MLB Draft Round 16 Last Round

[DraftCat]

I'll make it 8 AM going forward putting it in the OP

I wonder if for future drafts if people would be up for the getting the "WhatsApp" would be a free text message chat room.

 

[DraftCat]

Page 11 update.

@jrpross - Babe Ruth Grover Cleveland Alexander, Clayton Kershaw

@drcats2013 - Barry Bonds, Frank Thomas, Steve Carlton

@hotelblue - Sandy Koufax, Yogi Berra, Justin Verlander

@quest4#9 Ken Griffey Jr, Nolan Ryan, Mike Trout

@GoBigBlue712 - Hank Aaron, Cy Young, Tony Gwynn

@jcrow10 - Willie Mays, Ichiro Suzuki, Barry Larkin

@BigBlueFanGA - Walter Johnson, Ricky Henderson, Rod Carew

@CB3UK - Ty Cobb, Christy Matthewson, Alex Rodriquez

@JHannibalSmith - Lou Gehrig, Pedro Martinez, Max Scherzer, Miguel Cabrera

@LukaszObrzut - Ted Williams, Honus Wagner, Mariano Rivera, Curt Schilling

@csrupp - Mickey Mantle, Tom Seaver, Jimmie Foxx, Joe Morgan

@KopiKat - Bob Gibson, Albert Pujols, Warren Spahn, Chipper Jones

@podgejeff_ - Roger Clemons, Rogers Hornsby, Frank Robinson, Cal Ripken Jr.

@UKNorse - Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson, Lefty Groves, Mike Schmidt

@Cowtown Cat - Stan Musial, Joe DiMaggio, Roberto Clemente, Eddie Plank

@BigBlueEric - Pete Rose, Johnny Bench, Tris Speaker, Eddie Collins

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

@UKNorse , I told you no one else would have picked Mike Schmidt.

 

[DraftCat]

@UKNorse , I told you no one else would have picked Mike Schmidt.

check the last page @JHannibalSmith said he would of taken him.... but you are up! Lets see who you are rolling with.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I'm having to pick between 3 players here. The question is which do I think makes it back to me for the next round. Oh well, this round I'll take a consummate baseball player. Hitting, power, defense, absolute competitor......pine tar my ass.....George Brett.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

check the last page @JHannibalSmith said he would of taken him.... but you are up! Lets see who you are rolling with.

But he didn't, see. All talk.

 

[drcats2013]

@jcrow10 on the clock

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

@jcrow10 is OTC, @CB3UK you need to get your pick in, we've passed you.

 

[quest4#9]

@GoBigBlue712 up soon as well

 

[podgejeff_]

check the last page @JHannibalSmith said he would of taken him.... but you are up! Lets see who you are rolling with.

For the record, I was picking Mike Schmidt with the next pick after you.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

For the record, I was picking Mike Schmidt with the next pick after you.

I'm just playing court jester. I have some heartbreak going on in my extended family right now so I'm trying to laugh at myself whenever possible. It's better than the alternative.

 

[CB3UK]

Sorry fellas. Busy as hell today. Give me Chipper Jones to round out my hot corner with A-Rod pick from last round.

 

[DraftCat]

Sorry fellas. Busy as hell today. Give me Chipper Jones to round out my hot corner with A-Rod pick from last round.

he’s been taken

 

[CB3UK]

he’s been taken

I see that now. Guess I overlooked it when I read your updated lineups above.

I need a spreadsheet lol. Not easy going back and forth on a phone trying to check this stuff.

 

[GoBigBlue712]

I see that now. Guess I overlooked it when I read your updated lineups above.

I need a spreadsheet lol. Not easy going back and forth on a phone trying to check this stuff.

If you take my guy now two picks before me I will find you

 

[CB3UK]

Ill go with the career playoff home run king....Manny Ramirez

 

[jrpross]

Ill go with the career playoff home run king....Manny Ramirez

I had 6 guys in mind for my next 2 picks. That was one. I just KNOW the other 5 are next

 

[CB3UK]

I had 6 guys in mind for my next 2 picks. That was one. I just KNOW the other 5 are next

My pick ideas were Mike Schmidt, Chipper, and Joe Morgan. I swore Chipper was still on the board! Lol. I went back and saw Mike and Joe were gone too. I knew I needed another big bat....cant go wrong with ManRam in the postseason

 

[jrpross]

I'm having to pick between 3 players here. The question is which do I think makes it back to me for the next round. Oh well, this round I'll take a consummate baseball player. Hitting, power, defense, absolute competitor......pine tar my ass.....George Brett.

