You're a teacher. So I'm guessing you make somewhere around 60-80k a year. The clerk at the dollar tree makes 25k a year. Do you think it's fair that you make 3x more than him
You didn't answer the question.
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Sorry but there's data on this. They "work" about two days a week. One example is the VA medical center hotline - approximately ONE THIRD of phone calls by vets never get answered.
Just like Celine used to do.
"He" also never answered my question about wealth gap. Just like Celine would never answer.
I think loopholes should be fixed so that companies cannot manipulate hours to avoid benefits. Once that is done then absolutely they should be paid a livable wage. Dollar tree employees 212k and 99% are part time. Dollar general uses the same predatory tactics. The bonus that the CEO got last year could have paid a 35k salary to 4000 employees. These companies can hire fewer employees and give them the hours and wage that they need to survive.
You don't threaten Trump.
He'll come back with something stronger. Elon can have her primaried. Guy's got unlimited funds. And Trump can twist arms in other ways.
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Well, now you're gonna miss the snarkiness... There are 3 easy arguments to destroy that myth, but for time, I'm just doing one. (okay I did 2)
Let's say person A is worth 1,000,000 and person B is worth 1,000. What is the wealth gap? $999,000.
For simplicity, discuss REAL dollars and remove inflation from the discussion. Next, let's say they invest all their wealth and get the same RoR (because we are all about fairness). What is the wealth gap in year 2? Higher or lower?
So ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE who thinks that gap should shrink cannot do math nor logic and have no reason to be near policy nor children.
For grins, I'll add #2 ... every year there is a new person, person C, leaving their parents right?!? And person C starts with the 1,000. So given the 10% RoR for EVERYONE (bc we're fair), that gap between A and C is larger than between A and B. And that happens EVERY YEAR.
So the wealth gap argument is disingenuous or incompetent.
Well, now you're gonna miss the snarkiness... There are 3 easy arguments to destroy that myth, but for time, I'm just doing one. (okay I did 2)
Let's say person A is worth 1,000,000 and person B is worth 1,000. What is the wealth gap? $999,000.
For simplicity, discuss REAL dollars and remove inflation from the discussion. Next, let's say they invest all their wealth and get the same RoR (because we are all about fairness). What is the wealth gap in year 2? Higher or lower?
So ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE who thinks that gap should shrink cannot do math nor logic and have no reason to be near policy nor children.
For grins, I'll add #2 ... every year there is a new person, person C, leaving their parents right?!? And person C starts with the 1,000. So given the 10% RoR for EVERYONE (bc we're fair), that gap between A and C is larger than between A and B. And that happens EVERY YEAR.
So the wealth gap argument is disingenuous or incompetent.
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Evidently, your ilk does have a system....it was enacted upon someone in NYC.
Accusations are only needed. It’s the Democrats way.
Schmidt getting real? I sure hope so... Seals involved now...Hallelujah! (Hopefully more to follow...)
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Believe all women, right shins??
Are you a faulty chatbot or something? I asked you a very simple question, do you think it's fair that you make 3x more than the person who works at DT. And you spat out a bunch of gobley gook that in no way answered the question. So you're either not very bright, are a bot, or you don't really have an interest in learning about other perspectives as you claim. I gave you a second chance to engage in an honest conversation and you chose your path. I have no interest in engaging with you further Celine, so to ignore you go. Audios.
In your carefully articulated scenario, the wealth gap will continue to grow, but both parties benefit from the system.
However, this scenario is disingenuous because the sheer ability to invest any money puts you in the 50th percentile of America or greater. There's also the problem of equity in that many of the much lower class simply don't have. They rent and lease vehicles and that money pumped out does not benefit them in the long run. These people also spend a disproportionate amount of their wages on consumables, because we all have to have these. This is why democrats have a huge problem with cutting income taxes and transitioning into a sales tax solution. These people pay very little in term of income taxes (because they work part time at places like DT and DG), they do receive assistance from the government, but the liquid cash they have is now being stretched further because of a greater sales tax.
This scenario really underscores the poverty class in America. The class unable to invest and the class less likely to have equity because of renting or leasing. This scenario also downplays the money the .1% truly has. These folks don't have traditional assets or salaries that can be taxed and so they pay little in that regard. However, they are able to take out loans and use stock as collateral. No taxes are paid on this and they are able to live exuberant lifestyles in exchange. When the pied piper calls, they simply take out another loan and the process continues until they die, at which point the bank is on the hook.
And you are an authority on this topic? What do you know about federal government workers in DC?
As for working in the office, I work in Big Law. IMO there is no question that people are more productive in the office, and working mainly remotely is a drain on the development of younger attorneys, the quality of the work done, the collegiality of the work environment, etc. I'm in favor of requiring people to be in the office most of the time, but most big law firms are not doing that.
So you advocate for confiscating wealth. Got it.
There is a good Op-Ed piece in the WSJ about this very topic - if Biden gives "preemptive" pardons to the people in his administration, then that will create a norm where subsequent presidents (Trump and all those who follow) might be expected to do the same. This would only encourage over the line behavior from people in cabinet level and similar positions because they know that basically "I can do whatever I want in this position, I'm just going to get pardoned when the president is on his way out."
You can have the CEO work for free and distribute all that to all the other employees and you would have accomplished nothing: zero, zip, zilch, nada.
It's just an emotional appeal to pass for an "argument;" lets you feel good with self-righteous indignation to celebrate the murder of a human being who makes 12 million dollars while denying insurance claims leading to bankruptcy. His salary had absolutly nothing to do with that. Take it away and you've fixed nothing but placated your hate for the successful.
As soon as the check from my nigerian prince clears...
