He’s top five no doubt. It would be hard to not pick him if you’re building a team.He is the second greatest ever.
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He’s top five no doubt. It would be hard to not pick him if you’re building a team.He is the second greatest ever.
Can you imagine what the Sixers would look like if you swapped LeBron for Ben Simmons (and now rumors are he might end up playing WITH Ben Simmons)?
I think you're right, which is why I said LeBron in place of Simmons (because while, yeah, Simmons is headed towards superstardom, he's not LeBron yet).As a Sixers fan, that's the last thing I want to see happen. The Sixers have an exciting young team and Lebron would disrupt their development, especially Ben Simmons. Simmons already does what Lebron would want to do. Lebron would want to be the centerpiece and focus of the Sixers offense. The Sixers can win the East right now without Lebron.
Golden State is better than any team MJ ever faced in FinalsOf course Love is no Durant...but he was an all star so hes not chopped liver.
And ok so one team is better than the other. Is there a problem with that? Isnt that the point of "sports?" Or like everything else it has to be about fairness now and even playing fields? GS shouldnt apologize for anything just like UK shouldnt for being loaded in 2015.
Lebron HAS to flop????? Cmon man, you can do better.
True to all the above.
Never a seen one player so protected by the league/officials. No one else in the nba gets way with goaltending on that last block where it clearly hit the backboard first with 3 seconds left. Good shot after that though but still absolute bs how harcore the league protects this guy.
Golden State is better than any team MJ ever faced in Finals
Yes he does
The NBA has never been balanced bruh. LeBron has never had an elite center and only had an elite pg that played no defense for one championship.Well, yeah, teams were more balanced back then. But Jordan also won six titles without an elite center or a point guard. How many teams can say that?
The NBA has never been balanced bruh. LeBron has never had an elite center and only had an elite pg that played no defense for one championship.
Being a top 5 pick doesn't make you a good player. Tristan Thompson is not and never has been a top player.Yes, the Western conference was pretty balanced back in the 90s- Jazz, Rockets, Suns, Spurs, Sonics, all had their stars and were competitive; not loaded.
Irving's shot won him a championship so I'd be a little more generous in the description of Irving.
Ray Allen's shot saved Lebron as well in his second championship. In reality, the only title where he was clearly the man was 2012.
Lebron certainly played with more talent than MJ did.
MJ- 91-93 run- Pippen, Grant
MJ 96-98- Pippen, Rodman
Bron-12, 13- Bosh, Wade, Allen
Bron 15-Irving, Love, Thompson- that's three top pick fives to go along with Lebron (#1 in 2003).
Lebron is great. I think he's top two or three probably ever but the attempts to put him above MJ are ridiculous.
Lmao. So much wrong in this post. Also, talent pool was very very weak in 90s tooYes, the Western conference was pretty balanced back in the 90s- Jazz, Rockets, Suns, Spurs, Sonics, all had their stars and were competitive; not loaded.
Irving's shot won him a championship so I'd be a little more generous in the description of Irving.
Ray Allen's shot saved Lebron as well in his second championship. In reality, the only title where he was clearly the man was 2012.
Lebron certainly played with more talent than MJ did.
MJ- 91-93 run- Pippen, Grant
MJ 96-98- Pippen, Rodman
Bron-12, 13- Bosh, Wade, Allen
Bron 15-Irving, Love, Thompson- that's three top pick fives to go along with Lebron (#1 in 2003).
Lebron is great. I think he's top two or three probably ever but the attempts to put him above MJ are ridiculous.
Golden State is better than any team MJ ever faced in Finals
Yes he does
What's funny is Green was a 2nd round pick, Thompson went #10, Curry went #7, etcBeing a top 5 pick doesn't make you a good player. Tristan Thompson is not and never has been a top player.
That's what happens when you're desperate to slight Lebron.What's funny is Green was a 2nd round pick, Thompson went #10, Curry went #7, etc
Saying that just because a player went top 5 means he's a great player in NBA is saying that Okafor or Anthony Bennett are great NBA Players
So now you are going straight from talent of teams they faced to "flopping". You sure that you aren't 12. Jesus christ. If he doesn't flop, he is going to try treated like Shaq didIrrelevant. Look at these gifs. 44 total of Lebron flops. Some funny chit. If anything, this nonsense seperates Jordan from her majesty. Embarrassing really.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302139
What's funny is Green was a 2nd round pick, Thompson went #10, Curry went #7, etc
Saying that just because a player went top 5 means he's a great player in NBA is saying that Okafor or Anthony Bennett are great NBA Players
Lmao. So much wrong in this post. Also, talent pool was very very weak in 90s too
NBA has always have top 2-4 teams and everybody else.
