POLITICAL THREAD

[UPSCat4080]

I hear what you are saying and agree in theory.
But when that disruption never actually results in ANY meaningful legislation that improves the lives of the American people...wth has he even accomplished at the end of the day?
Infrastructure Law? Nope
Healthcare?? Nope
Education?? Nope
Border Law?? Nope
Keeping people constantly angry, scared or both serves no purpose without doing the hard work of legislating.
Whether you like it or not, we have a system of government that requires compromise and hard work to pass laws. It is messy and not perfect but it is what we have.
Trump doesn't do laws. He does Tweets, Executive Orders and grievance/division politics to keep suckers sending him money.
Bitching, moaning and tweeting is not LEADING. He is fat and lazy. He doesn't want to do the hard work required to actually pass laws.
You may not like Biden's laws because of policy differences but he has achieved a lot of laws being passed that benefited the American people.
Trump actually killed a decent border law because it was going to hurt him politically.

-Border numbers were as low as they ever had been BECAUSE of the stay in Mexico policy that Trump had passed
-Healthcare costs were tolerable and Trump was a key component in reducing the cost of insulin and other drugs
-Education always needs reformed at certain levels, but we certainly didn't hear about the rhetoric we do today in the educational system under Biden that has embraced boys using girls bathrooms resulting in your favorite talking point of 12 year olds being abused

You are one that I speak of that it doesn't matter what any Republican especially trump says...you are deranged. Anyone that can tout any single good thing that Biden has done is just plain delusional. Shipping trillions to states to build roads isn't an accomplishment. Its feasibly irresponsible and was a throw money at everyone to fix a problem type of solution.

Fact is the economy and life was better under Trump, we had no ongoing wars and this woke BS wasn't running rampant in our country.

Biden vs Trump in November will be a bloodbath....cant wait.

 

[sambowieshin]

I did find it funny he talked about how he had brought down inflation from 9% to 3.1% but he failed to mention it went from 1.4% when he took office to that 9%.

If he has to take responsibility for the post Covid inflation then Trump owns the Covid unemployment and economic crash.
Can't have it both ways.

 

[sambowieshin]

-Border numbers were as low as they ever had been BECAUSE of the stay in Mexico policy that Trump had passed
-Healthcare costs were tolerable and Trump was a key component in reducing the cost of insulin and other drugs
-Education always needs reformed at certain levels, but we certainly didn't hear about the rhetoric we do today in the educational system under Biden that has embraced boys using girls bathrooms resulting in your favorite talking point of 12 year olds being abused

You are one that I speak of that it doesn't matter what any Republican especially trump says...you are deranged. Anyone that can tout any single good thing that Biden has done is just plain delusional. Shipping trillions to states to build roads isn't an accomplishment. Its feasibly irresponsible and was a throw money at everyone to fix a problem type of solution.

Fact is the economy and life was better under Trump, we had no ongoing wars and this woke BS wasn't running rampant in our country.

Biden vs Trump in November will be a bloodbath....cant wait.

Yeah that's what you said at the midterm.
As long as the Jan 6th Rioter in Chief is running and MTG is the face of the Republican Party....I'm not too worried.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

I hear what you are saying and agree in theory.
But when that disruption never actually results in ANY meaningful legislation that improves the lives of the American people...wth has he even accomplished at the end of the day?
Infrastructure Law? Nope
Healthcare?? Nope
Education?? Nope
Border Law?? Nope
Keeping people constantly angry, scared or both serves no purpose without doing the hard work of legislating.
Whether you like it or not, we have a system of government that requires compromise and hard work to pass laws. It is messy and not perfect but it is what we have.
Trump doesn't do laws. He does Tweets, Executive Orders and grievance/division politics to keep suckers sending him money.
Bitching, moaning and tweeting is not LEADING. He is fat and lazy. He doesn't want to do the hard work required to actually pass laws.
You may not like Biden's laws because of policy differences but he has achieved a lot of laws being passed that benefited the American people.
Trump actually killed a decent border law because it was going to hurt him politically.

