POLITICAL THREAD

[Supreme Lord Z]

So the Republicans want to throw 24 million Americans off their healthcare plan so they can save enough money to hand all their rich buddies an outrageous tax giveaway when they roll that massive transfer of wealth plan out next?

Unbelievable. Off the sick and the elderly the greedy soulless Republicans are plotting to throw people off their healthcare coverage because the 1% isn't rich enough yet.

These greedy Big Government Wealth Transferring Republicans sucking the life out of our hardworking middle class so all their rich buddies can get a 5th or 6th home and another yacht to throw tax deductible lobster parties on.

We give them tax breaks for the multiple homes, for their "business" trips to the Bahamas twice a year, their boats and planes, their luxury cars and jewelry... hell, for some reason hard working Americans even have to chip in and cough up tax breaks for what they eat for lunch with their fat cat buddies. Then the trip to the opera is subsidized with more tax payer money. Their WHOLE lifestyle is on our tax dime.

BUT THEY WANT MORE!

They always do. Now we need to sacrifice our healthcare because Trump wants to give them yet another massive tax giveaway. Makes me sick. This simply must stop and Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Ohio have to step up to the plate and come back into the fold where they belong. They never should have sided with the greedy bastards that are stealing everything that isn't nailed down. Hopefully at least a few crumbs will be left before this latest REPUBLICAN FEEDING FRENZY is over. They've already stolen enough of our Tax Dollars.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

Damn I'm good.

"tax deductible lobster parties" is really, really good.

 

[WettCat]

DAMN HE'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

These Big Spending Wealth Transferring Trickle Down Bread Crumbs off the Rich Man's Table Republicans and their tax deductible lobster parties are killing this country.

Republicans. We can't afford them.

That's our slogan for 2020 right there, folks.

 

[moe_schmoe]

So the Republicans want to throw 24 million Americans off their healthcare plan

You fell for the fake news. That estimate isn't people "losing" their insurance. Those are the people they estimate will not purchase insurance once they have a choice, are given freedom, and aren't forced to purchase it. The only way anyone "loses" insurance is by their own choice.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

Right by the scruff of our necks and out the door our healthcare goes, folks. These Big Spending Republicans were given the House, the Senate, and the Presidency by the American people and how have they responded?

Dog and pony stunts by parading Big Corporate companies in for a free White House infomercial and parading around playing footsie with Russian billionaires... but what has been the actual legislation they pursued?

That's right. Throwing YOU off your healthcare plan so they could flip that money over into their Big Wealth Transferring Trickle Down Bread Crumbs Off The Rich Man's Table TAX CUTS for the 1%.

Is that what you voted for? You felt fat Rich Republicans didn't have enough money yet so you want to give them more?

You voted to throw old people off their healthcare plans so some of Trump's rich buddies could buy a couple more diamond golf club sets and laugh in your faces?

You voted for THIS? Wake up, America. The thieves are at the gates and they mean to do some spending. From your wallet into their fat bank accounts.

You got hoodwinked. You got bamboozled. Don't sit there and take it, America. VOTE! Sure, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Ohio let us down and gave us this mess, but now those folks can SEE what they voted for and fix it. We all can. At the ballot box because we can see now what these Big Spending Republicans and their Wealth Transferring Plans are up to and we're going to say "NOT THIS TIME!"

 

[moe_schmoe]

Republicans. We can't afford them.

That's our slogan for 2020 right there, folks.

Don't forget to include the part that by getting rid of Obamacare, they just reduced the deficit by 337 billion dollars.

 

[Mashburned]

Is a Bernie Bro backlash coming? Democrat leaders are worried about Bernie and the Bros abandoning the party, causing a major spilt in 2018.

All they have to do is pay Uncle Bernie and everything will be just fine.

AP: Obama administration set records in 2016.

... For a second consecutive year, the Obama administration set a record for times federal employees told citizens, journalists and others that despite searching they couldn't find a single page of files that were requested.

And it set records for outright denial of access to files, refusing to quickly consider requests described as especially newsworthy, and forcing people to pay for records who had asked the government to waive search and copy fees....

Damn.

FYI, this was part of UK's admin strategy when they got caught up in that sexual assault junk, and also with other financial matters even the Herald Leader questioned. Getting away with whatever they want, making their own rules, don't have to answer to anybody, etc. It's pathetic, these are public institutions run by and for the people.

And even the HL backed off UK after the student newspaper lost that lawsuit UK put on em. F'n pathetic.

Govt can SMD, man.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

Don't forget to include the part that by getting rid of Obamacare, they just reduced the deficit by 337 billion dollars.

Save 337 billion dollars? You mean "stole" 337 billion dollars by throwing old people off their healthcare plans so that 337 billion the Big Spending Republicans "SAVED" they can now turn right around and hand it to the 1% in the form of yet another outrageous Republican Tax Giveaway to the rich? AGAIN! We've been down this road before.

