John Gruden out as Raiders coach

[T-Train5656]

My friend is on the coaching staff for the Raiders. I texted him Sunday. He told me "Gruden spoke with the team and addressed the email. The team listened him and some of the players were receptive to his apology." He then goes on to tell me, several players texted him asking if there was more to the emails.

Fast forward to Monday morning. I texted him again and got a response. "After the other emails came out, he completely lost the locker room"

He said Gruden could have survived this if it was just the one email about Smith. He loved working for Gruden and this coach is also African American.

 

[Deli owl]

My personal feelings:
1. If I don't know a person, they have little to no affect on my life.
2. People are overly sensitive in todays society. No one can say much to offend me as I simply don't put much I'm portance in other peoples opinion unless it affects my job or family.
3. If you don't like someone, don't go around them. ( I do this one a lot)

This life is pretty easy.

 

[JC CATS]

Ah. The ol’ hyperbolic sarcasm. The cornerstone of any liberal talking point.

A 9 year homophobic, racist, misogynists' emails from that pos is hyperbole? Look in the mirror

 

[JC CATS]

Did I say that?

If you did research you would have seen it was between 2010-2018, so no it wasn't 10 years ago either

 

[The-Hack]

Are you saying you want to see naked pictures of JB?

Mmmm.

I can think of some JB’s I’d look at!

 

[playmorezeppelin]

If

A 9 year homophobic, racist, misogynists' emails from that pos is hyperbole? Look in the mirror

if you don’t know what hyperbole means it’s ok

 

[JC CATS]

If


if you don’t know what hyperbole means it’s ok

I think you don't know what hyperbole is...

 

[K_TIME]

My friend is on the coaching staff for the Raiders. I texted him Sunday. He told me "Gruden spoke with the team and addressed the email. The team listened him and some of the players were receptive to his apology." He then goes on to tell me, several players texted him asking if there was more to the emails.

Fast forward to Monday morning. I texted him again and got a response. "After the other emails came out, he completely lost the locker room"

He said Gruden could have survived this if it was just the one email about Smith. He loved working for Gruden and this coach is also African American.

I don't doubt your information....but some things are hard to understand in terms of "losing the locker room".

- The comment about DeMaurice Smiths' lips....for a room of 20 year old men that may have been 70% black...I can see where that comment might not sit well with many...especially in today's race charged society.
- But does anyone think the other emails really bothered the locker room at all?
a. Calling the president Biden a clueless pu$$y? Does that language really bother 2 year old athletes...especially when it's at a white president?
b. Calling the commissioner a fa$%*? So there is a homophobic term....but again I ask is that really offensive to 20 year old athletes ...also the commissioner is a white man that isn't all that popular in the league.

Firing Gruden...fine and this is more about accountabilty to leadership than it is about cancel culture. But if this stuff is so offensive, I can't see a world where super bowl is going to put Snoop, Dr. Dre and Eminem on a stage together. Those three are about as homophobic, mysgonistic, etc... as you can find in today's world.

 

[WildcatofNati]

I don't doubt your information....but some things are hard to understand in terms of "losing the locker room".

- The comment about DeMaurice Smiths' lips....for a room of 20 year old men that may have been 70% black...I can see where that comment might not sit well with many...especially in today's race charged society.
- But does anyone think the other emails really bothered the locker room at all?
a. Calling the president Biden a clueless pu$$y? Does that language really bother 2 year old athletes...especially when it's at a white president?
b. Calling the commissioner a fa$%*? So there is a homophobic term....but again I ask is that really offensive to 20 year old athletes ...also the commissioner is a white man that isn't all that popular in the league.

Firing Gruden...fine and this is more about accountabilty to leadership than it is about cancel culture. But if this stuff is so offensive, I can't see a world where super bowl is going to put Snoop, Dr. Dre and Eminem on a stage together. Those three are about as homophobic, mysgonistic, etc... as you can find in today's world.

Good points. What might have upset the players is if Gruden told them that it was going to be over, etc, and then everything else comes out later. Loss of credibility.

 

[rqarnold]

easy for you to say sitting behind a keyboard. What if some people started looking into your past and nitpicked every single thing you've ever said in your life to find something to Cancel You from your job and your life?

