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How will they rule ??!

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Now Trump is walking back the china trade deal talks because it is "too hard to get done". AKA, i made a promise to Xi to get his spy phone company back in business and congress bitch slapped me.

Republicans better not screw up this prison reform bill with a bunch of dumbass amendments as it comes out of committee. Focusing on reducing recidivism by pushing rehabilitation and reintegration is how you fix our prison population. The private prison lobby is going to dump millions into GOP pockets to try and get poison pills added on. They don't make money if prisoners aren't coming right back in.
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Of course money is the main factor in sentencing disparity. As a Marxist class struggles are always the first and foremost concern that affect us all. But when controlling for economic differences studies all show that racial sentencing disparities still exist. Are you denying that entirely?


False. We have no idea what Marxism will look like in America.
False, Marxism any where has never worked so, in this country it will look like everywhere that people don't work now. Run down and destroyed.
 
Y'all are sitting here straight-faced questioning his economic academic credentials when he literally invented the word capitalism. Nobody, including Marx, preaches we should through brute force enforce equal outcome, equal resources communism tomorrow.

Capitalism is just free enterprise, it describes what happens when people are free. Freedom is the real word, and yeah he did.

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No, it's a bunk philosophy baseed on lies and half-truths, promoted by liars and idiots just like Marx was. He contributed nothing to the understanding of anything, only misunderstanding and misery.
 
No wonder Dion doesn't understand anything. He starts with premise that everything is racist. And if you don't have same stupid belief patterns, then everyone is a moron
Racism in America today is not from whites, it is from those who have been duped into thinking America is a racist country and only whites can be racist. That in its self is racism from the left.
100%. The study didn't recreate anything. The violence addendum was a supplemental addition only done for the year they had data(2016).

All yes.

Hispanics aren't sentenced to less time, black people are sentenced to more. And yes, women being sentenced to less time than men is sex discrimination and bias just like black people getting more time than others is racial discrimination and bias.
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I started with the same propagandized premise we're all fed, that America is the greatest and best country in the history of the world. Standing for freedom, equality, and democracy. Learning about the reality of history woke me up from that delusion. I would suggest that pursuit of knowledge to all, but I know anything that requires reading or thinking is beyond your pay grade.
America IS the greatest country in the history of the world. We've had problems but got over them. The only problem now is that the so called "Woke" movement is being used to destroy what hard working and brave Americans have built. You don't become the number one country in the world by default. It is done by hard work and courage of it's citizens. You and the liberal left are trying to destroy it because you and they want what they have not or will not work for.
 
Y'all are sitting here straight-faced questioning his economic academic credentials when he literally invented the word capitalism. Nobody, including Marx, preaches we should through brute force enforce equal outcome, equal resources communism tomorrow. If they do they're an idiot. But attaching all actions of authoritarian governments to their economic systems is ridiculous. If socialism gets every Mao and Stalin death then capitalism gets every death from something relatively small like today's problem of late diagnoses or insurance denials due to lack of universal healthcare, all the way back to the genocidal exploitation of entire races and continents for profit. Everything from the exploitation of the natural resources in all of the Americas, Africa, Australia, and Asia by Europe; to the atrocities committed to attain them from the natives; to the American chattel enslavement of an entire race just to profit from the whips on their backs; to the European wars of expansion that killed millions; to the toxic pollution of our environment for the sake of profit margins; to the imperialist corporate wars where young people fought and died to line the pockets of a select few and maintain their hegemony; to food insecurity, poverty, lack of mental healthcare, drug addiction, and homelessness in our own communities like Appalachia, Detroit, Mississippi, and San Francisco. Capitalism gets it all.
False. All leftist talking points that you have been brainwashed with. Toe the line Dion! You have been enslaved by the false teachers of the Woke religion.
 
Define 'poor.' Define 'rich.' Then define it for the rest of the world as opposed to the United States.

Marx didn't 'simply' just talk about rich and poor, he claimed that spreading the misery was the answer. A total effing fool and he is responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths and decades of poverty worldwide.

Why are you anti-prosperity?
What he doesnt get, being free is better than being "rich".
 
Folks, it really boggles my mind that people like dion, plat, factchecker, and the like who profess to be so intelligent and woke can really be this dumb. I mean this, it's incredible. The dumbing down of America is in full force and it is happening to the ones who claim to be so smart. That's the beauty of it I guess. It's like those individuals who are the butt of a joke and are laughing not understanding that they are the joke.
 
