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How will they rule ??!

  • YES - Qualified

    Votes: 41 82.0%
  • NO - Disqualified

    Votes: 9 18.0%

  • Total voters
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But I will answer this to perhaps an empty theater. I think the fair thing to do is support these full time employees with a livable wage. People should be given a livable wage and work livable hours. 35K should be minimum threshold for full time workers. If they did this, I'd be fine paying first year teachers 38K (my first year salary). In doing this, they would also need to fix the CEO and executives pay. CEO's should not make 399x what the lowest employee makes.

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Gap should grow most years, but all boats should float. Bad years should see gap shrink more considerably. Unfortunately, not all boats rise with the tides and the poorest are more directly affected in bad years.
I appreciate the effort. Celine was never able to make a thoughtful argument, bc he never truly thought about it.

But the gap should grow EVERY year. Otherwise, we have collapse and that helps no one.

The "poor" in this country are better off than 95% of the world. Their boat has risen substantially. Again, appeal to emotion is not an argument.

Shouldnt you be "teaching"? I feel like i am the only one teaching rn.
 
I’d prefer a system with strong unions and worker rights, but if Trump is able to deliver in a different way, but relief the burden of everyday life I’ll stay in my lane and be very gracious.
Unions served a purpose once upon a time. But now there are all kinds of departments & programs protecting workers rights such as OSHA, EEOC, DOL, FLSA, OWCP, SHARE, MSHA, etc…(I could have filled up the entire page and half of another)

Also, seniority (which promotes wage gap based solely on years of employment) and job protection for bad employees are staples of “strong” unions. That doesn’t exactly align with your “true meritocracy” ideals. It also doesn’t align with “best practices” business models.

Speaking of wage gaps, here’s a backwater (or port water) anecdotal story for you…


ILA union leader salary 2023: $728,000
ILA union VP salary 2023: $700,000
(ILA union leader’s son)

Longshoreman top earners 2023: $81,000
(Base rate…doesn’t include OT)

That’s one helluva wage gap!!! I thought all wage gaps were bad. If you want to promote “strong unions” on this site then take your “wage gap” bitching and moaning elsewhere.


Many plants right here in Kentucky have had unions negotiate very nice wages for their employees…only to see the plant shut down & move to Mexico for cheaper labor costs. That little cable manufacturer from Wayne Co. you so eloquently evoked in your anecdotal post earlier is a shining example. That plant is now in Mexico. Go ask your buddy Jim Bob if he would rather have his job back at a little bit lesser rate or if he is happy with the few minuscule years he got with higher wages coupled with losing his job forever and scraping to get by today.

Also, if you are going to promote “strong unions” then you best get on board with Trumps tariffs and with tax breaks for corporations to level the playing field. Best two ways to combat the cheap labor in countries where they don’t have union wages, safe working conditions, worker’s rights, etc…That’s just the reality of the situation.

Re: tax breaks. People like you & AOC don’t understand this very simple concept. If a plant is paying union wages you best be giving them significant tax breaks if you want them to build in/stay in your community. If not…they gone. You were the same type of people giving Martha Layne Collins a hard time back in the 80’s for traveling to Japan and wooing Toyota to Georgetown. Furious about the tax breaks that they were going to get. Look what Toyota has meant for the economy in not just G-Town but in all of central Kentucky (multiple feeder plants and metal stamping plants) since Toyota & their evil tax breaks set up shop.

Final note: Remember Obama? The guy you voted for twice. He said eff the US manufacturing industry. He said “those jobs are never coming back” and “learn to code”. Trump, the guy you didn’t vote for either time, brought some of those manufacturing jobs back during his first term. He will bring more back during his second term. My advice to you Mr. Pro Strong Union Guy is to vote for JD Vance during the next two elections to keep those jobs in the US so that conversations about unions will even be able to remain relevant. YWIA

Merry Christmas, komrade!!!
 
Mikey the commie is kinda saying a bunch of evil shit on here.
Targeting the rich instead of aspiring to join them.
Wanting everyone to be equal by lowering the standard of living for all.
If all monies were confiscated and divided equally, in short order the dumbasses would be separated from their share.
I am delighted to know my children will not be indoctrinated at school by this fool.
 
Why can';t we take half your salary and give it to the custodian? Sounds equitable to me.

I used to support teachers, genuinely desriign them getting paid better, until I started reading their comments here on the Catpaw. Who educated the "educators?" 😯
You are purposely being obtuse. What pisses me off about my district is that we only pay bus drivers, cooks, and janitors a .5 pay scale. They only get paid 4 hours, but oftentimes work beyond that to make sure the job is done for us and the kids.
The difference between that happening and it not happening is not the CEO's salary.

