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A very wordy post of denial. Hell, even your first line “let’s say this is true”. What? It’s on camera. Lmao denial denial.I watched some of the video, namely what you said to watch.
A breakdown of your quote
They go to addresses of absentee voters. That is proof of fraud.
Let's say this is true
The question is if it's enough to make a difference.
If there are instances of fraud then you're right in asking if these occurrences are enough to make a difference.
The problem is they claim there is no proof so they won't look.
The issue with this is there are can be instances of fraud but said fraud does not constitute as proof of a larger conspiracy. So when they say there is no proof they're not saying there were zero instances of fraud, they're saying it's not at such a scale that warrants a recount.
I.e. If you committed fraud in your local election the committee wouldn't do a total recount of the whole election as it wouldn't make any sense unless there were a sizable number of fraudulent ballots.
Below is a thorough breakdown of instances of voting fraud.
Now, back away from thinking about 2020 and look at the numbers below as if it's 2014 or 2106.
For example, in a study back in 2014 there were only 31 instances of fraud from 2000-2014
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites.../Briefing_Memo_Debunking_Voter_Fraud_Myth.pdf
If you've gotten this far, good on you.
From reading the many examples above we can see voter fraud does not happen at the level it's purported by Trump or some RW media.
Taking this into account you'd ask yourself what then happened in 2020?
How did Biden win but Dem's didn't conquer the House or Senate races? This alone gives reason to think the election conspiracy is just that, a conspiracy.
This leads me to an answer below:
The simplest answer is typically the right one and that's Trump likely made it up b/c he was raised to hate losing. He was raised to view that anything below "winning" meant you're a loser.**
**it's fine to dislike losing but it's unhealthy to do it in the manner D.T. does. The whole "If you ain't first, you're last" is comedic but there are people in real life who view everything as winning and losing.
So when he lost to Ted Cruz in the Iowa Caucus you had this
Runner-up drama: Trump says Cruz 'stole' Iowa election; Sanders mulls challenge
Donald Trump, despite conceding defeat to Ted Cruz Monday night in Iowa, is now accusing the Texas Republican senator of stealing the race – and calling for either a new election to be held or the results to be nullified.www.foxnews.com
Trump accuses Cruz of stealing Iowa caucuses through 'fraud'
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on Wednesday accused rival Ted Cruz of stealing a victory in the Iowa caucuses and called for another vote or nullification of Cruz's win.www.reuters.com
Twitter Battles Over Kavanaugh Nomination Roar - Roll Call
The political din over Brett Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court nomination features the same kind of overheated rhetoric and partisanship of previous legendary confirmation fights. But this time, there is Twitter. The preferred social media platform of President Donald Trump — the one that allows him to...factba.se
Prior to the 2016 election, you had this
After winning in 2016 but losing the popular vote he tweeted this
You have 3 different periods, early 2016, election 2016, and 2020 all of which Trump spouts voter fraud.
Twitter Battles Over Kavanaugh Nomination Roar - Roll Call
The political din over Brett Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court nomination features the same kind of overheated rhetoric and partisanship of previous legendary confirmation fights. But this time, there is Twitter. The preferred social media platform of President Donald Trump — the one that allows him to...
Searching his Twitter archive you can see 607 instances of him tweeting about Fraud most of which lead up to the 2020 election.
So there's either massive voter fraud and D.T. is correct or he just shouts fraud with most of those shouts happening even before the event itself.
I.E. he's covering his bases. If he wins, there's still fraud b/c he didn't win by more BUT if he loses there's such a wide-scale fraud that's the end of democracy.
If there was fraud in 2016 he had an entire 4 years to make sure it didn't happen again. He would've been looked at as being a savior of democracy for "cracking the case" on voter fraud in the race against Cruz and subsequently Hillary.
In reality, there's no massive fraud and for a thought experiment, you should picture Biden tweeting all of this rather than Trump. What would your opinion be then?
Mine would still be that the person making those tweets is a whiny person who cannot stand losing, not because it's bad (it's not) but because his dad told him it was.
@Bill Derington wanted to tag you so you could see Trump's Tweets
@Lost In FL @warrior-cat adding ya'll because I've had convos with the two of you in the past, respect the both of ya'll but I just sit towards the left.
Those that are tagged and those that are not I want you to look at those tweets.
Twitter Battles Over Kavanaugh Nomination Roar - Roll Call
The political din over Brett Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court nomination features the same kind of overheated rhetoric and partisanship of previous legendary confirmation fights. But this time, there is Twitter. The preferred social media platform of President Donald Trump — the one that allows him to...
I want you to go through these as well as just navigate through the above archive of tweets just to see what kind of person D.T. is. Look at his 2017 to 2020 tweets and tell me if those were made by Obama or Biden if ya'll would think it's no big deal. If you end up coming to a conclusion that it would be a big deal if those two made any of those tweets then ya'll are in a land of hypocrisy.
Don't turn this into whataboutism either, the issue at hand is voter fraud not the crap that Biden is doing now or what Obama did in 2009-2016.
fraud vitiates everything
You are far left. What is sad. You will defend the crime of the century while our country burns to the ground. Funny, how climate change clowns don’t see that threat.