Ya man, because 1 shot erase the rest of the 7 games and means you weren't the man in the series. Lmao. LeBron had the best finals of all time in 2016 and you are saying he wasn't the man because Kyrie hit one shot to win the game
Being a top 5 picks means nothing in whether you are good in NBA.
Trying to use Tristan Thompson as reason LeBron had more talent. Green was a 2nd round pick, Klay went #10, Curry went #7 so my god what a terrible argument.
He's KingOfHotTakeFailures.Lmao. So much wrong in this post. Also, talent pool was very very weak in 90s too
NBA has always have top 2-4 teams and everybody else.
Ya man, because 1 shot erase the rest of the 7 games and means you weren't the man in the series. Lmao. LeBron had the best finals of all time in 2016 and you are saying he wasn't the man because Kyrie hit one shot to win the game
Being a top 5 picks means nothing in whether you are good in NBA.
Trying to use Tristan Thompson as reason LeBron had more talent. Green was a 2nd round pick, Klay went #10, Curry went #7 so my god what a terrible argument.
He's KingOfHotTakeFailures.
This isn't the only topic where he makes ridiculous, convoluted, absurdly stacked-deck arguments.
(Remind him what the Bulls record was in 93-94, BTW)
I grew up with Jordan. I'd have a hard time ever saying LeBron is "better". But I also think that, as you get separated by longer stretches of time, comparisons like that become more and more useless. Anyone who tries to diminish what Jordan did is a fool. Anyone who tries to diminish what LeBron has done is an equally big fool.
KingOfHotTakeFailure:Yeah, if you want to ignore actual production and how many All-Star games they made.
I know you're fanboying super hard for Lebron so I'll overlook how emotional you're getting and your dismissing of reading comprehension.
Your first point was "The Warriors are tougher than any team Jordan faced in the NBA Finals."
I said, "Yeah, because the west was balanced back then and there wasn't some juggernaut." I didn't say the NBA was balanced because parity has always been the biggest issue in the NBA. I'm saying the winner of the west wasn't going to be some super team put together because that wasn't occurring back then.
I pointed out that Lebron played with more talent than MJ did yet you choose to bring up Anthony Bennett and Tristan Thompson as some "gotcha" posts to follow your "LMAO" "ROTF" nonsense.
Pretty simple with what I was saying- Lebron played with major All Stars in Irving and Love after playing with Wade and Bosh, which were better offensive talent than MJ played with.
And I used the top five pick description for his teammates to show this isn't some 2007 Cavaliers roster argument.
When Jordan retired the Chicago Bulls with "less talent" went from 57 wins to 55 wins. When Lebron left Miami they went from 54 wins to 37 wins. When he left Cleveland, they they went from Eastern Conference Finals to the worst team in the NBA.Yeah, if you want to ignore actual production and how many All-Star games they made.
I know you're fanboying super hard for Lebron so I'll overlook how emotional you're getting and your dismissing of reading comprehension.
Your first point was "The Warriors are tougher than any team Jordan faced in the NBA Finals."
I said, "Yeah, because the west was balanced back then and there wasn't some juggernaut." I didn't say the NBA was balanced because parity has always been the biggest issue in the NBA. I'm saying the winner of the west wasn't going to be some super team put together because that wasn't occurring back then.
I pointed out that Lebron played with more talent than MJ did yet you choose to bring up Anthony Bennett and Tristan Thompson as some "gotcha" posts to follow your "LMAO" "ROTF" nonsense.
Pretty simple with what I was saying- Lebron played with major All Stars in Irving and Love after playing with Wade and Bosh, which were better offensive talent than MJ played with.
And I used the top five pick description for his teammates to show this isn't some 2007 Cavaliers roster argument.
KingOfHotTakeFailure:
93-94 Chicago Bulls: 55-27
KingOfHotTakeFailure:
Toni Kukoc, Ron Harper.
94 Bulls got to Game 7 of the Conference Semi's, KingOfHotTakeFailure. What a terrible showing.Remind of how far the Bulls got in 1994? This is like people trying to compare Tom Brady Pats to the 2008 Matt Cassel Pats
There's nothing in my take that was wrong or warranted your response, which tells me you are upset about me disagreeing with you on another post (my guess is pointing out that you need upperclassmen to compliment star freshmen to win titles and somehow this is "horrible" to you).
I watched both MJ and Lebron. Lebron doesn't pass the eye test at all nor does his finals record.
Ron Harper was a career 20 point a game scorer until he went to the loaded Bulls and had to change his role.And a third seed who got bounced in the conference semi-finals.
You're a child.
Oh, and Ron Harper wasn't on the 1993-1994 Bulls. Next time you want to try and buck up on someone, don't embarrass yourself with being incorrect. And when Harper was with the MJ Bulls, here were his averages.
