The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)

[SDC888]

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This has probably long been discussed here, I know it has from other speakers, but here is Kennedy also setting out a history evidently denied by some here.

The discourse is purposefully dumbed down, shallow and overly simplistic, so as to manufacture consent.

Were the conversation honest and sophisticated enough, no one would support this war. It's simply not worth risking World War 3 over whether a section of predominately ethnically Russian and Russian speaking Ukraine is governed by Kiev or Moscow. It is decidedly not in your (average John Q taxpayer) interest to prosecute this war, which will not be won without NATO intervention.

 

[vhcat70]

I respect Zelensky, but he was incredibly dumb and disrespectful in that meeting. He threatens the U.S. with war and said things that make peace even more difficult. If you saw that and thought he wants peace, you’re dreaming.

Well, Vance had no business butting in to make it a 2 on 1 debate.

 

[Mash 2.4]

Well, Vance had no business butting in to make it a 2 on 1 debate.

Yeah. How dare our VP inquire about his plans of pursuing peace while he was there picking up his check.

 

[SDC888]

Vance was right to put Zelenskyy in his place.

That I’d live to see the president of a former Soviet socialist state call the sitting VP a bitch to his face in the White House, never mind that the media and seals would spin a victim narrative for him, is not something I ever would’ve dreamed possible in the before times.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Well, Vance had no business butting in to make it a 2 on 1 debate.

Wrong. And, ridiculous. Vance and Zelensky had spoken prior to the meeting.

 

[Deeeefense]

The problem IMO was this happened during the presser. Frank discussions that sometimes can get loud are necessary so everyone can get their cards on the table but that should happened behind closed doors. Then, respective leaders can answer questions in the presser after everyone has "had their say" in private. The public and the media should be focused on the take away, as to what was agreed to what is left on the table, what was rejected etc, after all the arguing has taken place in private.

 

[vhcat70]

Yeah. How dare our VP inquire about his plans of pursuing peace while he was there picking up his check.

Look, Trump & Z are in charge of their countries, not Vance. If he's going to enter the discussion, Z's wingman should have been able to. Rather unbalanced discussion to me regardless of the merits.

 

[vhcat70]

Wrong. And, ridiculous. Vance and Zelensky had spoken prior to the meeting.

So what. It was a talk between two leaders. Vance isn't one of them.

 

[vhcat70]

Vance was right to put Zelenskyy in his place.

That I’d live to see the president of a former Soviet socialist state call the sitting VP a bitch to his face in the White House, never mind that the media and seals would spin a victim narrative for him, is not something I ever would’ve dreamed possible in the before times.

What's the USSR got to do with this?

Vance was out of line imo - repeating myself. Him putting Z in his place was acting like Trump's bodyguard. He should have asked Trump's permission to speak/step in. Disrespectful of Trump making Trump look small as Trump sat there. Were I Trump, I would have taken Vance to the woodshed afterwards.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

So what. It was a talk between two leaders. Vance isn't one of them.

Yeah, that’s the take away. 🤦‍♂️

 

[WayneDougan]

Rather unbalanced discussion to me regardless of the merits.

Dear God there is no hope for you.