People dont even realize how much damage a crazy person could do with 5 gallons of gasoline strategically placed and ignited. How do you regulate that?
Here is 1 gallon.
That is awesome but reports say that over 14000 people voted in Nevada that had either moved to another state or wasn't registered to vote. That is just looking at addresses. We aren't even looking at other forms of voter fraud in Nevada. One Hillary campaign worker moved out of state but was still on the absentee ballot roll.... What are we doing here? do you want to justify not looking? then quit playing. Voter fraud happened. The question is... at what level? So either you want to know how much voter fraud occurred or you want to pretend it didn't happen.I watched some of the video, namely what you said to watch.
A breakdown of your quote
They go to addresses of absentee voters. That is proof of fraud.
Let's say this is true
The question is if it's enough to make a difference.
If there are instances of fraud then you're right in asking if these occurrences are enough to make a difference.
The problem is they claim there is no proof so they won't look.
The issue with this is there are can be instances of fraud but said fraud does not constitute as proof of a larger conspiracy. So when they say there is no proof they're not saying there were zero instances of fraud, they're saying it's not at such a scale that warrants a recount.
I.e. If you committed fraud in your local election the committee wouldn't do a total recount of the whole election as it wouldn't make any sense unless there were a sizable number of fraudulent ballots.
Below is a thorough breakdown of instances of voting fraud.
Now, back away from thinking about 2020 and look at the numbers below as if it's 2014 or 2106.
For example, in a study back in 2014 there were only 31 instances of fraud from 2000-2014
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites.../Briefing_Memo_Debunking_Voter_Fraud_Myth.pdf
If you've gotten this far, good on you.
From reading the many examples above we can see voter fraud does not happen at the level it's purported by Trump or some RW media.
Taking this into account you'd ask yourself what then happened in 2020?
How did Biden win but Dem's didn't conquer the House or Senate races? This alone gives reason to think the election conspiracy is just that, a conspiracy.
This leads me to an answer below:
The simplest answer is typically the right one and that's Trump likely made it up b/c he was raised to hate losing. He was raised to view that anything below "winning" meant you're a loser.**
**it's fine to dislike losing but it's unhealthy to do it in the manner D.T. does. The whole "If you ain't first, you're last" is comedic but there are people in real life who view everything as winning and losing.
So when he lost to Ted Cruz in the Iowa Caucus you had this
Runner-up drama: Trump says Cruz 'stole' Iowa election; Sanders mulls challenge
Donald Trump, despite conceding defeat to Ted Cruz Monday night in Iowa, is now accusing the Texas Republican senator of stealing the race – and calling for either a new election to be held or the results to be nullified.
Trump accuses Cruz of stealing Iowa caucuses through 'fraud'
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on Wednesday accused rival Ted Cruz of stealing a victory in the Iowa caucuses and called for another vote or nullification of Cruz's win.
Twitter Battles Over Kavanaugh Nomination Roar - Roll Call
The political din over Brett Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court nomination features the same kind of overheated rhetoric and partisanship of previous legendary confirmation fights. But this time, there is Twitter. The preferred social media platform of President Donald Trump — the one that allows him to...
Prior to the 2016 election, you had this
After winning in 2016 but losing the popular vote he tweeted this
You have 3 different periods, early 2016, election 2016, and 2020 all of which Trump spouts voter fraud.
Twitter Battles Over Kavanaugh Nomination Roar - Roll Call
The political din over Brett Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court nomination features the same kind of overheated rhetoric and partisanship of previous legendary confirmation fights. But this time, there is Twitter. The preferred social media platform of President Donald Trump — the one that allows him to...
Searching his Twitter archive you can see 607 instances of him tweeting about Fraud most of which lead up to the 2020 election.
So there's either massive voter fraud and D.T. is correct or he just shouts fraud with most of those shouts happening even before the event itself.
I.E. he's covering his bases. If he wins, there's still fraud b/c he didn't win by more BUT if he loses there's such a wide-scale fraud that's the end of democracy.
If there was fraud in 2016 he had an entire 4 years to make sure it didn't happen again. He would've been looked at as being a savior of democracy for "cracking the case" on voter fraud in the race against Cruz and subsequently Hillary.
In reality, there's no massive fraud and for a thought experiment, you should picture Biden tweeting all of this rather than Trump. What would your opinion be then?
Mine would still be that the person making those tweets is a whiny person who cannot stand losing, not because it's bad (it's not) but because his dad told him it was.
@Bill Derington wanted to tag you so you could see Trump's Tweets
@Lost In FL @warrior-cat adding ya'll because I've had convos with the two of you in the past, respect the both of ya'll but I just sit towards the left.
Those that are tagged and those that are not I want you to look at those tweets.
Twitter Battles Over Kavanaugh Nomination Roar - Roll Call
The political din over Brett Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court nomination features the same kind of overheated rhetoric and partisanship of previous legendary confirmation fights. But this time, there is Twitter. The preferred social media platform of President Donald Trump — the one that allows him to...