I guess you're probably a Twitter fan too.

Spoken like someone who really doesn’t want anyone to examine their past comments.

It’s one thing to make verbal comments to another individual. It’s far different to type them into your work email and hit the send button. You are revealing your character, or lack thereof to the people you’re asked to lead and work.

 

[rqarnold]

We disagree on that, even thought I can't prove it. See my previous post about software looking for key words. I don't believe for a second that they didn't have that technology.

Having the technology and using it are two different things. Using it makes you liable and actionable for what is found. The NFL has a history of hiding information that isn’t flattering or could be troublesome for the league. They are likely bracing themselves against more such revelations and scheming ways to keep it out of the public eye.

 

[Ed323232]

I don't doubt your information....but some things are hard to understand in terms of "losing the locker room".

- The comment about DeMaurice Smiths' lips....for a room of 20 year old men that may have been 70% black...I can see where that comment might not sit well with many...especially in today's race charged society.
- But does anyone think the other emails really bothered the locker room at all?
a. Calling the president Biden a clueless pu$$y? Does that language really bother 2 year old athletes...especially when it's at a white president?
b. Calling the commissioner a fa$%*? So there is a homophobic term....but again I ask is that really offensive to 20 year old athletes ...also the commissioner is a white man that isn't all that popular in the league.

Firing Gruden...fine and this is more about accountabilty to leadership than it is about cancel culture. But if this stuff is so offensive, I can't see a world where super bowl is going to put Snoop, Dr. Dre and Eminem on a stage together. Those three are about as homophobic, mysgonistic, etc... as you can find in today's world.

Why do you get to decide what bothers another person? You don’t. Go watch randy moss and see if you think it bothered him.

 

[JDHoss]

My thoughts?

* Gruden is a bigoted asshole.

* Gruden is a rock stupid bigoted asshole for using company email to express his bigoted views.

* Everyone here has done something similar to Gruden? No. In over 30 years of using company email/internet/IM/Skype/cell phones, I never once sent any communications that would be considered inappropriate in even the slightest way. I'm guessing I'm not the only one here, and FWIW, I'm not a "saint".

* Personal/private email? I can't think of any. Hell, I've had an email account since the mid 90's and I probably haven't sent a dozen personal emails for communication purposes with people I know. I always call/text/IM people I want to talk to.

 

[Nbacats]

I don't doubt your information....but some things are hard to understand in terms of "losing the locker room".

- The comment about DeMaurice Smiths' lips....for a room of 20 year old men that may have been 70% black...I can see where that comment might not sit well with many...especially in today's race charged society.
- But does anyone think the other emails really bothered the locker room at all?
a. Calling the president Biden a clueless pu$$y? Does that language really bother 2 year old athletes...especially when it's at a white president?
b. Calling the commissioner a fa$%*? So there is a homophobic term....but again I ask is that really offensive to 20 year old athletes ...also the commissioner is a white man that isn't all that popular in the league.

Firing Gruden...fine and this is more about accountabilty to leadership than it is about cancel culture. But if this stuff is so offensive, I can't see a world where super bowl is going to put Snoop, Dr. Dre and Eminem on a stage together. Those three are about as homophobic, mysgonistic, etc... as you can find in today's world.

The Raiders have a pretty well liked and well supported gay player in Carl Nassib. I think it's a well-educated guess to say that those comments didn't sit well in that locker room, especially given how Nassib has been personally effected by the comments.

 

[T-Train5656]

I don't doubt your information....but some things are hard to understand in terms of "losing the locker room".

- The comment about DeMaurice Smiths' lips....for a room of 20 year old men that may have been 70% black...I can see where that comment might not sit well with many...especially in today's race charged society.
- But does anyone think the other emails really bothered the locker room at all?
a. Calling the president Biden a clueless pu$$y? Does that language really bother 2 year old athletes...especially when it's at a white president?
b. Calling the commissioner a fa$%*? So there is a homophobic term....but again I ask is that really offensive to 20 year old athletes ...also the commissioner is a white man that isn't all that popular in the league.

Firing Gruden...fine and this is more about accountabilty to leadership than it is about cancel culture. But if this stuff is so offensive, I can't see a world where super bowl is going to put Snoop, Dr. Dre and Eminem on a stage together. Those three are about as homophobic, mysgonistic, etc... as you can find in today's world.

