POLITICAL THREAD

[Bill Cosby]

Also, if anyone had any doubts, last night was a shining example of why Joe Biden and the democrats need to be as far away as possible from tax reform in 2025.

“Yeah I’m going to start a moronic shrinkflation commission to combat corporate greed while also raising their taxes because I’m too stupid to realize those costs are passed on.”

 

[WTF Cat]

I "almost" feel sorry for Democrats.

Imagine supporting that crap from last night lol (or any of the last 3 years).

 

[sambowieshin]

Who is the absolute dumbest poster here? WHO IS??

Get back in the kitchen wench and make me a sammitch.

 

[Dionysus444]

You’ve spoken this lie so much that you don’t have the ability to separate fact from fantasy. Let me help you:

- an enormous crowd assembled peacefully, as is their right.
-some of them became violent and entered the capital. They should be punished as rioters and NOT AS POLITICAL ENEMIES.
-THERE’S NOT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE THAT DJT caused them to riot. IT IS YOUR OPINION that he did.
- We do know some things that were hidden from us on that day, though. We know there were FBI agents in that crowd. We know the democrats hid film footage and possibly destroyed some of it. We know that capital police ALLOWED SOME OF THAT CROWD IN. And we know, of course, that more and more has been revealed about the fact that the 2020 election was most certainly not secure.

These are the facts, tiny fascist. Nobody here is going to let you continue to lie as you always do about every subject. Be prepared to defend facts with facts.

You're ignoring the overarching coordination and goals though. This wasn't just one peaceful protest among many that got out of hand. It was a coordinated attack on the Jan 6th reading of EC votes:

- There were protests scheduled for multiple different days. Trump and his cabal contacted the organizers of these protests and had them all switch their protest days to all coincide on Jan 6th.
- Trump, as sitting president, and his team coordinated with rightwing militias, like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, who were the very same people convicted of the attack you're describing and carrying out Trump's seditious conspiracy to keep him in office.
-Their communications planning and coordinating the aforementioned activities is plenty of concrete evidence.
-And more facts continue to come out, as the newly discovered BadgerPundit tweets show.

There is absolutely no way you can say any of what Trump and co did was ok unless you want Biden and Kamala doing the same. And you don't, because it's madness.

 

[WTF Cat]

"Diversity, Equity and Inclusion.

Or, how to fix a flat tire by letting the air out of the other three."

 

[Dionysus444]

Again, you don’t get to decide or even get to like the reason for rallies or protest.

Pray tell, what was "the reason for" that particular rally/protest Trump organized on Jan 6th?

 

[Dionysus444]

The main thing I dislike is just pure partisan reactions lol.

Biden makes his speech last night
Democrats are clapping and saying he is so inspiring
Republicans are sitting shaking their heads saying he is being divisive

Trump makes the same speech that Biden made last night but toward the Dems
Republicans would be clapping saying he is so inspiring
Democrats would be sitting shaking their heads saying he is being divisive

Its always been that way and always will regardless of who is in the position and who is right or wrong and that's sad. To me Biden used the SOTU last night to campaign and not be a President for all and I honestly would say that if Trump had made the same speech. I wish our leaders would just quit the BS and do what's best for our country.

We only ever have two choices, and both of them do what's best for their party, not the country. That's much of Trump's appeal as an outsider. But Trump's always been about Trump. Some of this thread will dispute that, but regardless, at this point he's commandeered the Republican party and it's just more of the same. We need RCV, vote for individuals and hold them accountable for their decisions/actions, not just vote blindly for blue team or red team.

 

[Cold Stout Beer]

Any chance Sarah Huckabee runs as VP?

 

[BlueRunner11]

Pray tell, what was "the reason for" that particular rally/protest Trump organized on Jan 6th?

To support Trump? Voice disapproval of a Biden Presidency? Is that illegal?

 

[Dionysus444]

Let’s aside that there was or was not election meddling for a sec….you think a party claiming they got jobbed is something new?

Do you need links to Hillary, democrats, and her supporters from 2016 to be posted? You need links of the riots from 2016?

