ADVERTISEMENT

POLITICAL THREAD

How will they rule ??!

  • YES - Qualified

    Votes: 41 82.0%
  • NO - Disqualified

    Votes: 9 18.0%

  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .
What does his worth have to do with anything?

Let's make it easier to understand..we pay taxes, all this welfare you want could be paid for without taxing anyone more of any income level. Instead of this tired "pay the government more! They're altruistic!"
His wealth is every bit of the problem as excess government spending. I’m totally in favor of reducing government and its spending. Don’t let my silence on this lead you to believe I disagree. The 400 or so families that have 50% of all wealth in America is where my concern lies. We’ve got to have a system put in place to target these individuals.
No u.
Go do what he did, Dion.

And quot being a little bitch.
Theres a lot of people here that are very bright that have a difference of opinions with me. You’re not one of them.
 
Being called far right means jack shit. Everything that isnt' far left is 'far right' to these idiots. They would call the 90s Dems 'far right.'
Anymore, to the left, everyone is far right nazis who don't agree with their agenda. Whenever anyone calls me far right, I say: OK, thank you. They are already about to explode so I am hoping that when they hear me say that it will drive them over the edge. Usually gets them out of the public and into their safe space.
 
You're a teacher. So I'm guessing you make somewhere around 60-80k a year. The clerk at the dollar tree makes 25k a year. Do you think it's fair that you make 3x more than him?
a little less than that, but I signed up for that.

lol, cashiers at dollar tree don’t even sniff that kind of money.

I worked at 4 DT. Each one had one full time employee (manager). Usually two assistant managers (they work about 28-32 hours a week) and ideal circumstances 7 cashiers (all working sub 20 hours a week). I worked from 06-12 at DT. Last few years, I’d quit in the summertime so that I could work at camp earl wallace. Even taking into account the money I made at CEW, I was only making between 9-11k a year. That’s okay for a student, but unlivable to an adult.

The CEO of DT was given 136 million dollars in salary, bonus, and stock options.
 

Elon musk fortune is the equivalent of 2.72 million Americans and the lifetime earnings they receive… but yes, the empty cubicles.
You're a teacher. So I'm guessing you make somewhere around 60-80k a year. The clerk at the dollar tree makes 25k a year. Do you think it's fair that you make 3x more than him
a little less than that, but I signed up for that.

lol, cashiers at dollar tree don’t even sniff that kind of money.

I worked at 4 DT. Each one had one full time employee (manager). Usually two assistant managers (they work about 28-32 hours a week) and ideal circumstances 7 cashiers (all working sub 20 hours a week). I worked from 06-12 at DT. Last few years, I’d quit in the summertime so that I could work at camp earl wallace. Even taking into account the money I made at CEW, I was only making between 9-11k a year. That’s okay for a student, but unlivable to an adult.

The CEO of DT was given 136 million dollars in salary, bonus, and stock options.
You didn't answer the question.
 
This is exactly the dumb response I’d expect from you. You actually think people need to be in their cubicle to get stuff down. Sorry but that’s an archaic way of looking at things.
Sorry but there's data on this. They "work" about two days a week. One example is the VA medical center hotline - approximately ONE THIRD of phone calls by vets never get answered.
 
You're a teacher. So I'm guessing you make somewhere around 60-80k a year. The clerk at the dollar tree makes 25k a year. Do you think it's fair that you make 3x more than him

You didn't answer the question.
Just like Celine used to do.

"He" also never answered my question about wealth gap. Just like Celine would never answer.
 
You're a teacher. So I'm guessing you make somewhere around 60-80k a year. The clerk at the dollar tree makes 25k a year. Do you think it's fair that you make 3x more than him

You didn't answer the question.
I think loopholes should be fixed so that companies cannot manipulate hours to avoid benefits. Once that is done then absolutely they should be paid a livable wage. Dollar tree employees 212k and 99% are part time. Dollar general uses the same predatory tactics. The bonus that the CEO got last year could have paid a 35k salary to 4000 employees. These companies can hire fewer employees and give them the hours and wage that they need to survive.
 