1995 (Jordan was only back for a little bit)- 6.9 ppg
1996-7.4 ppg
1997-6.3 ppg
1998-9.3 ppg
How is that different than Tristan Thompson type numbers? lol
So now you are going straight from talent of teams they faced to "flopping". You sure that you aren't 12. Jesus christ. If he doesn't flop, he is going to try treated like Shaq did
I'm keenly aware of when Ron Harper played for the Bulls, KingOfHotTakeFailure. You failed to mention him at all, so I don't know why you assume I thought he was on the 93-94 Bulls.And a third seed who got bounced in the conference semi-finals.
You're a child.
Oh, and Ron Harper wasn't on the 1993-1994 Bulls. Next time you want to try and buck up on someone, don't embarrass yourself with being incorrect. And when Harper was with the MJ Bulls, here were his averages.
1995 (Jordan was only back for a little bit)- 6.9 ppg
1996-7.4 ppg
1997-6.3 ppg
1998-9.3 ppg
How is that different than Tristan Thompson type numbers? lol
94 Bulls got to Game 7 of the Conference Semi's, KingOfHotTakeFailure. What a terrible showing.
What is horrible about you, KingOfHotTakeFailure, is that you take absurdly one-sided stances supported by absurdly crafted arguments that dismiss all evidence to the contrary in an utterly absurd manner, and then try to act like it's just you being the more rational person in the argument. Like no one is supposed to notice the way you attempt to load the dice.
Some people notice, KingOfHotTakeFailure.
It's just flat out wrong.LOL.
What do you take issue with exactly? I looked up old interactions between us just to see why you're so emotional and it seems you're upset because I gave Jay Wright credit and pointed out that all freshmen rosters are not successful.
And please, tell me what's so horrible about my take of saying Lebron played with more talent than MJ?
Just to break this down in its simplicity
- You tried to use 1994 as an example to dismiss Jordan's talent/contribution. A year where they got beat in the conference semis after winning the NBA Finals with Jordan the previous year and then winning again with him in his first season back in 1996. So they didn't win a single thing yet this is somehow your "proof."
I'm keenly aware of when Ron Harper played for the Bulls, KingOfHotTakeFailure. You failed to mention him at all, so I don't know why you assume I thought he was on the 93-94 Bulls.
What were Harper's numbers before he joined the Bulls, KingOfHotTakeFailure? Think maybe the decrease had something to do with playing a completely different role?
And a note, KingOfHotTakeFailure: defense is part of basketball.
Scottie Pippen, Ron Harper, Dennis Rodman, circa 1996= premier defensive players.
Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, circa any time you choose= not premier defensive players.
More Hot Takes from the King.How childish are you? If you're an adult, you need counseling and a heavy dose of a male role model because you behave like a child with the wit of a banana.
In reality, the only title where he was clearly the man was 2012.
Lebron certainly played with more talent than MJ did.
No, I was upset because you did the exact same thing in that thread that you're doing here. You put together an insanely one-sided argument that completely diminished all the ways John Calipari has outperformed Jay Wright. Honestly, it was a masterpiece of an attempt to diminish the importance of everything Cal has won.LOL.
What do you take issue with exactly? I looked up old interactions between us just to see why you're so emotional and it seems you're upset because I gave Jay Wright credit and pointed out that all freshmen rosters are not successful.
And please, tell me what's so horrible about my take of saying Lebron played with more talent than MJ?
Just to break this down in its simplicity
- You tried to use 1994 as an example to dismiss Jordan's talent/contribution. A year where they got beat in the conference semis after winning the NBA Finals with Jordan the previous year and then winning again with him in his first season back in 1996. So they didn't win a single thing yet this is somehow your "proof."
Heres how you easily settle the MJ AND LJ debate...
-One always has to have the case made that hes the greatest.
-The other doesnt.
You can decide which is which.
Tristan Thompson, career high averages. 11 points 9 rebounds on the 2013 24-58 Cavs and he was used as an example of the talent Lebron played with.
Jordan didnt play in the hater generation. That has a lot to do with the argument too. Jordan lost in the first round 3 straight years and it's not an issue. Steve Kerr hit a game winner for the Finals and it's not taken as a slight against Jordan. Jordan never beat a championship team in the Finals other than the old Lakers when Kareem retired.Heres how you easily settle the MJ AND LJ debate...
-One always has to have the case made that hes the greatest.
-The other doesnt.
You can decide which is which.
That's as unfair as Durant joining the Warriors.Yeah, but 11 points out of a top 5 pick is really like 25 points. Imagine how good the Cavs would be if they had kept Anthony Bennett. Can you imagine TWO number one picks on the same team?