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Wow, you cannot put a price tag on that. Invaluable.
Absolutely. When/if it drops you will get a day or two of media discrediting it, then Justin Timberlake will be accused of sexual misconduct and OMG the world will almost shutdown.
But voters will remember this. Most people don’t vote. This stuff will probably inspire some independents to come out and vote. That helps.
Wow, you cannot put a price tag on that. Invaluable.
Absolutely. When/if it drops you will get a day or two of media discrediting it, then Justin Timberlake will be accused of sexual misconduct and OMG the world will almost shutdown.
But voters will remember this. Most people don’t vote. This stuff will probably inspire some independents to come out and vote. That helps.
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Big booty Statue of Liberty with a 'Queen of Spades' tattoo. Says more about her than Trump.
Oh yeah... I forgot to ask you guys about the dude thaty called in to KSR yesterday talking about the US military issue with FitbIt devices and uploading info/locations to a database and being able to use that database/website to locate US military interests/installation location s world-wide.
This is about the most info a quick search returned.
https://mashable.com/2018/01/28/strava-fitbit-fitness-tracker-global-heatmap-threat/#WcGVYxrUWPq0
This is about the most info a quick search returned.
https://mashable.com/2018/01/28/strava-fitbit-fitness-tracker-global-heatmap-threat/#WcGVYxrUWPq0
ICE raid hits 77 businesses in Northern California
Less than a month after federal immigration officials raided nearly 100 7-Eleven stores nationwide, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents conducted another sweep this week in Northern California, officials said Thursday.
This time, ICE agents searched 77 businesses in the San Francisco and Sacramento areas in what was believed to be the largest localized raid since President Donald Trump took office, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
The raid underscores ICE acting director Thomas Homan’s call for a “400 percent increase” in agency operations focusing on workplaces, the paper reported.
Federal immigration officials issued notices of inspection, and ordered the businesses to provide proof their employees are legally allowed to work in the U.S. -- giving them three days to comply, the paper reported.
Security threat? Fitness devices could give away locations of soldiers
Less than a month after federal immigration officials raided nearly 100 7-Eleven stores nationwide, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents conducted another sweep this week in Northern California, officials said Thursday.
This time, ICE agents searched 77 businesses in the San Francisco and Sacramento areas in what was believed to be the largest localized raid since President Donald Trump took office, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
The raid underscores ICE acting director Thomas Homan’s call for a “400 percent increase” in agency operations focusing on workplaces, the paper reported.
Federal immigration officials issued notices of inspection, and ordered the businesses to provide proof their employees are legally allowed to work in the U.S. -- giving them three days to comply, the paper reported.
Security threat? Fitness devices could give away locations of soldiers
Memo Reading for Nonpartisans
Ignore the spin. When the document goes public, here’s what to look for.
The White House looks set to release the House Intelligence Committee memo on 2016 government surveillance abuses, which means the attacks on the document by Democrats, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the media are going to get wilder. To help navigate through the spin, here’s a handy guide for what to look for, and what to ignore:
• Rationale. Did the FBI have cause to open a full-blown counterintelligence probe into an active presidential campaign? That’s a breathtakingly consequential and unprecedented action and surely could not be justified without much more than an overheard drunken conversation or an unsourced dossier. What hard evidence did the FBI have?
• Tools and evidence. Government possesses few counterintelligence tools more powerful or frightening than the ability to spy on American citizens. If the FBI obtained permission from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to monitor Trump aide Carter Page based on information from the Christopher Steele dossier, that in itself is a monumental scandal. It means the FBI used a document commissioned by one presidential campaign as a justification to spy on another. Ignore any arguments that the dossier was not a “basis” for the warrant or only used “in part.” If the FBI had to use it in its application, it means it didn’t have enough other evidence to justify surveillance.
Look to see what else the FBI presented to the court as a justification for monitoring, and whether it was manufactured. Mr. Steele and his client, Fusion GPS, ginned up breathless news stories about the dossier’s unverified accusations in September 2016 in order to influence the election. The FBI sometimes presents news articles to the court, but primarily for corroboration of other facts. If the FBI used the conspiracy stories Mr. Steele was spinning as actual justification—evidence—to the court, that’s out of bounds.
• Omissions and misdirection. What else did the FBI tell the court? One would presume the bureau did its due diligence and knew Mr. Steele ultimately worked for the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee. The FISA court puts considerable emphasis on the credibility of sources. Did the FBI inform the court of the Clinton connection? Or did it lean on the claim that the Fusion project was originally funded by Republicans? Such a claim might diminish the partisan stench. But it would also be a falsehood, since the dossier portion of the project was purely funded by Clinton allies. And if the FBI didn’t bother to ask who hired Mr. Steele or Fusion, that’s a scandal all its own.