How many times did the democrats use the filibuster? Hint: it was a record amount

But yes, the legislative branch is supposed to legislate. They don't want to, hence why for examples Democrats hate the Supreme Court. Really the president is supposed to have minimal power...Calvin Coolidge was pretty much the last president to operate in this way, then 2 presidents later FDR went full on monarch

 

[BlueRunner11]

How convenient! When it’s YOUR circumstantial evidence that supports YOUR narrative, well that’s as good as Gospel.

When there are MOUNTAINS of circumstantial evidence showing election irregularities and outright fraud that necessitated that rally to start with….why, THOSE are just conspiracy theories.

You cannot be obtuse enough to not see the problem here, Karl.

It’s like they’ve all taken an oath on Ashley Biden’s diary to go to their graves, heads in the sand, ignoring fraud thats so obvious a child can see it.

 

[sambowieshin]

How many times did the democrats use the filibuster? Hint: it was a record amount

But yes, the legislative branch is supposed to legislate. They don't want to, hence why for examples Democrats hate the Supreme Court. Really the president is supposed to have minimal power...Calvin Coolidge was pretty much the last president to operate in this way, then 2 presidents later FDR went full on monarch

Dems only hate the Supreme Court when they are the minority.

 

[sambowieshin]

-Border numbers were as low as they ever had been BECAUSE of the stay in Mexico policy that Trump had passed
-Healthcare costs were tolerable and Trump was a key component in reducing the cost of insulin and other drugs
-Education always needs reformed at certain levels, but we certainly didn't hear about the rhetoric we do today in the educational system under Biden that has embraced boys using girls bathrooms resulting in your favorite talking point of 12 year olds being abused

You are one that I speak of that it doesn't matter what any Republican especially trump says...you are deranged. Anyone that can tout any single good thing that Biden has done is just plain delusional. Shipping trillions to states to build roads isn't an accomplishment. Its feasibly irresponsible and was a throw money at everyone to fix a problem type of solution.

Fact is the economy and life was better under Trump, we had no ongoing wars and this woke BS wasn't running rampant in our country.

Biden vs Trump in November will be a bloodbath....cant wait.

I do think that Trump's Stay in Mexico policy was a good one. His kids in cages not so much.
I said earlier that Biden has botched the border but Republicans gave him an out by rejecting the border bill.

 

[Dionysus444]

🤡
How about the over two century tradition of NOT having federal bureaucrats take sides in presidential elections by spying on candidates, releasing phony stories about their collusion with foreign powers, or protecting their chosen candidates by claiming that anything they found contrary to theeir campaigns was “misinformation”?

Any thoughts on this, Karl the Constitution lover?

Uh, it doesn't exist? We've been doing dirty politics since our inception. From all the way back with foreign collusion scandals under Washington and Jefferson to domestic spying scandals under Nixon and W today. None of that compares to what Trump did.

 

[Dionysus444]

But for the vast majority that have been criminalized, they had no such intentions.

Yes they did. It's the sole thing they were there to do.

Its selective and purposes itself in silencing any forms of dissent or questioning. You made no comment in regards to what I said about that.

Just last night, Gaza protesters were blocking Biden’s motorcade from arriving at the SOTU. No arrests were made. Why? Because Biden has to politically tread lightly with that bunch.

The reason your seeing such an uprising in protest (and this is a non partisan statement) from all angles is because you have corruption to the point that people can’t ignore it any longer and instead of these politicians taking note and changing course, they’re simply crapping on the Constitution trying to shut them up through fear, intimidation, and imprisonment.

All bull. They weren't arrested cause what they did wasn't a big deal. It was protesting a war, not trying to block our over two century old peaceful transfer of power and overthrow our Constitution to install a reality TV show host as God-Emperor for life.

 

[JumperJack]

Uh, it doesn't exist? We've been doing dirty politics since our inception. From all the way back with foreign collusion scandals under Washington and Jefferson to domestic spying scandals under Nixon and W today. None of that compares to what Trump did.

I’ll give you the floor to tell us when, ever, that the intelligence agencies and federal government have EVER taken the actions against a candidate or sitting POTUS that we have seen since 2016. This is a great chance to use that degree from MSU and impress us.