Storming the Capitol on Jan 6th to interfere with the counting of Electoral College votes is absolutely new. Unprecedented. Never happened before in the history of our country. A singular blight that will live in infamy. Even the old Confederacy didn't go that far, they just sent the fake electors and went 'What now?' Trump went further than even the slavers, pretty nuts when you think about it.

 

[Dionysus444]

To support Trump? Voice disapproval of a Biden Presidency? Is that illegal?

Lol then why tell them to march down there? They could support him just fine where they were. They could support him on other days that the protests were already scheduled just fine. No, the protests were changed at Trump's request to that specific day because only that specific day was the reading of EC votes.

 

[BlueRunner11]

Storming the Capitol on Jan 6th to interfere with the counting of Electoral College votes is absolutely new. Unprecedented. Never happened before in the history of our country. A singular blight that will live in infamy. Even the old Confederacy didn't go that far, they just sent the fake electors and went 'What now?' Trump went further than even the slavers, pretty nuts when you think about it.

And all those people were charged. We can debate if a trap was set or not, nevertheless those that walked into it were was dumb.

Again, the vast majority of people there that day were peaceful. Protest and assembly is one of the few rights people have to show their displeasure with their gov and I know you agree with that regardless if you disagree with the cause or not.

 

[BlueRunner11]

Lol then why tell them to march down there? They could support him just fine where they were. They could support him on other days that the protests were already scheduled just fine. No, the protests were changed at Trump's request to that specific day because only that specific day was the reading of EC votes.

To make their voices heard…I know you are not new to the idea of protest. You’ve defended it on here before when the situation aligned with something you felt strongly about.

You realize where people fearing to speak out leads don’t you? Don’t think any of us want that type of government ruling over us.

 

[UPSCat4080]

We only ever have two choices, and both of them do what's best for their party, not the country. That's much of Trump's appeal as an outsider. But Trump's always been about Trump. Some of this thread will dispute that, but regardless, at this point he's commandeered the Republican party and it's just more of the same. We need RCV, vote for individuals and hold them accountable for their decisions/actions, not just vote blindly for blue team or red team.

Agree 100% it should be about voting for what's best for the country, but both sides majorities have been brainwashed into thinking that only their side can ever be for what's best. I identify with the Republican way of thinking on most issues, but at the end of the day I want what is best for my pocketbook abd my family....I could care less if that idea comes from a Democrat or Republican.

Trump leaned toward the right to gain the support he has gotten, but in all honesty Trump was probably one of the most centered candidates in recent history to run for president. You may not like his rhetoric and talk, you may not like his attitude, but unless you are just an idiot and try to spew numbers that are 100% misleading like his jobs numbers from six months into COVID when everything was shutting down you would have to admit that his policies worked.

Pre COVID these are not even arguable:
--Record unemployment not only across the board, but for African Americans and Hispanics too
--Economy booming and gas as low as it had been in years
--NO WARS! Trump may have been a loose cannon, but the other world leaders knew that as well and were afraid to do anything on his watch. The guy wined and dined Putin and Kim Jong in a way nobody else could and they did absolutely nothing while he was in power...that's a fact

 

[Dionysus444]

And all those people were charged. We can debate if a trap was set or not, nevertheless those that walked into it were was dumb.

Again, the vast majority of people there that day were peaceful. Protest and assembly is one of the few rights people have to show their displeasure with their gov and I know you agree with that regardless if you disagree with the cause or not.

Of course 100% people have the right to assemble and protest. This particular issue though gets very sticky, because essentially what they were ‘protesting’ was their own right to protest itself. They were attempting to destroy the most basic and essential functions of our Constitution which gives them those rights. Without our constitutional republic established by that exact Constitution we’d be open to an authoritarian state that would’ve just sprayed that crowd with live rounds like Ukraine. They were attempting to install the very government that would take away the rights that you’re listing as so vital. To do so peacefully is their right, even though it’s abominable. But any use of force in support of that cause must be prosecuted to the fullest extent, it is a crime against all of our most fundamental rights.