Trickle Down don't Trickle Down, folks. Because it's actually Bread Crumbs off the Rich Man's table economics. We are supposed to support massive tax breaks for Rich Republican thieves that can sit there on their Yacht in the Bahamas and not lose a minute of sleep having thrown 24 million Americans off their healthcare plan and to the wolves.

You're on your own, America. Just leave your wallet at the door and shut up. Republicans have some spending to do and you are not invited.

 

[catfaninsc]

Don't forget to include the part that by getting rid of Obamacare, they just reduced the deficit by 337 billion dollars.

That is due to block granting Medicaid. Good luck to Ky with 25% of it's population (1.2 million people) on Medicaid and trying to deal with it using a block grant.

 

[moe_schmoe]

throwing old people off their healthcare plans

Again, fake news. Doesn't matter how many times you repeat it. No one is getting thrown off of anything, regardless of what Morning Joe tells you. Any argument based on that fake premise is just as fake. 24 million is an estimate of people who they believe with opt out once the big government Obamacare mandate is axed.

I know, I know. No matter how many times it's explained, you'll sit in front of your TV watching Morning Joe and Don Lemon fake news like...

 

[moe_schmoe]

That is due to block granting Medicaid.

Yes, Medicaid is capped, and rightfully so. It's become a runaway, unchecked entitlement.

 

[moe_schmoe]

Federal Reserve set to raise interest rates this week, first of three to come for 2017.

Now that Trump finally has the market stable, there's no need for those artificially fixed 0% interest rates that Obama needed to keep it from collapsing.

 

[fuzz77]

You can bet your life that the Dems are privately praying the Republicans repeal and replace Obamacare to get that gigantic sh!t stain of a law away from the Dems and then do their best to try and sell to the public how bad the new plan will fail.

Part of me thinks Trump should let Obamacare completely collapse but knowing how f'n stupid many Americans are they will place blame on Republicans anyway. Also, too many people are getting hammered by Obamacare and need help now.

Dude, anything short of a single payer system will either fail or leave millions uninsured and result in the continued climb of health insurance rates. Allowing Obamacare to collapse does nothing to help the GOP. They campaigned non-stop on repeal/replace. They were given all the power to do so. If you fail the people, that failure is on the GOP.
And we all know that the GOP plan will fail. We know that because they are removing all of the vehicles required to finance it.
What is also hilarious is that now that the OMB has come out and trashed the GOP plan Trump is claiming that the OMB is wrong...but when the OMB pointed out problems with Obamacare then Trump thought they were dead on. No different than the Labor Dept reports on unemployment. When they produced good reports for Obama, Trump claimed their numbers were wrong...when they give him a good report, they are dead on.
They say the NYT is fake news...they reference the NYT when making claims of wiretapping.
This is by far the most schizophrenic administration ever known to mankind.

 

[WettCat]

Truth.

 

[moe_schmoe]

Reports that O'Bannon privately met with Freedom Caucus members and told them Trump is still open to negotiations on a health care plan.

 

[qwesley]

Allowing Obamacare to collapse does nothing to help the GOP.

So who would you blame?

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

24 million Americans. Sorry for the bad news. Apparently rich people aren't rich enough and they need more money. So we Big Spending Republicans come up with this neat idea. You go without healthcare so we can give that money to the rich people that need it.

Thanks, suckers!

Wall? Bullshit.
Mexicans paying for it? Bullshit.
Rounding up and deporting all illegals? Bullshit.
Trillion dollar infrastructure plan to rebuild America? Bullshit.
Repeal Obamacare? Bullshit.

Tax handout to the rich fat cats 1%? You bet your damned ass it is going to happen.

Don't you SUCKERS get it, yet? Don't you know how to spot a slick talking New York carnival barker selling you a load of horseshit, yet?

 

[fuzz77]

Serious question, do you insert these lines intentionally or are they just part of your normal dictation? You use them in almost every tirade.

"Everyone agrees", "its common knowledge", "there's no disputing the fact", etc.

Whenever I see or hear one of these I immediately question the content and the speaker/author as trying to wrongly influence the discussion. And it's not just you Fuzz/RQ.

You're welcome to debate the factual data if you wish.
But thanks for the heads-up. From now on I'll specify "Everyone with a brain knows...".
As they say, "It ain't rocket science.". If you cut billions in taxes to fund the Medicaid expansion or any assistance to lower income individuals to purchase insurance, if you remove any disincentive for people to carry health insurance...tell me, what do you expect to happen? Come on Wett, you're a smart man. You can say you're happy because it will reduce your tax bill but you can't say with a straight face that you believe this will resolve any of the problems with the healthcare system or insurance rates which is the EXACT thing they claim they are attempting to do.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

I can't believe that all along the answer was sitting right there staring us in the face.

Old people have too much healthcare and rich people don't have enough money.

It was so simple. All along. All we needed to do was round up old people, take their healthcare, then pass that savings along to the 1% because things have been really tough on them these last few decades.

See? That's why we need to elect all these Republicans. They immediately, with their very first piece of legislation out of the Trump administration laser-like focused right in on all those old sick people using up all our money. Depriving rich people of the more money they needed.