It "Ain't" no BOT, BOT "got" some (AI) intelligence.... Heck, "ain't" even a decent script. (Can't stay on topic...)
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Why can';t we take half your salary and give it to the custodian? Sounds equitable to me.
I used to support teachers, genuinely desriign them getting paid better, until I started reading their comments here on the Catpaw. Who educated the "educators?" 😯
We were down to one to two that were responding to her.
Now, a dozen are.
Xer needs attention.
So, back to the question. In REALITY, should the gap grow or not? Yes or no.
Celine used to avoid the question w emotion too.
IGNORE! lol, its so weak to announce this. Just do it or don't.
But I will answer this to perhaps an empty theater. I think the fair thing to do is support these full time employees with a livable wage. People should be given a livable wage and work livable hours. 35K should be minimum threshold for full time workers. If they did this, I'd be fine paying first year teachers 38K (my first year salary). In doing this, they would also need to fix the CEO and executives pay. CEO's should not make 399x what the lowest employee makes.
The ACA does not require that employers offer health insurance to part time employees. This is not a "loophole", it is the law. And it is not "predatory" to offer employees a part-time job that they understand from the beginning will not include health insurance.
Gap should grow most years, but all boats should float. Bad years should see gap shrink more considerably. Unfortunately, not all boats rise with the tides and the poorest are more directly affected in bad years.
The predatory bit describe the cycle of not being able to get a full time job and having to piecemeal to make ends meet.
The difference between that happening and it not happening is not the CEO's salary.
Lots of things should be that aren't. Your socialist utopia doesn't work because it can't work. You'll never have everyone everywhere able to only work 40 hours and be comfortable.
That’s a career ending decision.
If true, she should be removed from any position of influence (though Thune probably supports what she’s doing).
I appreciate the effort. Celine was never able to make a thoughtful argument, bc he never truly thought about it.
But the gap should grow EVERY year. Otherwise, we have collapse and that helps no one.
The "poor" in this country are better off than 95% of the world. Their boat has risen substantially. Again, appeal to emotion is not an argument.
Shouldnt you be "teaching"? I feel like i am the only one teaching rn.
The "blame the executives" populist approach, is not the way. Scary times when a CEO gets murdered in cold blood and a significant amount of the population seems happy about it.
White lefties got no problem with this. There’s never ever a discussion of censoring this stuff or getting this guy off of platforms. No, this is celebrated. But they call you racist😂
Well, there’s a huge segment of your party whose motto is “Eat the rich” which apparently never applies to them.
Unions served a purpose once upon a time. But now there are all kinds of departments & programs protecting workers rights such as OSHA, EEOC, DOL, FLSA, OWCP, SHARE, MSHA, etc…(I could have filled up the entire page and half of another)
Also, seniority (which promotes wage gap based solely on years of employment) and job protection for bad employees are staples of “strong” unions. That doesn’t exactly align with your “true meritocracy” ideals. It also doesn’t align with “best practices” business models.
Speaking of wage gaps, here’s a backwater (or port water) anecdotal story for you…
ILA union leader salary 2023: $728,000
ILA union VP salary 2023: $700,000
(ILA union leader’s son)
Longshoreman top earners 2023: $81,000
(Base rate…doesn’t include OT)
That’s one helluva wage gap!!! I thought all wage gaps were bad. If you want to promote “strong unions” on this site then take your “wage gap” bitching and moaning elsewhere.
Many plants right here in Kentucky have had unions negotiate very nice wages for their employees…only to see the plant shut down & move to Mexico for cheaper labor costs. That little cable manufacturer from Wayne Co. you so eloquently evoked in your anecdotal post earlier is a shining example. That plant is now in Mexico. Go ask your buddy Jim Bob if he would rather have his job back at a little bit lesser rate or if he is happy with the few minuscule years he got with higher wages coupled with losing his job forever and scraping to get by today.
Also, if you are going to promote “strong unions” then you best get on board with Trumps tariffs and with tax breaks for corporations to level the playing field. Best two ways to combat the cheap labor in countries where they don’t have union wages, safe working conditions, worker’s rights, etc…That’s just the reality of the situation.
Re: tax breaks. People like you & AOC don’t understand this very simple concept. If a plant is paying union wages you best be giving them significant tax breaks if you want them to build in/stay in your community. If not…they gone. You were the same type of people giving Martha Layne Collins a hard time back in the 80’s for traveling to Japan and wooing Toyota to Georgetown. Furious about the tax breaks that they were going to get. Look what Toyota has meant for the economy in not just G-Town but in all of central Kentucky (multiple feeder plants and metal stamping plants) since Toyota & their evil tax breaks set up shop.
Final note: Remember Obama? The guy you voted for twice. He said eff the US manufacturing industry. He said “those jobs are never coming back” and “learn to code”. Trump, the guy you didn’t vote for either time, brought some of those manufacturing jobs back during his first term. He will bring more back during his second term. My advice to you Mr. Pro Strong Union Guy is to vote for JD Vance during the next two elections to keep those jobs in the US so that conversations about unions will even be able to remain relevant. YWIA
Merry Christmas, komrade!!!
Yes, they do. That's what tells you their level of evil.
Mikey the commie is kinda saying a bunch of evil shit on here.
Targeting the rich instead of aspiring to join them.
Wanting everyone to be equal by lowering the standard of living for all.
If all monies were confiscated and divided equally, in short order the dumbasses would be separated from their share.
I am delighted to know my children will not be indoctrinated at school by this fool.
Targeting the rich instead of aspiring to join them.
Wanting everyone to be equal by lowering the standard of living for all.
If all monies were confiscated and divided equally, in short order the dumbasses would be separated from their share.
I am delighted to know my children will not be indoctrinated at school by this fool.