 

[cole854]

. Someone isn't right just because they have the same letter beside their name that you do. That is what aggravates me about the entire political spectrum.

Given what has taken place the last 3 years, and the letter beside the party running the country, then yes, my side w/ the R is right for the next term.

 

[cole854]

We only ever have two choices, and both of them do what's best for their party, not the country. That's much of Trump's appeal as an outsider. But Trump's always been about Trump. Some of this thread will dispute that, but regardless, at this point he's commandeered the Republican party and it's just more of the same. We need RCV, vote for individuals and hold them accountable for their decisions/actions, not just vote blindly for blue team or red team.

If this country wasn't in the best shape it has ever been during Trump before Floyd/Covid, then you may have a point. However, given we were rolling, and we ALL were in good shape (unless you were under a rock....no fingers pointed at you here) then your point has no merit at this current time.

 

[BlueRunner11]

Of course 100% people have the right to assemble and protest. This particular issue though gets very sticky, because essentially what they were ‘protesting’ was their own right to protest itself. They were attempting to destroy the most basic and essential functions of our Constitution which gives them those rights. Without our constitutional republic established by that exact Constitution we’d be open to an authoritarian state that would’ve just sprayed that crowd with live rounds like Ukraine. They were attempting to install the very government that would take away the rights that you’re listing as so vital. To do so peacefully is their right, even though it’s abominable. But any use of force in support of that cause must be prosecuted to the fullest extent, it is a crime against all of our most fundamental rights.

Don’t think you’ll find me defending destroying property etc anywhere in my post history. Again, those people were charged.

The heart of the issue is theres thousands others that have been charged that did none of that. That were there peacefully. I read about someone new almost daily getting ripped from their home for being anywhere near DC still years after the fact.

This admin is using intimidation and threat of imprisonment to shut down any dissenting voices or opinions which is par for the course if you look what they’ve done with censorship in general the last 4 years. That’s the sign of a corrupt gov that has lots to hide. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

If people think an election was stolen, can they not speak up? What apparatus is there for the people to take advantage of if an election actually is stolen? If there is none, then why not steal it every time which tbh is likely the goal.

 

[Dionysus444]

Agree 100% it should be about voting for what's best for the country, but both sides majorities have been brainwashed into thinking that only their side can ever be for what's best. I identify with the Republican way of thinking on most issues, but at the end of the day I want what is best for my pocketbook abd my family....I could care less if that idea comes from a Democrat or Republican.

Trump leaned toward the right to gain the support he has gotten, but in all honesty Trump was probably one of the most centered candidates in recent history to run for president. You may not like his rhetoric and talk, you may not like his attitude, but unless you are just an idiot and try to spew numbers that are 100% misleading like his jobs numbers from six months into COVID when everything was shutting down you would have to admit that his policies worked.

Pre COVID these are not even arguable:
--Record unemployment not only across the board, but for African Americans and Hispanics too
--Economy booming and gas as low as it had been in years
--NO WARS! Trump may have been a loose cannon, but the other world leaders knew that as well and were afraid to do anything on his watch. The guy wined and dined Putin and Kim Jong in a way nobody else could and they did absolutely nothing while he was in power...that's a fact

We obviously disagree on Trump’s record but it isn’t about Trump. It’s about our system that produces just red vs blue. Even Trump, a supposed outsider, has been consumed by it. We have to reform that system.

 

[BlueRunner11]

We obviously disagree on Trump’s record but it isn’t about Trump. It’s about our system that produces just red vs blue. Even Trump, a supposed outsider, has been consumed by it. We have to reform that system.

Agree with you here, that’s why I was going with Vivek. I’m sure we’d disagree on his policies, but he attacked the right as much as he did the left.

 

[sambowieshin]

If Trump telling people to peacefully protest was manipulating them to fire them up miles away, so you also think it’s important to figure out how many federal agents and employees were inciting the crowd at the actual Capitol?

Trump was the fed. They were following on social media everything he was tweeting out that day.
He incited them from sun up till they attacked.
But go peacefully my ass.