 

[trueblujr2]

Don’t think you’ll find me defending destroying property etc anywhere in my post history. Again, those people were charged.

The heart of the issue is theres thousands others that have been charged that did none of that. That were there peacefully. I read about someone new almost daily getting ripped from their home for being anywhere near DC still years after the fact.

This admin is using intimidation and threat of imprisonment to shut down any dissenting voices or opinions which is par for the course if you look what they’ve done with censorship in general the last 4 years. That’s the sign of a corrupt gov that has lots to hide. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

If people think an election was stolen, can they not speak up? What apparatus is there for the people to take advantage of if an election actually is stolen? If there is none, then why not steal it every time which tbh is likely the goal.

When a government decides it wants to criminalize questioning the integrity of an election, they are definitely covering for corruption, there is no two ways about that. If they had nothing to hide, they would be open and transparent. They wouldn't conceal or destroy documents, or video evidence, they would allow anyone who questions something full access to whatever they are questioning. hiding shit then saying it was all on the up and up is corruption in and of itself.

 

[Dionysus444]

I’ll give you the floor to tell us when, ever, that the intelligence agencies and federal government have EVER taken the actions against a candidate or sitting POTUS that we have seen since 2016. This is a great chance to use that degree from MSU and impress us.

J Edgar Hoover and John F Kennedy? That's just one glaringly obvious example off the top of my head.

Edit to add: And no reason to knock Morehead(I assume that's the MSU you're talking about as it's a little more relevant to our area than Mississippi State lol), had several friends who went there. Lax dorm security

 

[trueblujr2]

Agreed. We may disagree on his record, but I do not think it is a coincidence that when Trump came in and served it seems like every parasite in Washington DC reared its head and attacked him to try to destroy him. There's a reason why the elites don't want someone in power that doesn't bow to them and for me I'm with the guy that is causing so much disruption. What's bad for Washington is good for the American people 100%.

before Trump descended that escalator, every damn one of the Democrats were on their knees begging for him to give them a campaign contribution, especially the Clintons. They all feared him because he knew their game and how it was played, and you can bet he knows where a lot of skeletons are hidden.

 

[trueblujr2]

I got a question on this though. What are we going to do about corporate greed, stock buy backs, wage growth not being seen, etc

I mean, something has to give for the American people. And it's not JUST us Millennials and GenZ 'ers spending too much on avocado toast. Our buying power has been nuked, A greater % of families cant afford to buy a home (with a mortgage as a "forced" saving account), SS and Pensions won't be a thing. College unaffordable, etc.

I am genuinely curious what the thoughts are here on this topic. I don't feel great about my 40's 50s and beyond.

I"m 54 and like to think I have another 30+ years left on the planet. but yeah, I'm scared. Scared for a lot of things beyond just what will happen to us all financially. I'm generally concerned for the overall direction and what sort of totalian government we will be living under within the next few years if the WEF/UN are allowed to continue down the path they are going globally.

 

[Creed Bratton]

If he has to take responsibility for the post Covid inflation then Trump owns the Covid unemployment and economic crash.
Can't have it both ways.

That is definitely a 2 way street. They can't just blame Trump for the bad stuff and then claim the good parts of it.

 

[sambowieshin]

Yes they did. It's the sole thing they were there to do.

All bull. They weren't arrested cause what they did wasn't a big deal. It was protesting a war, not trying to block our over two century old peaceful transfer of power and overthrow our Constitution to install a reality TV show host as God-Emperor for life.

The cognitive dissonance regarding this issue is mind boggling.
If Biden did the EXACT SAME THING at the end of his term....
Called the election results fake....
instructed Kamala Harris to overturn the results Unconstitutionally....
Invited thousands of BLM members to a rally on that day.....
Incited them to violence by telling them Republicans took away their votes for President illegally.....
Then sat in the Oval f'ing Office doing NOTHING as it was attacked by BLM members to stop the certification.....
I can't even imagine the Republican reaction to that carnage.

But the feds.....