Also, look to see whether the FBI informed the court that Mr. Steele was blabbing to the press. When he first approached the bureau in July, he hadn’t yet briefed the media. But by September he and Fusion were publicly spinning the dossier for their Democratic client, and the FBI would have known who was generating the stories. Did the FBI continue to attest something that clearly was no longer true?
• Duration of surveillance. The FBI may argue it had good cause to look into Mr. Page. But if months of wiretaps didn’t turn up anything (and surely we’d have heard if they did), the FBI also had a duty to cease such a liberty-busting intrusion. Ask how long this probe went on and whether it was justified, or if the FBI was simply giving itself an open-ended license to spy on a campaign.
Expect Trump critics to renew their effort to turn Mr. Page into a Manchurian aide, seizing on his every action or word while ignoring the small role he played in the campaign, not to mention his obvious oddness. This will be designed to make people forget that for all the focus on Mr. Page, he was and remains a private citizen, who apparently was subject to months of government monitoring based on what may prove nothing more than the gossip of a rival campaign.
• Team Obama. Somewhat lost in this narrative is what role if any the broader Obama administration might have played with regard to the dossier. What actions were taken by former CIA Director John Brennan, or former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper ? Also don’t forget Bruce Ohr, the Justice Department official whose wife worked for Fusion GPS, and who himself met with Fusion cofounder Glenn Simpson. Or the Justice Department officials who approved court filings. If there was surveillance abuse, accountability shouldn’t stop with the FBI.
Mostly, ignore what is certain to be a nonstop shriek that this memo is out of context, that it omits facts or cherry-picks data or makes unfair allegations. You know, sort of like what Democrats and the media did this past year in their “Russia investigation.” The difference here is that the memo only needs to provide a few facts for the country to understand if there was FISA abuse.
The rest is noise.
Ignore the spin. When the document goes public, here’s what to look for.
The White House looks set to release the House Intelligence Committee memo on 2016 government surveillance abuses, which means the attacks on the document by Democrats, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the media are going to get wilder. To help navigate through the spin, here’s a handy guide for what to look for, and what to ignore:
• Rationale. Did the FBI have cause to open a full-blown counterintelligence probe into an active presidential campaign? That’s a breathtakingly consequential and unprecedented action and surely could not be justified without much more than an overheard drunken conversation or an unsourced dossier. What hard evidence did the FBI have?
• Tools and evidence. Government possesses few counterintelligence tools more powerful or frightening than the ability to spy on American citizens. If the FBI obtained permission from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to monitor Trump aide Carter Page based on information from the Christopher Steele dossier, that in itself is a monumental scandal. It means the FBI used a document commissioned by one presidential campaign as a justification to spy on another. Ignore any arguments that the dossier was not a “basis” for the warrant or only used “in part.” If the FBI had to use it in its application, it means it didn’t have enough other evidence to justify surveillance.
Look to see what else the FBI presented to the court as a justification for monitoring, and whether it was manufactured. Mr. Steele and his client, Fusion GPS, ginned up breathless news stories about the dossier’s unverified accusations in September 2016 in order to influence the election. The FBI sometimes presents news articles to the court, but primarily for corroboration of other facts. If the FBI used the conspiracy stories Mr. Steele was spinning as actual justification—evidence—to the court, that’s out of bounds.
• Omissions and misdirection. What else did the FBI tell the court? One would presume the bureau did its due diligence and knew Mr. Steele ultimately worked for the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee. The FISA court puts considerable emphasis on the credibility of sources. Did the FBI inform the court of the Clinton connection? Or did it lean on the claim that the Fusion project was originally funded by Republicans? Such a claim might diminish the partisan stench. But it would also be a falsehood, since the dossier portion of the project was purely funded by Clinton allies. And if the FBI didn’t bother to ask who hired Mr. Steele or Fusion, that’s a scandal all its own.
Also, look to see whether the FBI informed the court that Mr. Steele was blabbing to the press. When he first approached the bureau in July, he hadn’t yet briefed the media. But by September he and Fusion were publicly spinning the dossier for their Democratic client, and the FBI would have known who was generating the stories. Did the FBI continue to attest something that clearly was no longer true?
• Duration of surveillance. The FBI may argue it had good cause to look into Mr. Page. But if months of wiretaps didn’t turn up anything (and surely we’d have heard if they did), the FBI also had a duty to cease such a liberty-busting intrusion. Ask how long this probe went on and whether it was justified, or if the FBI was simply giving itself an open-ended license to spy on a campaign.