Tweets of January 6, 2021 | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu

 

[UPSCat4080]

We obviously disagree on Trump’s record but it isn’t about Trump. It’s about our system that produces just red vs blue. Even Trump, a supposed outsider, has been consumed by it. We have to reform that system.

Agreed. We may disagree on his record, but I do not think it is a coincidence that when Trump came in and served it seems like every parasite in Washington DC reared its head and attacked him to try to destroy him. There's a reason why the elites don't want someone in power that doesn't bow to them and for me I'm with the guy that is causing so much disruption. What's bad for Washington is good for the American people 100%.

 

[UK_fan_41102]

 

[AustinTXCat]

As I've said before I didn't need any loans to pay for college. I'm debt free. Some of us are just a cut above.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Also, if anyone had any doubts, last night was a shining example of why Joe Biden and the democrats need to be as far away as possible from tax reform in 2025.

“Yeah I’m going to start a moronic shrinkflation commission to combat corporate greed while also raising their taxes because I’m too stupid to realize those costs are passed on.”

I got a question on this though. What are we going to do about corporate greed, stock buy backs, wage growth not being seen, etc

I mean, something has to give for the American people. And it's not JUST us Millennials and GenZ 'ers spending too much on avocado toast. Our buying power has been nuked, A greater % of families cant afford to buy a home (with a mortgage as a "forced" saving account), SS and Pensions won't be a thing. College unaffordable, etc.

I am genuinely curious what the thoughts are here on this topic. I don't feel great about my 40's 50s and beyond.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

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I'm sure many have seen this, but I forget a lot of folks here are in their 50's and 60's and might have written off South Park since it's early days as just another cartoon. But, they nailed this topic like they do so many others.

 

[sambowieshin]

Agreed. We may disagree on his record, but I do not think it is a coincidence that when Trump came in and served it seems like every parasite in Washington DC reared its head and attacked him to try to destroy him. There's a reason why the elites don't want someone in power that doesn't bow to them and for me I'm with the guy that is causing so much disruption. What's bad for Washington is good for the American people 100%.

I hear what you are saying and agree in theory.
But when that disruption never actually results in ANY meaningful legislation that improves the lives of the American people...wth has he even accomplished at the end of the day?
Infrastructure Law? Nope
Healthcare?? Nope
Education?? Nope
Border Law?? Nope
Keeping people constantly angry, scared or both serves no purpose without doing the hard work of legislating.
Whether you like it or not, we have a system of government that requires compromise and hard work to pass laws. It is messy and not perfect but it is what we have.
Trump doesn't do laws. He does Tweets, Executive Orders and grievance/division politics to keep suckers sending him money.
Bitching, moaning and tweeting is not LEADING. He is fat and lazy. He doesn't want to do the hard work required to actually pass laws.
You may not like Biden's laws because of policy differences but he has achieved a lot of laws being passed that benefited the American people.
Trump actually killed a decent border law because it was going to hurt him politically.

 

[Dionysus444]

Don’t think you’ll find me defending destroying property etc anywhere in my post history. Again, those people were charged.

The heart of the issue is theres thousands others that have been charged that did none of that. That were there peacefully. I read about someone new almost daily getting ripped from their home for being anywhere near DC still years after the fact.

This admin is using intimidation and threat of imprisonment to shut down any dissenting voices or opinions which is par for the course if you look what they’ve done with censorship in general the last 4 years. That’s the sign of a corrupt gov that has lots to hide. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

If people think an election was stolen, can they not speak up? What apparatus is there for the people to take advantage of if an election actually is stolen? If there is none, then why not steal it every time which tbh is likely the goal.

I don’t give one flying F about “destroying property”. The issue was disrupting the over two century peaceful transfer of power in our constitutional republic.

 

[blubo]

I saw somewhere where that the December 2023 and the January 2024 job numbers have been revised down by something like 168,000 jobs. It's strange that pretty much every month that Biden has been in office that the jobs numbers are over reported by such large numbers every month. When this happens month after month after month, this is intentional.

And then the revised numbers are never reported by msm.

 

[UK_fan_41102]

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[Dionysus444]

Agree with you here, that’s why I was going with Vivek. I’m sure we’d disagree on his policies, but he attacked the right as much as he did the left.