@Bigmikeydelight

Well, now you're gonna miss the snarkiness... There are 3 easy arguments to destroy that myth, but for time, I'm just doing one. (okay I did 2)

Let's say person A is worth 1,000,000 and person B is worth 1,000. What is the wealth gap? $999,000.

For simplicity, discuss REAL dollars and remove inflation from the discussion. Next, let's say they invest all their wealth and get the same RoR (because we are all about fairness). What is the wealth gap in year 2? Higher or lower?

So ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE who thinks that gap should shrink cannot do math nor logic and have no reason to be near policy nor children.

For grins, I'll add #2 ... every year there is a new person, person C, leaving their parents right?!? And person C starts with the 1,000. So given the 10% RoR for EVERYONE (bc we're fair), that gap between A and C is larger than between A and B. And that happens EVERY YEAR.

So the wealth gap argument is disingenuous or incompetent.
 
Last edited:
@Bigmikeydelight

Well, now you're gonna miss the snarkiness... There are 3 easy arguments to destroy that myth, but for time, I'm just doing one. (okay I did 2)

Let's say person A is worth 1,000,000 and person B is worth 1,000. What is the wealth gap? $999,000.

For simplicity, discuss REAL dollars and remove inflation from the discussion. Next, let's say they invest all their wealth and get the same RoR (because we are all about fairness). What is the wealth gap in year 2? Higher or lower?

So ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE who thinks that gap should shrink cannot do math nor logic and have no reason to be near policy nor children.

For grins, I'll add #2 ... every year there is a new person, person C, leaving their parents right?!? And person C starts with the 1,000. So given the 10% RoR for EVERYONE (bc we're fair), that gap between A and C is larger than between A and B. And that happens EVERY YEAR.

So the wealth gap argument is disingenuous or incompetent.

Loan me some dough...
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Lost In FL
I think loopholes should be fixed so that companies cannot manipulate hours to avoid benefits. Once that is done then absolutely they should be paid a livable wage. Dollar tree employees 212k and 99% are part time. Dollar general uses the same predatory tactics. The bonus that the CEO got last year could have paid a 35k salary to 4000 employees. These companies can hire fewer employees and give them the hours and wage that they need to survive.
Are you a faulty chatbot or something? I asked you a very simple question, do you think it's fair that you make 3x more than the person who works at DT. And you spat out a bunch of gobley gook that in no way answered the question. So you're either not very bright, are a bot, or you don't really have an interest in learning about other perspectives as you claim. I gave you a second chance to engage in an honest conversation and you chose your path. I have no interest in engaging with you further Celine, so to ignore you go. Audios.
 
Well, now you're gonna miss the snarkiness... There are 3 easy arguments to destroy that myth, but for time, I'm just doing one. (okay I did 2)

Let's say person A is worth 1,000,000 and person B is worth 1,000. What is the wealth gap? $999,000.

For simplicity, discuss REAL dollars and remove inflation from the discussion. Next, let's say they invest all their wealth and get the same RoR (because we are all about fairness). What is the wealth gap in year 2? Higher or lower?

So ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE who thinks that gap should shrink cannot do math nor logic and have no reason to be near policy nor children.

For grins, I'll add #2 ... every year there is a new person, person C, leaving their parents right?!? And person C starts with the 1,000. So given the 10% RoR for EVERYONE (bc we're fair), that gap between A and C is larger than between A and B. And that happens EVERY YEAR.

So the wealth gap argument is disingenuous or incompetent.
In your carefully articulated scenario, the wealth gap will continue to grow, but both parties benefit from the system.

However, this scenario is disingenuous because the sheer ability to invest any money puts you in the 50th percentile of America or greater. There's also the problem of equity in that many of the much lower class simply don't have. They rent and lease vehicles and that money pumped out does not benefit them in the long run. These people also spend a disproportionate amount of their wages on consumables, because we all have to have these. This is why democrats have a huge problem with cutting income taxes and transitioning into a sales tax solution. These people pay very little in term of income taxes (because they work part time at places like DT and DG), they do receive assistance from the government, but the liquid cash they have is now being stretched further because of a greater sales tax.