Folks, it really boggles my mind that people like dion, plat, factchecker, and the like who profess to be so intelligent and woke can really be this dumb. I mean this, it's incredible. The dumbing down of America is in full force and it is happening to the ones who claim to be so smart. That's the beauty of it I guess. It's like those individuals who are the butt of a joke and are laughing not understanding that they are the joke.
I would really like to think no one is that dumb, and that it's just someone trying to get a rise out of people. Unfortunately, you turn on the news and see some of the crazy things going on and realize, yes people can be that dumb.
 
Marx was just an economic scholar. How governments choose to organize their economies are up to them. In America we've had a mixed economy since the Gilded Age when laissez-faire capitalism almost destroyed us utterly.
An Economics scholar with zero real world economic experience. he just studied it then came up with his own utopian dream that has failed miserably everywhere it's been tried.

That's the problem with you so-called "Scholars", you History majors, Economics majors, Political Science majors, Sociology majors, etc. You tend to think you're smarter than those of us who have lived and worked and experienced government in action. Those of us who have been around the block a few times so to speak and have real world experiences that formulate and guide our principles and beliefs. You 20-somethings fresh out of college with your expensive degrees that provide virtually no real-world application other than to teach and perpetuate these insane book learned and indoctrinated ideologies to the next generation. You are a perfect example of this. AOC is a perfect example of this.
 
The Founding Fathers owned slaves. Einstein was a notorious womanizer and cheater. I thought we were supposed to judge works separate from the people who produced them? That's what y'all preach at every statue rally...
We might judge Marx differently had he actually led a country and implemented his own ideas. The Founding Father's may have owned slaves, which was common among the elites of that time as horrific as it was, however they built a foundation for what would become the most powerful and richest country in the world. Einstein was a genius who WORKED as a the greatest Physicist in history and helped shape what science and physics are to this day by applying his theories to many real world applications. Who he screwed around on is irrelevant and between him and whoever's hearts he broke along the way. Karl Marx was a lazy bum who contributed literally nothing to the real world, but a book that has led to some of the most horrific attempts at Governance the world has ever seen.
 
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Well he was an Uncle Tom. So there’s that. He spoke out strongly against no black fathers in the homes. Definitely hated by the race hustlers.
He was also critical of the ridiculous names that blacks make up and pin on their kids. he definitely was not popular among “progressive” blacks.

His “pound cake” speech didn’t sit well with the race profiteers.
 
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He simply stated the obvious that @Bill Derington and the rest of you have been saying here all day, that poor people and rich people get different treatment. Class struggles are the most important and influential factors in every one of our lives. More and more of us are coming to recognize that every day, both 'liberals' and 'conservatives'.
How is class struggle the most important and influential factor in my life? I'm just a middle class dude, if my salary never increases from where it is today, I'll be ok. (well, that is if Biden doesn't inflate things to Venezuelan levels) I'm not "struggling" with my lot in society. If I hit the jackpot and become wealthy, that's great, if not I'll still be OK. but poor and reliant upon the government? That's something i'll never allow myself to become.
 
But, if you listen to the left, we have nothing to be proud of in America. We support and come to the aid of countries around the world after major disasters and during regular hard times much more than any country in the world. We are the most charitable country the world has ever seen.
American taxpayers are supporting most of the damned world, including those who hate us and want to see us dead.
 
I was told this was a right wing conspiracy

@Dionysus444, Perfect example here, Why can't the schools just teach history as it happened, with factual information and data, the way I was taught in school back in the 70's-80's? Why does it NOW have to be taught through this insane lens of the White man is evil and privileged and you white students must feel shame, guilt and remorse for being born white and you must atone for the sins of your ancestors even if they had nothing to do with any of this? Why is that? why is this the proper way to teach history now? (Personally it seems to me this perpetuates and allows for bullying of white kids in school, and todays schools would let that fly.)

We are so far removed from slavery and Jim Crow now that there is no going back. Is there some unfounded fear that some White Klan uprising is going to take over the country and put Blacks and POC back into slavery and strip away all their rights or get rid of them altogether? This seems to be what the left and the media is trying to propogate that the right is trying to do by associating any conservative or Trump supporter with "Muh, wHiTe SuPrEmAcY!"
 
His academic works. He's universally acclaimed as one of the best economists of the last few centuries. Das Kapital and others are required reading in basic economics courses alongside Adam Smith, Edmund Burke, John Stuart Mill, David Ricardo, etc. If you're talking about Stalin sending everyone to the gulags, Marx was long dead decades before any of that happened.
The fact his readings are required and revered in colleges is a prime example of why colleges are producing people like you these days.
 