I had 6 guys in mind for my next 2 picks. That was one. I just KNOW the other 5 are next

Correction: another had already been taken SMH ^^

 

[jcrow10]

I will take SP Roy Halladay - 8 time All-Star, 2 Cy Young Awards

 

[quest4#9]

@GoBigBlue712

 

[GoBigBlue712]

Give me a guy who played in 7 World Series’s (5time champion) and batted .321 in those games. Also a phenomenal defender. Derek Jeter. @quest4#9

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Give me a guy who played in 7 World Series’s (5time champion) and batted .321 in those games. Also a phenomenal defender. Derek Jeter. @quest4#9

That was 1

 

[quest4#9]

I will take Jackie Robinson @hotelblue otc

 

[quest4#9]

@drcats2013 on deck

 

[drcats2013]

Give me a guy who played in 7 World Series’s (5time champion) and batted .321 in those games. Also a phenomenal defender. Derek Jeter. @quest4#9

Damn you.

 

[berniecarbo]

I will take Jackie Robinson @hotelblue otc

A steal for this late. Primarily 2B and his D saber numbers are off the charts, 409 OBP. Also great numbers at 3B and 1B, plus 150 games at LF.

 

[jrpross]

That was 1

Yep. He was near the top of my list. My #1 is still there tho....

 

[drcats2013]

Yep. He was near the top of my list. My #1 is still there tho....

Until I draft him.

 

[jrpross]

Until I draft him.

 

[DraftCat]

@hotelblue I believe you are up

 

[DraftCat]

Give me a guy who played in 7 World Series’s (5time champion) and batted .321 in those games. Also a phenomenal defender. Derek Jeter. @quest4#9

Nice try labeling Jeter as a "phenomenal defender" by all accounts he was one of the worst shortstops of his generation on defense. Just one article out of many. https://elitesportsny.com/2017/05/13/remember-derek-jeter-lets-not-forget-horrid-defense/

"For Jeter’s sake, he was 152 runs worse than the average shortstop — far worse than the second-worst shortstop in that time frame (’02-’14), Hanley Ramirez, who registered -73 DRS.

Per, FanGraphs, here’s an overall list of fielders who cost their teams the most runs on defense from 2003-2014:

1. Derek Jeter (-152)
2. Prince Fielder (-95)
3. Hanley Ramirez (-73)
4. Yuniesky Betancourt (-66)
5. Dan Uggla (-66)"

 

[jrpross]

Nice try labeling Jeter as a "phenomenal defender" by all accounts he was one of the worst shortstops of his generation on defense. Just one article out of many. https://elitesportsny.com/2017/05/13/remember-derek-jeter-lets-not-forget-horrid-defense/

"For Jeter’s sake, he was 152 runs worse than the average shortstop — far worse than the second-worst shortstop in that time frame (’02-’14), Hanley Ramirez, who registered -73 DRS.

Per, FanGraphs, here’s an overall list of fielders who cost their teams the most runs on defense from 2003-2014:

1. Derek Jeter (-152)
2. Prince Fielder (-95)
3. Hanley Ramirez (-73)
4. Yuniesky Betancourt (-66)
5. Dan Uggla (-66)"

I was totally going to take Jeter cuz he was a phenomenal player, but yeah, defensively he was below average at best.

 

[DraftCat]

I was totally going to take Jeter cuz he was a phenomenal player, but yeah, defensively he was below average at best.

Not even up for debate. Other than that his leadership and his clutch bat is definitely worth it.

His famous diving play into the seats definitely sways the casual viewer.

 

[KopiKat]

Per, FanGraphs, here’s an overall list of fielders who cost their teams the most runs on defense from 2003-2014:

1. Derek Jeter (-152)
2. Prince Fielder (-95)
3. Hanley Ramirez (-73)
4. Yuniesky Betancourt (-66)
5. Dan Uggla (-66)"

So simply by playing more games than any other fielder during that timeframe, Jeter is bound to be at the top of that list, and so on. Not that I have any interest in protecting the image of a shortstop like Jeter, or even a MUCH worse one like Ripken, but data weighted exclusively by participation over time is not going to illustrate quality, it is only going to illustrate who took the most risks over the period.