Lots of things should be that aren't. Your socialist utopia doesn't work because it can't work. You'll never have everyone everywhere able to only work 40 hours and be comfortable.
CEO should make money and should make significantly more than the bottom of the totem, but this current model is a newer phenomenon. Companies continually raise salaries of CEO's to attract and maintain them. CEO's are certainly a limited resource in this country, but these stock options and deferred payments and other loopholes only started in the 90's. We have to curb this trend. I think in the 60's, the gap was only 50x.

I appreciate the effort. Celine was never able to make a thoughtful argument, bc he never truly thought about it.

But the gap should grow EVERY year. Otherwise, we have collapse and that helps no one.

The "poor" in this country are better off than 95% of the world. Their boat has risen substantially. Again, appeal to emotion is not an argument.

Shouldnt you be "teaching"? I feel like i am the only one teaching rn.
I disagree on the third point. My justification being that there's a huge population of Americans that live 20 years less than the US life expectancy.

Definitely could have been utilizing my plan better this week, been taking a lot of work home with me. Able to quickly respond during passing when I have bathroom duties.
The "blame the executives" populist approach, is not the way. Scary times when a CEO gets murdered in cold blood and a significant amount of the population seems happy about it.
There's certainly better ways, but Anthem planned on reducing the amount of anesthesia used in surgery. They rescinded that policy after the attack.
 
He wont cross the finish line. Desanctis?

She either wants the job or the military complex are flexing their control over her. Likely both are in play. Felt she has been way too close to the Trump transition to begin with and then this happens. Liked her when she first ran but she became a part of the establishment.
 
You are purposely being obtuse. What pisses me off about my district is that we only pay bus drivers, cooks, and janitors a .5 pay scale. They only get paid 4 hours, but oftentimes work beyond that to make sure the job is done for us and the kids.

CEO should make money and should make significantly more than the bottom of the totem, but this current model is a newer phenomenon. Companies continually raise salaries of CEO's to attract and maintain them. CEO's are certainly a limited resource in this country, but these stock options and deferred payments and other loopholes only started in the 90's. We have to curb this trend. I think in the 60's, the gap was only 50x.


I disagree on the third point. My justification being that there's a huge population of Americans that live 20 years less than the US life expectancy.

Definitely could have been utilizing my plan better this week, been taking a lot of work home with me. Able to quickly respond during passing when I have bathroom duties.

There's certainly better ways, but Anthem planned on reducing the amount of anesthesia used in surgery. They rescinded that policy after the attack.

I'm not reading all that, especially after some "teacher" tells me I'm the one being obtuse.

I ddin't read your other posts either, but from what I gleaned from skimming you were saying they should give the CEO's bonus to 4 thousand employees, would give them an extra 32k. But DollarTree has over 200k employees. What about everyone else?

Yes, someone is being obtuse here, but it's you and not on purpose. Who educated the educators? You weren't; you were indoctrinated.
 
You are purposely being obtuse. What pisses me off about my district is that we only pay bus drivers, cooks, and janitors a .5 pay scale. They only get paid 4 hours, but oftentimes work beyond that to make sure the job is done for us and the kids.

CEO should make money and should make significantly more than the bottom of the totem, but this current model is a newer phenomenon. Companies continually raise salaries of CEO's to attract and maintain them. CEO's are certainly a limited resource in this country, but these stock options and deferred payments and other loopholes only started in the 90's. We have to curb this trend. I think in the 60's, the gap was only 50x.


I disagree on the third point. My justification being that there's a huge population of Americans that live 20 years less than the US life expectancy.

Definitely could have been utilizing my plan better this week, been taking a lot of work home with me. Able to quickly respond during passing when I have bathroom duties.

There's certainly better ways, but Anthem planned on reducing the amount of anesthesia used in surgery. They rescinded that policy after the attack.
When do you actually “teach”? Are you sure you’re not in a coal lab? If you’re not Dion, I sure would have lost that bet. Seems you’ve just watered down your shtick at first but it’s making its way back.
 
If you were a true capitalist, you’d been livid that Trump and Biden forgave 3.7 trillion in PPE loans. Like if a business is forced to closed, that’s natural selection. We have a system that enriches the already rich. I can speak hyperbole here, but I just want to see a just system.
There was zero market for most industries during Covid. Capitalism was selectively frozen (construction industry hummed right along for instance). Some might even say that was the main purpose of the extreme lockdowns…to KEEP capitalism frozen permanently…so that a version of socialism could be installed under the veil of a declared national emergency.

Disingenuous stance to equate PPE loans during Covid with the type of bullshit commie socialistic system you want to install.

Also, sounds like you should be the biggest fan of the Elon/Vivek DOGE efforts. They are all about meritocracy & “just” systems of operation. Get on board, komrade!!!
 
You couldn't beat me at this. If you have a working Nintendo, please invite me over....I'm going to kill you. I didn't even know much about Vince Lombardi as a kid, but I called myself Vince Lombardi of this game. You will lose....also, air hockey. You will lose that too. (if you want to know one of the secrets to winning at the game I will tell you)

What team do you use?
 