Great job, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. You really came through for us and saved us from all those old people.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

In four years when Trump is up for reelection, all those old people with no healthcare will be dead anyway.

 

[CrittendenWildcat]

Do we need to change the name of the thread to "The Z talk-out-your-arse 24-7 propaganda thread?"

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

These Big Republican Death Panels are being ramped up. Looks like they're targeting Florida voters first.

 

[Bill Cosby]

At this point I would much prefer to have the health insurance system collapse on itself rather than having Paul Ryan leading the way to "fix" it. It's not even close really.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

Think of all the money we could save if we didn't allow old people to eat? Just take all that money they use for food and funnel it to the job creators so in turn that money can trickle down to everyone else.

That's worked so fantastically well before why not keep sending all the money up to the 1% then get your umbrellas ready because here comes the cash!

These Republicans have all this figured out. I'm starting to like it. There is money to be made from singling one group of people out for punishment so we can take everything they should get then give it to rich people. That's one helluva system. No wonder we've elected so many of them? We can just give all our money to rich people then stand and wait for our share to come trickling down like one of those fudge machines at Golden Corral.

Sure, there's going to be less old people but that means we inherit things quicker!

 

[qwesley]

Z wants DC to trickle down what we need.

fuzz says if the Dem dominated healthcare plan fails it is the GOPs fault.

Good stuff.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

If you no longer have anything to give rich people then you go to the front of the Big Spending Republican Death Panel line. They can sell you as cat food in India or recycle you into fluoride and put you in drinking water. Profit, after all, is our highest expression of self.

 

[P19978]

Let's cut to the chase.

Z, Fuzz, et al: how much of my money do you want?

 

[moe_schmoe]

Putting an end to the big government entitlement disaster the Democrats have unleashed onto the country.

Meanwhile, Chuck Schumer is doing ride alongs on a "Save Obamacare" bus tour, knowing damn well it has all but collapsed. No shit, true story.

 

[WayneDougan]

In four years when Trump is up for reelection, all those old people with no healthcare will be dead anyway.

False - once you are 65 you're in socialized healthcare.

 

[WayneDougan]

If you no longer have anything to give rich people....

How does taking less from rich people equate to giving to rich people in your world?

 

[moe_schmoe]

Premiums will be reduced by as much as 10%, billions saved, spending less money, reducing the debt, and most importantly, small businesses will be thrown a lifeline with no big government mandate oppressing them.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

Too many old people with healthcare.

Too little money for rich people.

Folks, this is our problem.

 

[Kaizer Sosay]

Putting an end to the big government entitlement disaster the Democrats have unleashed onto the country.

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[Kaizer Sosay]

 

[catfaninsc]

Top GOP senators call for more low-income help in healthcare bill

"Some top Senate Republicans are backing a change to the House ObamaCare replacement bill to increase financial assistance for low-income people to purchase health insurance.

Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.), a member of Senate GOP leadership, said Tuesday he is working on an amendment to increase the tax credits under the bill for low-income people. Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), chairman of the Senate Health Committee, and Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), another Senate leader, said they support the idea as well.

The change would be significant — the House legislation, known as the American Health Care Act, currently bases its tax credits on age, meaning lower-income people do not get extra help, unlike under ObamaCare.

"I do think there are things we can do to tailor the tax credit in a way that it makes more attractive to people and more helpful to people on the lower end and with a phaseout that is a little less steep than what the House has,” Thune told reporters Tuesday.

He added that he is working on an amendment to that end.

“It would be nice to add it to the House bill but if necessary, it could be in the Senate,” he said. It is unclear how much the tax credits would be increased by.
While Thune has supported more help for low-income people in the past, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report on the GOP plan released Monday may be upping the pressure to provide more assistance: The report found that older people with low incomes would be particularly hard-hit by the bill.

In an extreme example, the premium for a 64-year-old making $26,500, after factoring in financial assistance, would rise from $1,700 to $14,600 under the GOP plan.

Alexander praised Thune’s proposed amendment and also called for increasing funding for the 10-year, $100 billion “stabilization fund” in the House bill that can help people afford premiums."

 

[warrior-cat]

Do we need to change the name of the thread to "The Z talk-out-your-arse 24-7 propaganda thread?"

His mothers basement is a dark and lonely place. He needs a little attention.

 

[warrior-cat]

Let's cut to the chase.

Z, Fuzz, et al: how much of my money do you want?

Remember, Fuzz put the cap at $5 million being the most anyone should be able to keep. After that, it should be given to the government to divide up amongst other people.

 

[DSmith21]

GOP rep proposes a way for Mexico to fund the wall via seized drug money.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/323943-gop-rep-mexican-cartels-can-fund-border-wall

 

[WettCat]

lnteresting article on Steve Bannon and what makes him tick.....maybe Trump isn't all about himself after all and his MAGA is legit.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/steve-bannon-and-the-making-of-an-economic-nationalist-1489516113

Steve Bannon thinks U.S. companies should once again feel more responsible to their communities. “Why can’t you revert back to a golden age?” he asks. “You can.”