This scenario really underscores the poverty class in America. The class unable to invest and the class less likely to have equity because of renting or leasing. This scenario also downplays the money the .1% truly has. These folks don't have traditional assets or salaries that can be taxed and so they pay little in that regard. However, they are able to take out loans and use stock as collateral. No taxes are paid on this and they are able to live exuberant lifestyles in exchange. When the pied piper calls, they simply take out another loan and the process continues until they die, at which point the bank is on the hook.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Lost In FL
You obviously have no clue about the entire topic, from the financials to the intangibles of having people back in the office....productivity, community effect, morale, accountability (to name a few)
And you are an authority on this topic? What do you know about federal government workers in DC?

As for working in the office, I work in Big Law. IMO there is no question that people are more productive in the office, and working mainly remotely is a drain on the development of younger attorneys, the quality of the work done, the collegiality of the work environment, etc. I'm in favor of requiring people to be in the office most of the time, but most big law firms are not doing that.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bigmikeydelight
His wealth is every bit of the problem as excess government spending. I’m totally in favor of reducing government and its spending. Don’t let my silence on this lead you to believe I disagree. The 400 or so families that have 50% of all wealth in America is where my concern lies. We’ve got to have a system put in place to target these individuals.

No u.

Theres a lot of people here that are very bright that have a difference of opinions with me. You’re not one of them.
So you advocate for confiscating wealth. Got it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cleatortoises
The POS is going to pardon every person that tried to ruin Trump’s life. Even though Trump is not going to go after people, he’s being told to pardon them all so the MSM can run with the narrative that he WAS going to but cant now. Scum.

There is a good Op-Ed piece in the WSJ about this very topic - if Biden gives "preemptive" pardons to the people in his administration, then that will create a norm where subsequent presidents (Trump and all those who follow) might be expected to do the same. This would only encourage over the line behavior from people in cabinet level and similar positions because they know that basically "I can do whatever I want in this position, I'm just going to get pardoned when the president is on his way out."
 
a little less than that, but I signed up for that.

lol, cashiers at dollar tree don’t even sniff that kind of money.

I worked at 4 DT. Each one had one full time employee (manager). Usually two assistant managers (they work about 28-32 hours a week) and ideal circumstances 7 cashiers (all working sub 20 hours a week). I worked from 06-12 at DT. Last few years, I’d quit in the summertime so that I could work at camp earl wallace. Even taking into account the money I made at CEW, I was only making between 9-11k a year. That’s okay for a student, but unlivable to an adult.

The CEO of DT was given 136 million dollars in salary, bonus, and stock options.

You can have the CEO work for free and distribute all that to all the other employees and you would have accomplished nothing: zero, zip, zilch, nada.

It's just an emotional appeal to pass for an "argument;" lets you feel good with self-righteous indignation to celebrate the murder of a human being who makes 12 million dollars while denying insurance claims leading to bankruptcy. His salary had absolutly nothing to do with that. Take it away and you've fixed nothing but placated your hate for the successful.
 
Are you a faulty chatbot or something? I asked you a very simple question, do you think it's fair that you make 3x more than the person who works at DT. And you spat out a bunch of gobley gook that in no way answered the question. So you're either not very bright, are a bot, or you don't really have an interest in learning about other perspectives as you claim. I gave you a second chance to engage in an honest conversation and you chose your path. I have no interest in engaging with you further Celine, so to ignore you go. Audios.

It "Ain't" no BOT, BOT "got" some (AI) intelligence.... Heck, "ain't" even a decent script. (Can't stay on topic...)
 
Last edited:
I think loopholes should be fixed so that companies cannot manipulate hours to avoid benefits. Once that is done then absolutely they should be paid a livable wage. Dollar tree employees 212k and 99% are part time. Dollar general uses the same predatory tactics. The bonus that the CEO got last year could have paid a 35k salary to 4000 employees. These companies can hire fewer employees and give them the hours and wage that they need to survive.

