You know what. I wouldn’t email the things gruden did but I will defend to hell and back his right to say it. It’s not about whether you agree with gruden it’s whether you love freedom and free speech. Let’s look at everyone’s work emails private emails socials etc. no one will have a job it is with out a doubt a witch hunt when you know the nfl which is blatantly mysoginistic, homophobic etc especially in 2012 when the nfl goes after 1 guy.
He used company email to spew garbage. Not sure about your job, but mine would be gone too if I did that. We have rules about using work email in that manner. It wasn't a just a stupid Facebook post on his phone.
He lost his job. He’s not going to prison (unless something comes from the topless photos). Freedom of speech protects you from the government not your employer.
Are you one of his players? Are you one of anyone’s players?
Well look at you. You probably weren’t bothered by the comments because you share some or most of them. And if you think no one on the team was bothered then I don’t know what to tell you. He was in his late 40’s when he wrote those emails. These aren’t from when he was 17 and a dumb kid. And he quit. He didn’t even fight it. He knows he is wrong.
If he lose his job for this then yours is next. I guarantee you there is more damning info in those emails about Snyder and others but not a peep from the nfl leaks. It was a witch hunt and I have a problem with that. Also I just posted a link about the photos. What law did he break? Did he even send them? I only see where Bruce Allen sent them to him. This thread and the media narrative are half truths leading people to ponder whether gruden will go to jail. Lol. These weren’t pic taken unknowingly and to top that they weren’t even taken in the states! First they go for gruden and next will be the guys in the paddock posting what they do.
At least you are man enough to admit you share his thoughts. I’ve been in plenty of locker rooms. It’s called a team for a reason. If you offend my teammates you offend me. I haven’t heard any guys taking up for him. And for the record I doubt he’s any more racist than any other white nan of that age. But he is stupid and arrogant. And it bit him
You are no man if you create strawman and fictional arguments to attack others.
Anyone to take up for him will be vilified and they will go search their emails. Goodell is the gestapo and so are people like you. Like another poster said how do you know the haters if you shut everyone up??? It doesn’t matter in your distorted commie view of how America should be.
My job won’t be next. I don’t send emails disparaging all different kinds of people. If these were Facebook messages or texts it’s different. He was sending these on work email. That’s a problem.
I heard mike Terico taking up for him. Said he never knew him to be racist. Well duh mike. Did you expect him to be racist to you. Of course not. It’s what you do and say when you think no one except the person you are talking to can hear you. That’s called character. Was best man 20 years ago for a buddy. Girls family sang his praises and bragged what a great guy their daughter was marrying. And the groomsmen just laughed knowing how many times he had cheated on her.
No doubt. The religious right citing porn sites is an interesting twist for sure.
Oh my, Ed using an anecdote about a guy he knows to demean the opinion of a man who actually knows Gruden because Ed read an email Gruden wrote. This is the nonsensical world in which we live.
Even if he sent the consensual photo shoot pics what is criminal about that? Stop repeating it. You keep uttering this work email garbage. Who’s work email? He wasn’t working for the nfl. They showed up in the redskins front office emails. He didn’t work for Washington. Espn didn’t do the probe so we don’t know where he sent the emails from. And I promise you if your boss started a probe into your life or anyone on this forum with no statute of limitations they would find some things to run you out over whether you think you said it or not.
The point of the photos is that they weren’t consensual. That’s where the problem could be for Gruden if he sent those out. That’s not hard to understand. The cheerleaders didn’t agree to naked photos of them being shared around the NFL.
yes, I do agree with most of his comments. you and your delicate sensibilities are just gonna have to get some counseling and learn how to deal with that. why are you so offended about his opinions in a private correspondence? I'm offended that you are pretending to be a self righteous respectable man, but you don't hear me complaining about it.
I was specifically referring to the racist aspect of this whole thing, should have been more clear about that. Beyond that, I don't have all the facts for this specific instance, I don't know that any of us do yet. But my point about 'now' being the time for the victims to take advantage of past wrongdoings is 100% correct. There has been no better time to take advantage of perceived injustices against a person individually or as a group. Maybe to say 'no one cared back then' wasn't the right way to phrase it.
I’ll add you to the list of terrible people on here. That list is getting long
That article hints at there being worse emails involved. I think it’s shady that they’re only releasing Gruden’s emails. However, if you trash the commissioner of the NFL in an email and he finds out about it, odds are he’ll try to get you out. If I email my boss calling our CEO all kinds of names and disparaging him I wouldn’t expect to keep my job. Especially if the CEO finds out. That’s just how it is.
I get what you are saying. At the time it wasn’t my business and I didn’t care. And I haven’t been friends with him for many years. He’s been divorced 3 times so he never changed his ways. I grew up, got married, had kids, my priorities changed. Gruden was late 40’s writing the emails. That’s just dumb.
Actually most of those posters confirm daily my opinion of them.