 

[DraftCat]

So simply by playing more games than any other fielder during that timeframe, Jeter is bound to be at the top of that list, and so on. Not that I have any interest in protecting the image of a shortstop like Jeter, or even a MUCH worse one like Ripken, but data weighted exclusively by participation over time is not going to illustrate quality, it is only going to illustrate who took the most risks over the period.

I don't want to argue over Jeters defense its a simple google search. By all metrics he is below or average at best regardless of games played. At one point the Yankees considered moving him to the outfield.

You can be a great player with defensive short comings... again other than defense he was a great player. Wouldn't of said anything if he didn't say "phenomenal defender"

 

[KopiKat]

I don't want to argue over Jeters defense its a simple google search. By all metrics he is below or average at best regardless of games played. At one point the Yankees considered moving him to the outfield.

You can be a great player with defensive short comings... again other than defense he was a great player. Wouldn't of said anything if he didn't say "phenomenal defender"

No offense, Norse. But if the Google search is that simple then you should have been able to provide data with genuine validity instead of something that just illustrates Jeter WAS the most active fielder during the period. I'm no Jeter fan. But if we are going to start nit-picking each other's draft picks then I'll get on board. Agree with your right to challenge the description 'pheonomenal'.

 

[podgejeff_]

So simply by playing more games than any other fielder during that timeframe, Jeter is bound to be at the top of that list, and so on. Not that I have any interest in protecting the image of a shortstop like Jeter, or even a MUCH worse one like Ripken, but data weighted exclusively by participation over time is not going to illustrate quality, it is only going to illustrate who took the most risks over the period.

Lol don't put Jeter and my newest draftee Ripken in the same sentence defensively. Jeter is routinely laughed at for his defense by pretty much every metric (outside of ridiculous gold glove awards given out almost at random)

Meanwhile Ripken's wiki reads

Nonetheless, Ripken demonstrated the ability to play excellent defense at shortstop, and as a result remained a fixture there for well over a decade, leading the league in assists several times, winning the Gold Glove twice, and, in 1990, setting the MLB record for best fielding percentage in a season at his position.[53][76][91] Though not a flashy fielder, Ripken displayed excellent fundamentals, and studied batters and even his own pitching staff so he could position himself to compensate for his lack of physical speed.[151] Ripken's legacy as a fielder is reflected by his place near the top of almost every defensive statistical category—he holds at least one all-time record (for either season, career, or most seasons leading the league) in assists, putouts, fielding percentage, double plays, and fewest errors. Ripken's career range factor was 4.73 (and as high as 5.50 for a single season), a mark few shortstops have reached.

Ripken's dWAR was positive every single year of his career, and he was roughly a two win defensive player through his entire career until he hit 35.

 

[DraftCat]

No offense, Norse. But if the Google search is that simple then you should have been able to provide data with genuine validity instead of something that just illustrates Jeter WAS the most active fielder during the period. I'm no Jeter fan. But if we are going to start nit-picking each other's draft picks then I'll get on board. Agree with your right to challenge the description 'pheonomenal'.

I mean I watched Jeter with my own eyes and he wasn't able to cover the hole. I don't need a google search.. but I'm not the only one clearly who shares the same sentiment that Jeter was below or average at defense.

I only wanted to comment on the language of "phenomenal defense" to describe his game. Other than that nothing personal.

I don't hate the pick just the verbiage used.

FYI this is the type of debating you will face in the playoffs. Just small nitpicking like this so don't take it personal.

 

[KopiKat]

I mean I watched Jeter with my own eyes and he wasn't able to cover the hole. I don't need a google search.. but I'm not the only one clearly who shares the same sentiment that Jeter was below or average at defense.

I only wanted to comment on the language of "phenomenal defense" to describe his game. Other than that nothing personal.

I don't hate the pick just the verbiage used.

FYI this is the type of debating you will face in the playoffs. Just small nitpicking like this so don't take it personal.

I don't take it personal. Not one iota. Told you square and straight I have no cross to carry for Jeter, his defense or otherwise. I challenged the data no different than you challenged the description. Seemed fair. Also implied I was happy to get on board with nit-picking, wrote nothing to shoo it away. I think maybe one of us could have taken something personally but it wasn't me and still isn't.

Jeter does have 5 gold gloves. It could be difficult to frame a below average argument from there. But then again what it the value of a gold glove. Hernandez has 11 of them (or is it 12?), an MVP, 2 world series and he is not in the HOF.

Jeter lacked one vote from a perfect first ballot.