Expect Trump critics to renew their effort to turn Mr. Page into a Manchurian aide, seizing on his every action or word while ignoring the small role he played in the campaign, not to mention his obvious oddness. This will be designed to make people forget that for all the focus on Mr. Page, he was and remains a private citizen, who apparently was subject to months of government monitoring based on what may prove nothing more than the gossip of a rival campaign.
• Team Obama. Somewhat lost in this narrative is what role if any the broader Obama administration might have played with regard to the dossier. What actions were taken by former CIA Director John Brennan, or former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper ? Also don’t forget Bruce Ohr, the Justice Department official whose wife worked for Fusion GPS, and who himself met with Fusion cofounder Glenn Simpson. Or the Justice Department officials who approved court filings. If there was surveillance abuse, accountability shouldn’t stop with the FBI.
Mostly, ignore what is certain to be a nonstop shriek that this memo is out of context, that it omits facts or cherry-picks data or makes unfair allegations. You know, sort of like what Democrats and the media did this past year in their “Russia investigation.” The difference here is that the memo only needs to provide a few facts for the country to understand if there was FISA abuse.
The rest is noise.
Can't wait for platinum to tell us how Obama should get credit for this
Politics is this country is almost like trench warfare now. Anybody who attempts to compromise ends up in no man's land.
Overhyped, yet he's scrambling, trying to set up a Friday morning emergency meeting with FBI, attempting a last ditch effort to stop it.
Rep. Jerry Nadler requests emergency meeting for House Judiciary Committee over memo
Rep. Jerrold Nadler said Friday that he’s requested an emergency meeting of the House Judiciary Committee with FBI Director Christopher Wray regarding the Republican memo on possible abuses of power in the justice system.
“What this is is obviously part of a very direct campaign to discredit and to distract attention …[from] the investigation of the Russian interference into our election,” he said.
Mr. Nadler added that the contents of the memo, and what it reveals about the source documents, has been “overhyped” by Republicans.
Rep. Jerry Nadler requests emergency meeting for House Judiciary Committee over memo
Rep. Jerrold Nadler said Friday that he’s requested an emergency meeting of the House Judiciary Committee with FBI Director Christopher Wray regarding the Republican memo on possible abuses of power in the justice system.
“What this is is obviously part of a very direct campaign to discredit and to distract attention …[from] the investigation of the Russian interference into our election,” he said.
Mr. Nadler added that the contents of the memo, and what it reveals about the source documents, has been “overhyped” by Republicans.
What’s the difference between this investigation and Bob Mueller’s investigation. I say let them both play out, dims should be cool with that right?
The main difference I can think of is that this investigation is actually legit.
It is literally Congress' duty to conduct congressional oversight over the Executive Branch, including US federal agencies.
Who would've thought we would've got such a literal application of MAGA? I love it
WTF?? Fitbit? Our soldiers are wearing fitbits?
And this Strava satellite service...is this something you automatically subscribe to when you use the fitbit? LIke it's in all that fine print stuff you don't read and nobody cares about?
That seems dumb as hell and hard to believe.
Taxmageddon- Altria is giving its employees $3,000 bonuses thanks to the new tax cuts.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...llar3000-bonuses-with-tax-windfall/ar-BBIBN2j
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...llar3000-bonuses-with-tax-windfall/ar-BBIBN2j
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They're flat broke, too. Linked an article yesterday or the day before. The DNC only raised about 5M in December, giving them a total of about 6.4M, but they also owe 6M in debts.
Meanwhile, the RNC is pulling in a record number of donations, mostly small from actual voters and not rich donors, and zero debt.
Completely agree. Angry that it could be that easy to foil the greatest military in the world, intentional or ortherwise.
This recent rash of maritime collisions, helicopter crashes and other military follies of the past couple years are not making feel all warm and fuzzy.
As long as the GOP doesn't do anything completely ridiculous, there's no reason why they shouldn't crush the dems in November.
This is a perfect example of what I was talking about the other day. Some of these people have been brainwashed to the point that anything that isn't an all out fake Russia news assault on Trump, facts be damned, is quickly discarded as "pro-Trump propaganda".
Great point. No doubt if it was abused against a presidential candidate, that it was probably abused several other times too.
Imagine what the Dem Party would look like if they didn’t control media, academia and Hollywood? Who the eff would vote for this group?
Memo is coming out at noon. Hopefully, God let’s us witness the beginning of the destruction of the Dem Party in 10 minutes.
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