dries up, and their money and influence will immediately dry up as well. They can beat each other with sticks and rocks and throw the abundant sand in one another's faces all they want, we won't give an eff. War in the ME (as long as it is contained in the ME) is probably in our best interest because they will expend their military weaponry.
I know it is a callous position, but no matter what we do over there, we are going to be the bad guy. Cut bait and let them figure things out for themselves.
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The use of executive orders was used much more rampantly by numerous Presidents long before Obama was even old enough to be eligible to run for President. 15 presidents issued more executive orders than Obama did, nine of which were Republicans/Conservative in W. Bush, Nixon, Reagan, Eisenhower, Harding, Taft, Hoover, Theodore Roosevelt, and Coolidge.
Shh. He treated that term like it was summoning Beetlejuice.
Same with "fascism." And "Nazi." And "Disregard for rule of law." And a whole host of ____isms and _____phobias.
"Fake news" = coverage of the presidency that Trump doesn't like
And yeah, what Corker is saying has been obvious for two years now. Trump is informed, influenced, and ultimately controlled by a couple shows on Fox News.
You guys hate Cork Dogg's free speech because it bothers you, but you know it's the truth. You're only fine with it because you're TV news lemmings yourselves.
Ever heard of independent thinking? Reason? Logic? You should try it sometime.
You guys have been brain washed for so long now you have no idea what is fake or real. Party on Bro and leave the country to us. Just please don't ever vote again.
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