And if we had Ranked Choice Voting you could’ve put him first and Trump second, showing your support of those positions while not throwing your vote away on someone who can’t win.

 

[JumperJack]

You're ignoring the overarching coordination and goals though. This wasn't just one peaceful protest among many that got out of hand. It was a coordinated attack on the Jan 6th reading of EC votes:

- There were protests scheduled for multiple different days. Trump and his cabal contacted the organizers of these protests and had them all switch their protest days to all coincide on Jan 6th.
- Trump, as sitting president, and his team coordinated with rightwing militias, like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, who were the very same people convicted of the attack you're describing and carrying out Trump's seditious conspiracy to keep him in office.
-Their communications planning and coordinating the aforementioned activities is plenty of concrete evidence.

How convenient! When it’s YOUR circumstantial evidence that supports YOUR narrative, well that’s as good as Gospel.

When there are MOUNTAINS of circumstantial evidence showing election irregularities and outright fraud that necessitated that rally to start with….why, THOSE are just conspiracy theories.

You cannot be obtuse enough to not see the problem here, Karl.

 

[blubo]

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Gotta love roseanne
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[sambowieshin]

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Those laws have to change. There needs to be male, female and Trans categories for competition....Or only allow MTF persons to compete against males....not against females. It is BS.
And I am pro LGBTQ. But your rights end where mine begin is my marker for that group.

 

[Cold Stout Beer]

Capitol Hill getting flooded with phone calls from Tik Tok users saying not to ban it.

One was a middle school student that said he/she'd kill him/herself if they banned it.

We're such an F'ed up country with so many losers running around.

 

[JumperJack]

I don’t give one flying F about “destroying property”. The issue was disrupting the over two century peaceful transfer of power in our constitutional republic.

🤡
How about the over two century tradition of NOT having federal bureaucrats take sides in presidential elections by spying on candidates, releasing phony stories about their collusion with foreign powers, or protecting their chosen candidates by claiming that anything they found contrary to theeir campaigns was “misinformation”?

Any thoughts on this, Karl the Constitution lover?

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

 

[Bill Cosby]

I got a question on this though. What are we going to do about corporate greed, stock buy backs, wage growth not being seen, etc

I mean, something has to give for the American people. And it's not JUST us Millennials and GenZ 'ers spending too much on avocado toast. Our buying power has been nuked, A greater % of families cant afford to buy a home (with a mortgage as a "forced" saving account), SS and Pensions won't be a thing. College unaffordable, etc.

I am genuinely curious what the thoughts are here on this topic. I don't feel great about my 40's 50s and beyond.

You listed college, homes, SS/Pensions. Add health care. Add automobiles.

There’s a common denominator amongst those, and it’s not corporate greed. It’s government bureaucracy and regulation.

Taking money from businesses so Washington can divvy it out amongst the ruling class is not going to solve anything. In fact, as we always see, it makes matters much, much worse.


If a corporation has extra cash on hand, and confident management, I see no issue with them buying shares from investors who no longer want to hold the investment.


If you told me I could walk down a path where the federal income tax is eliminated, or federal income taxes are increased, and what would be best for the future of the country, I’d take elimination 100 times out of 100. And thats coming from someone who makes his living advising people on tax issues.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Capitol Hill getting flooded with phone calls from Tik Tok users saying not to ban it.

One was a middle school student that said he/she'd kill him/herself if they banned it.

We're such an F'ed up country with so many losers running around.

We gotta do something about social media and smart phone use. This stuff might be worse for you than smoking tobacco.

Parents and teachers need to work together to keep this stuff away from our youths for as long as possible.

 

[Dionysus444]

How convenient! When it’s YOUR circumstantial evidence that supports YOUR narrative, well that’s as good as Gospel.

When there are MOUNTAINS of circumstantial evidence showing election irregularities and outright fraud that necessitated that rally to start with….why, THOSE are just conspiracy theories.

You cannot be obtuse enough to not see the problem here, Karl.

That evidence isn’t circumstantial. It’s direct.