Not watching the Olympics. Just wait and see how many of them do something to protest. Likely be the ones without the brand who just want the attention. They do not stand for anything except the publicity it will bring.

Shocker, another variant of Covid. Wondered how long it would take for big Pharma to figure out a way to push their Vaccines more. Meanwhile, my wife continues to have issues from the vaccine.

As for Trump, really torn on him running again. If we thought the onslaught from the Media and Washington was bad before you have not seen anything yet. If he by chance did win he better go full nuclear on the establishment on the right and do everything he can to get them out of office. His staff choices better be outsiders and not the same ole he had before and he better fire every single RHINO, Biden, Clinton and Obama person he can. I just do not see him winning. They will do everything and more to make sure it does not happen.
 
Define 'poor.' Define 'rich.' Then define it for the rest of the world as opposed to the United States.

Marx didn't 'simply' just talk about rich and poor, he claimed that spreading the misery was the answer. A total effing fool and he is responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths and decades of poverty worldwide.

Why are you anti-prosperity?
He's ok with prosperity as long as the ones who proseper by putting in the hard work, share their fortunes with those too lazy to do so. That way everybody is equal in the wallet. Problem is that system will dry up when the Prosperous stop prospering on their own because they see no gain in it.
 
First Marxists argue is that capitalism isn't perfect. Nothing is.

Second humans are born with certain advantages, physical, intellectual, status, etc. That's undeniable and unavoidable. So people aren't equal and never will be.

Third no system better allows for upward mobility. None. In fact maybe no other system allows upward mobility at all.

Final and most definitive case study is Berlin east/west. Same people, same geography, same heritage, same resources. Capitalistic west Berlin excelled so much, the soviets had to build a wall to keep the east Berliners from fleeing to capitalism.

I could go on and on. So much hate towards capitalism is a damning indictment of our education system, and their indoctrination.
 
Monarchism and fascism offer little in the way of solving problems, but the ideology you critique built a Republic. Galaxy brain shit here. That degree is really paying off for you.
And The UK built the world's largest Kingdom. The Nazi's conquered all of Europe for years. The Romans lasted thousands of years. The Soviets controlled most of Asia. Conservatism didn't build a republic. America's best years were when progressive minded people were in control. You're stuck in the past and if you don't learn to change the world will pass you by. Like when the Soviet downfall began, conservatives are smothered in corruption and medieval style of thinking. Conservatives should learn that change is okay. Trickle down economics doesn't work and has caused the largest wealth gap in this country's history. Pointless wars have caused massive unrest. Since the 20th century conservatism has offered very little to solve anything. Economic policies from conservatives hasn't worked. International policies hasn't worked as the eastern world never turned away from communism like Reagan said they would after the fall of the Soviets. Social policies have caused the most unrest in America since arguably the Civil Right Era (that majority of republicans tried to filibuster).
It's okay though.

You'll realize eventually that as more and more people are connected via internet and travel that people stray away from conservative ideals. And if you don't, well you'll probably be like the old dudes who still clamor that slavery was okay.
 
Not watching the Olympics. Just wait and see how many of them do something to protest. Likely be the ones without the brand who just want the attention. They do not stand for anything except the publicity it will bring.

Shocker, another variant of Covid. Wondered how long it would take for big Pharma to figure out a way to push their Vaccines more. Meanwhile, my wife continues to have issues from the vaccine.

As for Trump, really torn on him running again. If we thought the onslaught from the Media and Washington was bad before you have not seen anything yet. If he by chance did win he better go full nuclear on the establishment on the right and do everything he can to get them out of office. His staff choices better be outsiders and not the same ole he had before and he better fire every single RHINO, Biden, Clinton and Obama person he can. I just do not see him winning. They will do everything and more to make sure it does not happen.
I'm the same way about Trump. I don't have the disdain for him that @vhcat70 does, however I would rather see someone like Desantis take the reigns with Trump's backing. Trump is too toxic, and the length's the left will go to in order to prevent him from winning will make Covid look like child's play. I honestly hope this is all just Trump putting teasers like this out there to take the heat off Desantis who will eventually take over. If Trump does run, I think him and Desantis need to come to some gentlemen's agreement about how they handle the debates when they will inevitably be forced to go on the offensive against each other.
 
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