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John Gruden out as Raiders coach

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I mean Gruden wasn’t even a part of the organization so it’s odd he’s the sacrificial lamb. Have to wonder if Mark Davis called in a favor.

No. This has Hoodell's fingerprints all over it. Could you imagine if he said anything bad about Jerry Jones? Might have just missed the bus to the airport after a game and never been seen again
 
Exactly. Funny how they didn't publicly release anything, except one set of emails sure made their way public.

Noone says those emails weren't awful. There's just way more to the story when only one piece of information from 10 years ago magically happens to see the light of day.

I'm sure those personal remarks about the commish had no impact on that at all....

And I just saw a story that said the emails started 10yrs ago, but continued through 2018. No idea if it's true or not
 
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No. This has Hoodell's fingerprints all over it. Could you imagine if he said anything bad about Jerry Jones? Might have just missed the bus to the airport after a game and never been seen again
You’re probably right. Attacking Goodell didn’t do him any favors. I just wonder if the Raiders we’re trying to get out of that absurd contract.
 
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This is super shady. Can’t imagine Gruden’s emails were even close to the worst they found.

This reeks... bad.

Almost as much as if the nfl plead ignorance when they'd somehow helped hundreds or thousands of people to not avoid devastating head injuries and their long term effects. Pushing it off on helmet manufacturers...
 
You’re probably right. Attacking Goodell didn’t do him any favors. I just wonder if the Raiders we’re trying to get out of that absurd contract.

Spurred on in part by the possibility that Meyer might be done with the Jags sooner rather than later? I can see the sales pitch now...

"You want side chicks? Vegas got side chicks and you won't have to hear about it out here."

Adulterous relationship that was meant to be...
 
Last I checked, Dave Chappelle got to say what he wanted to say, never got any of his specials removed from Netflix (except when he requested it because he wasn't getting paid because of licensing), and never lost a paycheck over the comments he's made. Just because someone complains doesn't mean they got canceled.

Dave went with the party line enough that he’s semi-protected for now. Wasn’t long ago they were praising him as a worthy warrior in the corporate leftist world and media.

He gets too close again, or says the wrong thing in their direction, he’s gone.

Identity politics are not meant to bring down bad people, they are meant to attack the opposition. It’s people like you that allow this sort of thing to happen by buying into party tactics.

Im not going to get into much in this thread because there’s no point. I just wanted to say that learning to not be mean to one another, being respectful of all people, and learning to live together in harmony is not the point of the nastiest modern political tactic we’ve seen in 50 years, identity politics are used to brainwash, outcast opposition, and win.
 
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We're not just talking about Jon Gruden's issue here only. What about all the comedians who now have subjects that are now off-limits to them (see Dave Chappelle), it's only a matter of time before that bleeds over into music, movies, etc. Goya Foods was boycotted because the CEO did nothing more than praise Donald Trump. Washington/Lincoln/Jefferson all had their names removed from public schools in San Francisco for "ties to racism" and "dishonorable legacies" for no other reason than they were a product of their time.

You can't apply the thinking today to things that happened in the past or even distant past, people at that time did not think the same way they do now. To me, cancel culture does exist. Maybe not in Jon Grudens case, but there are many instances of the punishment not fitting the crime. We've just made it so much easier wreck someone's life. Nowadays if someone has a differing opinion with someone else we just throw the entire person away with little thought to it, "Oh well, f&*k'em!" Sorry, I think people's lives are worth more than that. People should be allowed to mess up and be given a chance to redeem themselves. If they aren't being given the chance to do that, it's called Cancel Culture.
No one is saying people can’t and shouldn’t be redeemed. They can face consequences and still be redeemed. Hopefully, it’s the catalyst that causes them to evaluate. That being said, I agree people are too sensitive but also people need to be willing to call out abhorrent behavior. Right now there is too much either throwing the person away or defending deplorable things. Just like this country; it’s either all the way left or all the way right. Either leads to destruction. Working together, moderation and forgiveness and redemption are the path to healing for everyone.
 
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How many players do they keep in the league with domestic violence and drug charges while they’re firing someone for making comments about a grown man’s lips in 2011? I stopped caring about the nfl a few years ago and this is a big reason why.
I can't figure out why they don't let the white Coaches call the black players the N word. Gays, well Gruden covered both those topics in his email, and that's inappropriate? Satire btw
 
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easy for you to say sitting behind a keyboard. What if some people started looking into your past and nitpicked every single thing you've ever said in your life to find something to Cancel You from your job and your life?