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There was zero market for most industries during Covid. Capitalism was selectively frozen (construction industry hummed right along for instance). Some might even say that was the main purpose of the extreme lockdowns…to KEEP capitalism frozen permanently…so that a version of socialism could be installed under the veil of a declared national emergency.
COVID loans were still BS. Should have been 1/3 of what they were.
 
And you are an authority on this topic? What do you know about federal government workers in DC?

As for working in the office, I work in Big Law. IMO there is no question that people are more productive in the office, and working mainly remotely is a drain on the development of younger attorneys, the quality of the work done, the collegiality of the work environment, etc. I'm in favor of requiring people to be in the office most of the time, but most big law firms are not doing that.
You are in Big Law and don't have the intelligence to look at the Democratic party as pure filth. You are a direct exmaple why "Big Law" etc. is getting completely dismantled in DC.......to get rid of all the smug losers.
 
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You obviously have no clue about the entire topic, from the financials to the intangibles of having people back in the office....productivity, community effect, morale, accountability (to name a few)
Yep... Just saw a former military guy on Fox say... Procurement is broken, enlistment is down, morale is in the toilet... Hegseth is there to fix that. Some of these people seem to think just keeping on doing what we've been doing can fix it. Very definition of insanity.
 
He wont cross the finish line. Desanctis?

Trump won Iowa by 13 points. Ernst won by 6.... I think people need to quit sucking up to the RINO's and instead of them doing the threatening we need to do the threatening. Iowa wouldn't be close at all if people like Ernst actually believed in the stuff they run on. She wanted to be Trumps VP in '16 and his Sec Def this time. She's buthurt he didn't pick her. She can get on board or get primaried.
 
And you are an authority on this topic? What do you know about federal government workers in DC?

As for working in the office, I work in Big Law. IMO there is no question that people are more productive in the office, and working mainly remotely is a drain on the development of younger attorneys, the quality of the work done, the collegiality of the work environment, etc. I'm in favor of requiring people to be in the office most of the time, but most big law firms are not doing that.
One of the big losses from work from home is mentorship. Many companies have noted this lately. People hired the last few years just aren't improving like before work from home.
 
I'm not reading all that, especially after some "teacher" tells me I'm the one being obtuse.

I ddin't read your other posts either, but from what I gleaned from skimming you were saying they should give the CEO's bonus to 4 thousand employees, would give them an extra 32k. But DollarTree has over 200k employees. What about everyone else?

Yes, someone is being obtuse here, but it's you and not on purpose. Who educated the educators? You weren't; you were indoctrinated.
That’s the problem, right. You don’t read because you already “know”. I’m spouting my POV, but I do listen in good faith and change my opinion when new info arises. CEO’s should be paid, and handsomely might I add, but 399x over is egregious.
Also, sounds like you should be the biggest fan of the Elon/Vivek DOGE efforts. They are all about meritocracy & “just” systems of operation. Get on board, komrade!!!
Am on board. I’ve commented twice about this. Once about the redundancy of this since GAO exist. Folks here had good responses to this and I agreed with them.

And I am glad democrats on a national scale are jumping on. Shared an article yesterday about a Florida rep joining DOGE caucus.
When do you actually “teach”? Are you sure you’re not in a coal lab? If you’re not Dion, I sure would have lost that bet. Seems you’ve just watered down your shtick at first but it’s making its way back.
i have planning earlier. I read and post during that time, I have bathroom duty between class and read then, and now I’m on lunch. Replying meow.
 
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And you are an authority on this topic? What do you know about federal government workers in DC?

As for working in the office, I work in Big Law. IMO there is no question that people are more productive in the office, and working mainly remotely is a drain on the development of younger attorneys, the quality of the work done, the collegiality of the work environment, etc. I'm in favor of requiring people to be in the office most of the time, but most big law firms are not doing that.

The remote vs office topic isn't rocket science, and you don't have to be a top dawg BIG LAW to understand this.

What do I know about fed workers in DC? Quite a bit.

What do you want to discuss now, my favorite color?
 
She either wants the job or the military complex are flexing their control over her. Likely both are in play. Felt she has been way too close to the Trump transition to begin with and then this happens. Liked her when she first ran but she became a part of the establishment.



Ernst is done. People are going through her voting record and she is exactly what people voted against in this election.
 
Jury tells Judge they can't reach a consensus on Daniel Penny manslaughter charge. He's going to have his life ruined regardless since the deadbeat dad is suing him/trying to cash in.
I saw where the family kicked him out due to threats he made towards them. It was why he was homeless. The only thing they care about him for is to make money off his death.
 
Actually, it makes sense that a Liberal in Big Law has no intelligence. I know a few, personally, and they are dumber than dirt, lol. They smugly and erroeously have convinced themselves that they are smarter than others outside of their field and HATE any successful non-lawyers (that's why they hate Trump more than they love their own families) but at the end of the day they are nothing but toolboxes.
 
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