The information is from a coach on the staff. It is about as close as you can get from an information stand point.

There were players who thought when Gruden spoke to them about this, were not getting the full story from him. As later in the day and more emails came out, that is when the perception of him completely change in the locker room and he lost them.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

- The comment about DeMaurice Smiths' lips....for a room of 20 year old men that may have been 70% black...I can see where that comment might not sit well with many...especially in today's race charged society.

Our culture is obsessed with race. If we were not so, that comment would be no different than frustratingly commenting about a bald head, big nose, or odd shaped ears. We know this, because if an African-American commented in a frustrated way about the man and commented on his big lips, it would at worst be seen as silly. But, race is sadly defining in our culture right now.

 

[Girthang]

I also do both of those things. But if I've had a conversation, it's only ever been text, IM, phone call, or face to face. What kind of weirdo has an email conversation?

Ah. Someone that doesn't work a cash register at Dollar Tree.

It's pretty hilarious that someone can't understand there is little to no difference between having a conversation by email or having one by text or IM. The difference is you can get a time stamp of delivery and when it has been read when sent by email. When someone works in a professional field and deals with contracts or other legal issues, they understand this.

 

[Gromcat]

Ah. Someone that doesn't work a cash register at Dollar Tree.

It's pretty hilarious that someone can't understand there is little to no difference between having a conversation by email or having one by text or IM. The difference is you can get a time stamp of delivery and when it has been read when sent by email. When someone works in a professional field and deals with contracts or other legal issues, they understand this.

Um yeeeeea

I have conversations by email constantly. Today’s email system for professional jobs is nothing more than text messaging in another format. Threads and all.

I’ve got email threads that go back 2 years with no greetings or anything. Just “hey what’s up!”

You can tell a lot by this thread.

 

[3632]

A 9 year homophobic, racist, misogynists' emails from that pos is hyperbole? Look in the mirror

A 9 year homophobic, racist, misogynists' emails from that pos is hyperbole? Look in the mirror

I will reiterate something I said in a post in the middle of this whole thread...I don't have interest in defending Gruden. What he did was dumb and I can't understand personally communicating that way. What I am interested in is the motivation for the NFL wanting to oust him. Or in a broader sense the selective nature of the twitter and media mob crowd's interest or the new corporate pacification of those mobs.

As I'm sure has been pointed out as an easy quick comparable, the NFL has hired Ice Cube, Snoop, Dre, Eminem, etc...to perform at halftime of the Super Bowl. I grew up when those guys were making their names and I listened to some of their music. That music still streams today. I am not advocating they be kicked off of the super bowl. But I am curious as to why the NFL as an organization is good with that decision but is dying to leak Gruden emails to put pressure on the Raiders to force him out. Or why some people are interested in selective enforcement of "we can't stand for this". Their historical music catalogs are littered with lyrics that can't be deemed anything other than homophobic, misogynistic, and racist if Gruden has been and it's much more egregious.

 

[Lempface]

easy for you to say sitting behind a keyboard. What if some people started looking into your past and nitpicked every single thing you've ever said in your life to find something to Cancel You from your job and your life?

I guess you're probably a Twitter fan too.

"nitpicking" lmao bro

 

[Gromcat]

My favorite part of this?

That the “omg you’re a bigot” crowd actually thinks NFL players give a damn about gay slurs.

Lol, y’all enjoy Eminem and Dre at the halftime show. Maybe he will use his lyrics of the “past” and you can hear about climbing up flagpoles with Elton.

This country gets any dumber and I’m telling y’all, nobody’s gonna eat.

 

[DCFseattle]

Ah. Someone that doesn't work a cash register at Dollar Tree.

It's pretty hilarious that someone can't understand there is little to no difference between having a conversation by email or having one by text or IM. The difference is you can get a time stamp of delivery and when it has been read when sent by email. When someone works in a professional field and deals with contracts or other legal issues, they understand this.

Um yeeeeea

I have conversations by email constantly. Today’s email system for professional jobs is nothing more than text messaging in another format. Threads and all.

I’ve got email threads that go back 2 years with no greetings or anything. Just “hey what’s up!”