 

[trueblujr2]

I don’t give one flying F about “destroying property”. The issue was disrupting the over two century peaceful transfer of power in our constitutional republic.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Destroying and vandalizing property during a protest violates the constitution and breaks laws. Not to mention that it harms innocent people and business owners, so you should give a flying F about it. I bolded that last part too because that's precisely the reason people were within their Constitutional rights to be at the Capitol on J6.

 

[sambowieshin]

I"m 54 and like to think I have another 30+ years left on the planet. but yeah, I'm scared. Scared for a lot of things beyond just what will happen to us all financially. I'm generally concerned for the overall direction and what sort of totalian government we will be living under within the next few years if the WEF/UN are allowed to continue down the path they are going globally.

Totalitarian UN??? Lol
You have to be kidding.
The UN has about as much power to impose their will on any country as a midget in a dunk contest.

 

[BlueRunner11]

When a government decides it wants to criminalize questioning the integrity of an election, they are definitely covering for corruption, there is no two ways about that. If they had nothing to hide, they would be open and transparent. They wouldn't conceal or destroy documents, or video evidence, they would allow anyone who questions something full access to whatever they are questioning. hiding shit then saying it was all on the up and up is corruption in and of itself.

Absolutely. 💯

 

[sambowieshin]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Destroying and vandalizing property during a protest violates the constitution and breaks laws. Not to mention that it harms innocent people and business owners, so you should give a flying F about it. I bolded that last part too because that's precisely the reason people were within their Constitutional rights to be at the Capitol on J6.

They were within their Constitutional right to assemble....
But not to beat cops, breach barricades, smash doors/windows or interrupt an act of Congress.
That is why they are in jail where they belong.

 

[sambowieshin]

When a government decides it wants to criminalize questioning the integrity of an election, they are definitely covering for corruption, there is no two ways about that. If they had nothing to hide, they would be open and transparent. They wouldn't conceal or destroy documents, or video evidence, they would allow anyone who questions something full access to whatever they are questioning. hiding shit then saying it was all on the up and up is corruption in and of itself.

He had his day(s) in court over 60 times.
Does it not give you pause that after almost 4 years NOTHING has been revealed or proven that show the election was rigged???
Why doesn't Trump want to expedite the Ga election case so he can reveal all the cheating for all the world to see???
Because he is a lying POS and knows it.
Real easy to cry wolf....but the wolf needs to been seen at some point.

Trump thought courts were key to winning. Judges disagreed.

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump and his allies say their lawsuits aimed at subverting the 2020 election and reversing his loss to Joe Biden would be substantiated, if only judges were allowed to hear the cases.

apnews.com

 

[Dionysus444]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Destroying and vandalizing property during a protest violates the constitution and breaks laws. Not to mention that it harms innocent people and business owners, so you should give a flying F about it. I bolded that last part too because that's precisely the reason people were within their Constitutional rights to be at the Capitol on J6.

They could've petitioned for redress of their grievances any of the days the protests were originally scheduled for. Storming the Capitol building on the day the Electoral College votes are being read is not petitioning. They didn't protest outside random federal buildings for redress, they very specifically on instructions from the sitting president marched on the Capitol building and reading of EC votes only.

 

[Dionysus444]

Totalitarian UN??? Lol
You have to be kidding.
The UN has about as much power to impose their will on any country as a midget in a dunk contest.

I can't in good conscience like your comment because of the offensive simile but the sentiment is spot on lol. The UN does nothing.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Some of those crazy loons even planted pipe bombs. You guys ever get to the bottoms of who did that?

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

Can't do anything right...lol

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

@sambowieshin biden threatening the life of justices

 

[BlueRunner11]

Yes they did. It's the sole thing they were there to do.

All bull. They weren't arrested cause what they did wasn't a big deal. It was protesting a war, not trying to block our over two century old peaceful transfer of power and overthrow our Constitution to install a reality TV show host as God-Emperor for life.

No they weren’t. You’re painting with an awfully broad brush there.

Blocking a Presidential motorcade on its way to deliver the SOTU address to the American people is no biggie? Interesting. Would they’ve been arrested if they had on maga hats? Of course they would’ve.

Your last statement shows it’s difficult for you to leave emotion out of it and look at this objectively. Sambo liked it though.