I want you to go through these as well as just navigate through the above archive of tweets just to see what kind of person D.T. is. Look at his 2017 to 2020 tweets and tell me if those were made by Obama or Biden if ya'll would think it's no big deal. If you end up coming to a conclusion that it would be a big deal if those two made any of those tweets then ya'll are in a land of hypocrisy.
Don't turn this into whataboutism either, the issue at hand is voter fraud not the crap that Biden is doing now or what Obama did in 2009-2016.
And you also have to point out how many people complained of voter inconsistencies during the Dem primary but didn't have a problem 1 during the general....
Why would vote counters put up sheets over windows where they counted votes? What possible reason would someone have for preventing a legal observer from viewing the counting of an election? Honestly... Why would you stop people from watching you count a national election vote????? If Russia did that to a Ukraine election... would you be OK with the outcome?
You bastard dirk, I was about to post that and say 'look at him scare off all them democrats'
More racist lefties...they can't even get the name of their scotus appointee correct
Weird that all these peaceful countries are turning on their citizens so easily for opposing globalist agendas.
nothing to see here, leader of the free world and his wife has to constantly remind him what to say...
Just paid $5.19 for gas in Boston.
Thanks Joe!
Thanks Joe!
Another interesting Boston fact: many businesses are cash only... most I've ever seen in my life.
Hope this trend continues.
Hope this trend continues.
Democrats are terrorists
So glad Joe was with a Doctor of education
His butts been wiped. He told us so.
That is justice to Jameslee. Rules for thee but not for us.
Bingo!! And terrorists are democrats. Interesting...
Remember yesterday or day before when I posted that inflation was about to get much worse because there will have to stimulus and bailouts to put short term bandaids on long term ills?
Here is one already. Many more to come unfortunately.
Here's a hint Joe: don't wreck the economy and currency and you don't have to bail out everything
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Literally nobody cares. Stop trying to make Jan 6 a thing. It's not a thing and it never will be. When people are paying 5 bucks for gas...no god damn body is going to worry about Jan 6. Period.
Told you, it upsets his world view. So he denies the reality and finds things to confirm his bias.
I suspect IRL he does the word salad BS until ppl give up bc they'd rather pour salt on their own open wounds than listen to his "educated and unbiased" drivel.
She is a pretty woman. If she were a lefty she would already have been on every magazine cover. Everyone would know her name.
Just a reminder. They dont like you.
Devin nails it. White liberals are crazy. Not far from the saying, liberalism is a mental disorder.
Real Americans care about the US Constitution.
See you in 6 months lol.
Is that really true? Ms Page had wasted away so much that im not really sure she had any anyway.
Watch out people! Jameslee32 NOW likes the Constitution! This cherry picker is a true American!
I'm in agreement that things should be investigated if there are signs of rampant voter fraud but that just isn't the case here. I listed 3 examples of which Trump himself tweeted about voter fraud to show the continuity in how he operates.
Lose to Cruz, Fraud! Loser Popular Vote to Hillary, Fraud! Fall 2020 to January 2021, Fraud!
All Trump did, and this was actually smart but nefarious on his part, is shout "Fraud" long enough for people to start believing it. People were shouting fraud before the 2020 election simply because they see D.T. shouting it. Shouting it doesn't mean it's true but if you shout long enough then it's hard to discern fact from fiction especially if you're a follower.
If it were true you'd better believe the judges he nominated as well as the Republican powers would've investigated it. It wouldn't make any sense otherwise, I mean take GA for example, if there was actual voter fraud you'd better believe R's would've handed the state to Trump, and rightfully so. However, there wasn't so they gave it to J.B.
And you also And you also have to point out how many people complained of voter inconsistencies during the Dem primary but didn't have a problem 1 during the general.... 1 during the general....
This was more of the D establishment kicking Sanders to the curb rather than say blatant voter fraud. As for why they didn't say anything during the general election, it's because they won. On the flip side, Trump won in 2016 and still complained saying there was massive voter fraud, or else he'd have won the popular vote as well.
In your example, you used Nevada, a state where D's have only lost twice since 1992. Biden won by over 34,000 votes, do you know for certain if those 14,000 votes you mention all went towards Biden? If so that still leaves another 20,000 votes, where do those come from?
Why would vote counters put up sheets over windows where they counted votes? What possible reason would someone have for preventing a legal observer from viewing the counting of an election? Honestly... Why would you stop people from watching you count a national election vote????? If Russia did that to a Ukraine election... would you be OK with the outcome?
For this point, I cannot say anything because I do not know what the normal protocols are as it relates to these issues you mention. Do you have any articles on this? Multiple if you got em.
The only thing I could logically think of would be to hide your vote from other voters. We know how tribal it's been over the past 5 years or so and I'd imagine keeping one's vote secret is better than the alternative. People like to keep their politics out of their daily lives.
In closing, I know none of this will change peoples' minds but it's worth a shot. I just want people to be open-minded rather than have their heads in the sand. You're definitely the former, plus there's a sense of rationality coming from your end. The logic and reasoning behind why things should be investigated in Nevada are sound but when you look at the bigger picture, the stuff I detailed going back to 2016, the argument for fraud falls apart.**
**you better believe if there was fraud I'd want it investigated and the criminals held to account but that doesn't appear to be the case.