You can tell a lot by this thread.

The 50+ Mitch Bernhardt audience.
Nobody emails.

I don't feel so old now, thanks guys.

 

[CatGotMyTongue]

I guess I may be more “woke” than some on here, this still makes me angry—and at that horrible Rochester mayor

Appellate court affirms that WHEC firing of Jeremy Kappell over racist slur was proper

Jeremy Kappell, a WHEC-TV meteorologist who lost his job for a racial slur while on air, has again lost his legal challenges against his former employer.

www.democratandchronicle.com

 

[Gromcat]

The 50+ Mitch Bernhardt audience.
Nobody emails.

I don't feel so old now, thanks guys.

Im barely in my 30’s. Pretty good stuff there.

 

[Cawood86]

It’s laughable that some of you are trying to defend this guy right now. I actually enjoyed Gruden quite a bit before all this, but to send this kinda shit over a work email is an all time f*** up.

He had a 10 year/100 mil contract and people are decrying woke culture over this? Give me a break. He has no business staying in the league and none of the players would have wanted to play for him. It’s over and he cost himself a LOT of money.

Does it mean all the players with records and domestic violence charges are going to be released as well? If not, then this is hypocrisy.

 

[Cawood86]

Imagine defending Gruden here.

I’ve sent all of zero racist and homophobic emails from my work account. There’s dumb and then there’s this shit.

NFL Players Arrested for Domestic Violence

Which NFL players were arrested for domestic violence? As much as people love the NFL, one of the biggest problems that the league has faced over the years is that its players are more likely, at least publicly, to commit domestic violence. Maybe it's a consequence of the violent nature of the...

www.ranker.com

 

[Gromcat]

Does it mean all the players with records and domestic violence charges are going to be released as well? If not, then this is hypocrisy.

Are you trying to say a guy that said something about someone’s lips and called Biden a p**** is actually not as bad as a guy trying to break down a woman’s door, a guy beating women, a guy nearly killing a woman?

 

[Cawood86]

How about his players? Do they count? Would you want to play for a guy like that? Not me.

How about playing "with" a guy like this....that's ok though?

Tyreek Hill's timeline of trouble: From a domestic violence arrest in college to Sophie Hall lawsuit with Dolphins | Sporting News

Tyreek Hill's timeline of trouble: From a domestic violence arrest in college to Sophie Hall lawsuit with Dolphins

www.sportingnews.com

 

[Cawood86]

Are you trying to say a guy that said something about someone’s lips and called Biden a p**** is actually not as bad as a guy trying to break down a woman’s door, a guy beating women, a guy nearly killing a woman?

Yep....crazy huh?

 

[Cawood86]

I heard mike Terico taking up for him. Said he never knew him to be racist. Well duh mike. Did you expect him to be racist to you. Of course not. It’s what you do and say when you think no one except the person you are talking to can hear you. That’s called character. Was best man 20 years ago for a buddy. Girls family sang his praises and bragged what a great guy their daughter was marrying. And the groomsmen just laughed knowing how many times he had cheated on her.

Not surprising you would be friends with someone like that

 

[Cawood86]

There are not many people who call Gruden a racist who are truly interested to know whether he REALLY is a racist. Ed, in this very thread, dismissed Mike Tirico’s opinion that is based on Tirico’s actual relationship. Ed would rather suggest that Tirico just does not understand as much as Ed, the guy that read an email. Well, Mike read that email TOO. So, is there something about Mike that Ed thinks makes Mike not able to discern what Ed can discern?? Tony Dungy and Mike Tirico are getting raked by the Eds of the world that evidently know better.

MSN

Ed is virtue signal all star perpetually offended by everything and his takes are the dumbest on this board.
Nobody is defending what Gruden said, that I know of, but the hypocrisy of the NFL having criminals playing in their league is the problem. Thought police run wild, a guy who beat his pregnant girlfriend is fine, a guy who sent dumb e-mails is not.
If you can't see the difference and understand the difference, then you are part of the problem.

 

[Cawood86]

Why do you get to decide what bothers another person? You don’t. Go watch randy moss and see if you think it bothered him.