 

[AustinTXCat]

And they call our side unAmerican.

 

[Cold Stout Beer]

The Pelosi's don't even hide enriching themselves on the backs of the people. Rest in Hell.

 

[BlueRunner11]

They were within their Constitutional right to assemble....
But not to beat cops, breach barricades, smash doors/windows or interrupt an act of Congress.
That is why they are in jail where they belong.

What about the 100s of others that did none of that? You’re literally describing a handful of individuals comparatively speaking to the size of that crowd.

 

[BlueRunner11]

I can't in good conscience like your comment because of the offensive simile but the sentiment is spot on lol. The UN does nothing.

Besides funding the southern invasion taking place.

 

[sambowieshin]

What about the 100s of others that did none of that? You’re literally describing a handful of individuals comparatively speaking to the size of that crowd.

You are absolutely correct. Many of those in attendance did not breach the Capitol or commit violence. They did nothing wrong. They were lied to and tricked into fighting for a fake cause.
My problem lies with the whitewashing of the ones that DID commit criminal acts of violence towards Capitol police and property.
Trump brags about them...calls them hostages and sings songs with the ones in jail.
It is total BS.

 

[Dionysus444]

Blocking a Presidential motorcade on its way to deliver the SOTU address to the American people is no biggie? Interesting. Would they’ve been arrested if they had on maga hats? Of course they would’ve.

What? There is absolutely no way they would've been arrested doing the same thing, wearing MAGA hats protesting aid to Gaza for example. They were doing a sit-in. You think a Democratic administration would've come in with the dogs and fire hoses? How warped is your persecution complex? He would've made a big show of it in the SOTU and tried to play it politically, not tear gassed them.

Your last statement shows it’s difficult for you to leave emotion out of it and look at this objectively. Sambo liked it though.

It's literally true man. I used intentionally absurd language because it is actually absurd that we're having this discussion in American politics. No American should want a dictator. The fact that Trump has such a hold on a certain percentage of America is horrific.

 

[JumperJack]

How warped is your persecution complex?

“It’s not just Trump, it’s the entire philosophy that underpins the — I’m going to say something, it’s like semi-fascism.”

“I respect conservative Republicans,” Biden said later. “I don’t respect these MAGA Republicans.” -Joe Biden the Unifier, 2022

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

“We totally criticize him” crowd, here you go

https://www.axios.com/2024/03/08/trump-claims-tiktok-ban-would-only-help-enemy-facebook

 

[trueblujr2]

What? There is absolutely no way they would've been arrested doing the same thing, wearing MAGA hats protesting aid to Gaza for example. They were doing a sit-in. You think a Democratic administration would've come in with the dogs and fire hoses? How warped is your persecution complex? He would've made a big show of it in the SOTU and tried to play it politically, not tear gassed them.

It's literally true man. I used intentionally absurd language because it is actually absurd that we're having this discussion in American politics. No American should want a dictator. The fact that Trump has such a hold on a certain percentage of America is horrific.

The fact you think Trump is or will become some "Dictator for life" is what's patently absurd, especially while completely ignoring every dictatorial or authoritarian thing Biden and the Democrats are doing.

 

[SDC888]

The fact you think Trump is or will become some "Dictator for life" is what's patently absurd, especially while completely ignoring every dictatorial or authoritarian thing Biden and the Democrats are doing.

It's always a completely shameless hoax after hoax with these people, completely lacking in self-awareness as well.

Maybe their nonsensical, hysterical conspiracy theories about Jan 6 would've stuck if they didn't try to pull of so many others about Trump. THen they gaslight about how great things are under Biden to add insult to injury.

If you the average voter still can't see right through them and these stupid games they devise, then there's not much hope for you.

 

[blubo]

😡

 

[WTF Cat]

I’ll give you the floor to tell us when, ever, that the intelligence agencies and federal government have EVER taken the actions against a candidate or sitting POTUS that we have seen since 2016. This is a great chance to use that degree from MSU and impress us.

I'm gonna assume "MSU" is "Moron State University"... because, if not, somebody wasted a lot of money.