I guess you're probably a Twitter fan too.
I have written literally thousand of work emails. Never once have I been racist, homophobic, mysoginist. What's wrong with me?
 
that hint and threat is called blackmail by the letter of the law. There’s going to be a backlash against the nfl if any legal issue exists it’s in that hint as you refer to it. Quit/fire or we release more. Look I don’t agree with what gruden did it’s stupid but what’s worse is the rhetoric and threats toward him if he didn’t quit.
Are you a prosecuting or defense attorney?
 
Bucs will remove Grudens name from The Ring of Honor.

Ray Lewis literally murdered a guy though.
First off, one has nothing to do with the other. That’s the definition of a straw man argument. Secondly, you have no idea what happened with Ray Lewis. I’m not saying I do either but we know exactly what Gruden did, it’s on email.
 
Dave went with the party line enough that he’s semi-protected for now. Wasn’t long ago they were praising him as a worthy warrior in the corporate leftist world and media.

He gets too close again, or says the wrong thing in their direction, he’s gone.

Identity politics are not meant to bring down bad people, they are meant to attack the opposition. It’s people like you that allow this sort of thing to happen by buying into party tactics.

Im not going to get into much in this thread because there’s no point. I just wanted to say that learning to not be mean to one another, being respectful of all people, and learning to live together in harmony is not the point of the nastiest modern political tactic we’ve seen in 50 years, identity politics are used to brainwash, outcast opposition, and win.
The thing with cancel culture for someone like Chappelle is he can only be canceled if he lets them. He’s a comedian. He has no boss. People will flock to his shows if he stands up to the noise, which I suspect he will.
 
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That’s awesome man. Thank you for saying that. We’ve all made mistakes and admitting you made them in the past shows maturity. I apologize for jumping to a conclusion.
I realized that any type of racism is morally wrong. It does nothing but denigrate the soul and angers God. The homophobic comments I had to address because it’s wrong to denigrate others born with a disposition.

I think we all have prejudices and biases we’d like to say we don’t have—but do. That’s why always balk at anyone who claims they don’t have “ a racist bone in their body”.
 
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I think we all have prejudices and biases we’d like to say we don’t have—but do. That’s why always balk at anyone who claims they don’t have “ a racist bone in their body”.
This is why I loved Stephen Colbert when he was on Comedy Central. Anytime he would have a black guest he'd say "I don't see race. You say you're black, I believe you." Always cracked me up.

I have not enjoyed his work since he left Comedy Central.
 
Last I checked, Dave Chappelle got to say what he wanted to say, never got any of his specials removed from Netflix (except when he requested it because he wasn't getting paid because of licensing), and never lost a paycheck over the comments he's made. Just because someone complains doesn't mean they got canceled.
We'll just agree to disagree. But I promise I won't throw you away just because you have a different opinion than I do.
 
I can't figure out why they don't let the white Coaches call the black players the N word. Gays, well Gruden covered both those topics in his email, and that's inappropriate? Satire

Ah. The ol’ hyperbolic sarcasm. The cornerstone of any liberal talking point.
 
Didn’t say it was right (it wasn’t). It was wrong
Unfortunately, you're the only honest person to post in this thread. Compliments to you sir for admitting. Seriously. Its going to be a long ass fall when some of these saints in here fall off their high horse.
 
I hope Washington gets a ton of heat and forces some pressure on them to be more transparent. Dan Snyder and other top executives need to be held accountable for how they’ve run that organization. The intern sales associate will probably be the one who takes the fall for playing Tetris on his lunch hour.

If you’re going to take down Gruden, who wasn’t even a Washington employee, I think it’s ridiculous to say nothing else will get released. Not even hiding it’s a hit job on Gruden. No matter how dumb Gruden was.
 
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I hope Washington gets a ton of heat and forces some pressure on them to be more transparent. Dan Snyder and other top executives need to be held accountable for how they’ve run that organization. The intern sales associate will probably be the one who takes the fall for playing Tetris on his lunch hour.

If you’re going to take down Gruden, who wasn’t even a Washington employee, I think it’s ridiculous to say nothing else will get released. Not even hiding it’s a hit job on Gruden. No matter how dumb Gruden was.
They'll first have to find someone richer than Snyder for the other owners to agree to throw him out. Basically a do-over of the Panthers sale when Jerry Richardson was forced out.
 
you’re stretching big time. The redskins took those photos and shared them. Gruden had nothing to do with it. There’s no law preventing him from forwarding what that organization sent to him.
He didn't get fired for breaking the law, he got fired for being an ass.
 
Did Gruden do the wrong thing? Yes.

Is he very stupid for doing it with company email? Very much so. Like holy hell dude.

Are there folks in the NFL guilty or worse? Yes. Absolutely. I’m looking at you DW (but still innocent until proven guilty, cause America).

So a lot of people are wondering why he is being “cancelled” before all these other folks who are guilty of actually being violent towards women and things like that. Well the answer is simple…….it’s because of threads like this. In 2021 this is a hot button topic all over the internet. I’m not saying anyone is wrong for talking about it, but just know that talking about it is what breathes life into “cancellations”. These stories generate clicks, ad revenue for websites, views for YouTubers, etc.

In the old days of media it was scandalous affairs perpetrated by high level celebrities and government leaders. That’s what used to move the needle, but we have gotten bored with that. It’s the way of the world. We live in a new day wrought with self righteousness. Kinda the same as the old days that were wrought with self righteousness, but now with fresh topics.

There have always been people who say things like Gruden said in his emails and those people have always sucked. They will continue to suck. But I do feel like society’s extreme condemnation may be more valuable if directed towards the villains who tend to actually be violent towards their fellow man/woman.

Gruden did the right thing by stepping down and he needs to do some soul-searching. I’m not defending his actions. I just wish our reaction to his ignorance was a little less enthusiastic. I’d like to see the bright spotlight put on those who beat up their spouses and commit violent crimes. I think they get off way too easy.

I officially have insomnia. I can’t believe I typed that much and I fully expect no one to read it. It was by my own doing. Goodnight. I hope.
 
We're not just talking about Jon Gruden's issue here only. What about all the comedians who now have subjects that are now off-limits to them (see Dave Chappelle), it's only a matter of time before that bleeds over into music, movies, etc. Goya Foods was boycotted because the CEO did nothing more than praise Donald Trump. Washington/Lincoln/Jefferson all had their names removed from public schools in San Francisco for "ties to racism" and "dishonorable legacies" for no other reason than they were a product of their time.

You can't apply the thinking today to things that happened in the past or even distant past, people at that time did not think the same way they do now. To me, cancel culture does exist. Maybe not in Jon Grudens case, but there are many instances of the punishment not fitting the crime. We've just made it so much easier wreck someone's life. Nowadays if someone has a differing opinion with someone else we just throw the entire person away with little thought to it, "Oh well, f&*k'em!" Sorry, I think people's lives are worth more than that. People should be allowed to mess up and be given a chance to redeem themselves. If they aren't being given the chance to do that, it's called Cancel Culture.
Do you really think a coach could command respect in a locker room with homosexual players when he has made comments about homosexuals in general, calling them slurs and calling other people slurs for putting up with the homosexual lifestyle, the whole time expecting a player to go out on the field and play for him? How about the racial jokes? He could not keep that locker room. That is why he had to go. Did you see Randy Moss on Sunday? A guy that loved him, crying realizing his true colors. People that think a few gay jokes here and there or a few racists jokes here and there don't define you, don't manage a team full of African American guys and homosexual guys. Times have changed. Everyone on this board that thinks it is OK to make black jokes and gay jokes are not qualified to be a head coach in the NFL. I'm not saying I haven't made bad jokes, but I don't manage those guys.
 
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I think the effects of cancel culture are entirely overblown, both by those who loathe it and those who seem to think it makes even a hint of a difference. It's merely one more thing to bitch about when seemingly everyone is looking for another reason.

Getting 'canceled' only occurs if you allow it to. If you lack the ability to say 'hey that was pretty messed up what I did', I've got no sympathy for ya. If you're an adult and don't grasp this concept, then I'm not entirely sure what to say. Using slurs isn't a difference of opinion, it's outright disgusting. And I say that as someone who HAS used them and owns up to that fact.

Simultaneously, I'm exceptionally over how everyone has to give their opinion on everything in the loudest, most dramatic way possible. It does not matter what I think about Gruden's words. I've never met the man and have zero relationship with him. But I also don't need Twitter to actually have an opinion and move any potential support elsewhere. I've done it in other instances and I'd do it again. If you ask me what it's REALLY about, it's people knowing they won't ACTUALLY do something that makes a difference and instead scream about it to get internet points, just like the vast majority of people who complained about players kneeling yet still watch those teams/sports in general. Has nothing to do with the issue and everything to do with appearances.

Nothing is 'in the past now'. Our entire lives are on record. The alarming thing to me is the sheer number of people who refuse to own up to their mistakes when they come to light. And also the sheer number of people who think famous/rich people are somehow saints to the point they're flabergasted when stuff like this comes out.
 
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Unfortunately, you're the only honest person to post in this thread. Compliments to you sir for admitting. Seriously. Its going to be a long ass fall when some of these saints in here fall off their high horse.
Thanks, man. I’m still an ass, and definitely no saint.
 
...that owns a computer and works. They probably should have said that

I also do both of those things. But if I've had a conversation, it's only ever been text, IM, phone call, or face to face. What kind of weirdo has an email conversation?
 
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