Ha ha....yeah Randy Moss has never done anything as bad as what Gruden did

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/vikings-randy-moss-arrested-1.311396

Moss Arrested on Domestic Battery Charge

ST. ALBANS, W.Va. (AP) _ Marshall wide receiver Randy Moss was arrested Sunday on misdemeanor charges of domestic battery, police said.

apnews.com

 

[DCFseattle]

Im barely in my 30’s. Pretty good stuff there.

And I believe you.

 

[Gromcat]

And I believe you.

I appreciate you.

 

[IdaCat]

Ed is virtue signal all star perpetually offended by everything and his takes are the dumbest on this board.
Nobody is defending what Gruden said, that I know of, but the hypocrisy of the NFL having criminals playing in their league is the problem. Thought police run wild, a guy who beat his pregnant girlfriend is fine, a guy who sent dumb e-mails is not.
If you can't see the difference and understand the difference, then you are part of the problem.

Cawood, you're wasting your breath. This self-righteous virtue signaling mob dgaf about real violence. It's all about PC. PC. PC is what controls and directs their outrage. And the targets are all identified and conveniently placed in their cross hairs as needed. If it's not part of PC doctrine, it's ignored.

 

[Gromcat]

Cawood, you're wasting your breath. This self-righteous virtue signaling mob dgaf about real violence. It's all about PC. PC. PC is what controls and directs their outrage. And the targets are all identified and conveniently placed in their cross hairs as needed. If it's not part of PC doctrine, it's ignored.

In their defense, it’s really not as much about political correctness as it is propaganda. I could easily see a day where algorithms are in place to root out anything racial or insensitive someone has said and they could end up standing trial for it. It’s already happening is certain parts of the world.

The guys who want more of that based off of modern notions of acceptable speech will suffer the consequences when the climate shifts and the shoe is in the other foot. They can’t be 100% right in future acceptability. Good examples are wedge issues like abortion. The pro life tent is growing according to every respectable measure, and the alternative to what’s becoming an acceptable position is murder. The same people pushing this type of action could be seen as a murderer in 2100. We really don’t know. It’s a safe bet that they will if pro life positions increase another 15%. And looking at the progressive nature of how we’re shifting morally, it’s not only feasible but probable. A modern society which accepts science will probably not be able to continue to abort children, regardless of whether someone agrees or not that it is murder. And woman are becoming increasingly more likely to call it murder than not.

There are other positions which could Crete a massive shift. We’re still in that post WW2 era which has enabled a sort of an anti-racism political ground and it will only culminate negatively from there.

The best thing to do is to not call each other murderers, or racists, or any other measure or deplorability. I think a word that is missing in today’s societal vocabulary is grace. No one has an ounce of class or grace in how they handle these types of things anymore.

 

[NamelessOne]

Has UL called yet?

 

[JC CATS]

I will reiterate something I said in a post in the middle of this whole thread...I don't have interest in defending Gruden. What he did was dumb and I can't understand personally communicating that way. What I am interested in is the motivation for the NFL wanting to oust him. Or in a broader sense the selective nature of the twitter and media mob crowd's interest or the new corporate pacification of those mobs.

As I'm sure has been pointed out as an easy quick comparable, the NFL has hired Ice Cube, Snoop, Dre, Eminem, etc...to perform at halftime of the Super Bowl. I grew up when those guys were making their names and I listened to some of their music. That music still streams today. I am not advocating they be kicked off of the super bowl. But I am curious as to why the NFL as an organization is good with that decision but is dying to leak Gruden emails to put pressure on the Raiders to force him out. Or why some people are interested in selective enforcement of "we can't stand for this". Their historical music catalogs are littered with lyrics that can't be deemed anything other than homophobic, misogynistic, and racist if Gruden has been and it's much more egregious.

Hired those people or contracted them out for 1 halftime show or ad?

 

[Nbacats]

The pro life tent is growing according to every respectable measure.

The % of people polling as pro life has fluctuated between 48-46% over the last four years.

'Pro-Choice' or 'Pro-Life' Demographic Table

Americans' identification as "pro-choice" or "pro-life" on abortion is provided here in tabular form, with breakouts by key population subgroups.

news.gallup.com

 

[3632]

Hired those people or contracted them out for 1 halftime show or ad?

What does it matter if you’re ‘taking a stand’?