Why can';t we take half your salary and give it to the custodian? Sounds equitable to me.

I used to support teachers, genuinely desriign them getting paid better, until I started reading their comments here on the Catpaw. Who educated the "educators?" 😯
 
In your carefully articulated scenario, the wealth gap will continue to grow, but both parties benefit from the system.

However, this scenario is disingenuous because the sheer ability to invest any money puts you in the 50th percentile of America or greater. There's also the problem of equity in that many of the much lower class simply don't have. They rent and lease vehicles and that money pumped out does not benefit them in the long run. These people also spend a disproportionate amount of their wages on consumables, because we all have to have these. This is why democrats have a huge problem with cutting income taxes and transitioning into a sales tax solution. These people pay very little in term of income taxes (because they work part time at places like DT and DG), they do receive assistance from the government, but the liquid cash they have is now being stretched further because of a greater sales tax.

This scenario really underscores the poverty class in America. The class unable to invest and the class less likely to have equity because of renting or leasing. This scenario also downplays the money the .1% truly has. These folks don't have traditional assets or salaries that can be taxed and so they pay little in that regard. However, they are able to take out loans and use stock as collateral. No taxes are paid on this and they are able to live exuberant lifestyles in exchange. When the pied piper calls, they simply take out another loan and the process continues until they die, at which point the bank is on the hook.
So, back to the question. In REALITY, should the gap grow or not? Yes or no.

Celine used to avoid the question w emotion too.
 
Are you a faulty chatbot or something? I asked you a very simple question, do you think it's fair that you make 3x more than the person who works at DT. And you spat out a bunch of gobley gook that in no way answered the question. So you're either not very bright, are a bot, or you don't really have an interest in learning about other perspectives as you claim. I gave you a second chance to engage in an honest conversation and you chose your path. I have no interest in engaging with you further Celine, so to ignore you go. Audios.
IGNORE! lol, its so weak to announce this. Just do it or don't.

But I will answer this to perhaps an empty theater. I think the fair thing to do is support these full time employees with a livable wage. People should be given a livable wage and work livable hours. 35K should be minimum threshold for full time workers. If they did this, I'd be fine paying first year teachers 38K (my first year salary). In doing this, they would also need to fix the CEO and executives pay. CEO's should not make 399x what the lowest employee makes.
 
I think loopholes should be fixed so that companies cannot manipulate hours to avoid benefits. Once that is done then absolutely they should be paid a livable wage. Dollar tree employees 212k and 99% are part time. Dollar general uses the same predatory tactics. The bonus that the CEO got last year could have paid a 35k salary to 4000 employees. These companies can hire fewer employees and give them the hours and wage that they need to survive.
The ACA does not require that employers offer health insurance to part time employees. This is not a "loophole", it is the law. And it is not "predatory" to offer employees a part-time job that they understand from the beginning will not include health insurance.
 
So, back to the question. In REALITY, should the gap grow or not? Yes or no.

Celine used to avoid the question w emotion too.
Gap should grow most years, but all boats should float. Bad years should see gap shrink more considerably. Unfortunately, not all boats rise with the tides and the poorest are more directly affected in bad years.
 
The ACA does not require that employers offer health insurance to part time employees. This is not a "loophole", it is the law. And it is not "predatory" to offer employees a part-time job that they understand from the beginning will not include health insurance.
The predatory bit describe the cycle of not being able to get a full time job and having to piecemeal to make ends meet.
 
IGNORE! lol, its so weak to announce this. Just do it or don't.

But I will answer this to perhaps an empty theater. I think the fair thing to do is support these full time employees with a livable wage. People should be given a livable wage and work livable hours. 35K should be minimum threshold for full time workers. If they did this, I'd be fine paying first year teachers 38K (my first year salary). In doing this, they would also need to fix the CEO and executives pay. CEO's should not make 399x what the lowest employee makes.

The difference between that happening and it not happening is not the CEO's salary.

Lots of things should be that aren't. Your socialist utopia doesn't work because it can't work. You'll never have everyone everywhere able to only work 40 hours and be comfortable.
 
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT