John Gruden out as Raiders coach
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Country singer. Fond of the N word. Sales went up after he was recorded using it. Sad
You can say whatever you want but you have to accept what comes with that. Freedom of choice doesn’t mean freedom of consequence. I’m a person that think cancel culture goes to far but you can’t have a someone in a position of power say those things.
Because the NFL didn’t know about the emails until they started investigating Washington.
Cancel culture isn’t a thing. It’s called being held accountable for your actions. Weird how it’s only called cancel culture when it’s someone getting punished for being a hateful asshole. Don’t want to get fired? Don’t be a hateful asshole. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
you’re stretching big time. The redskins took those photos and shared them. Gruden had nothing to do with it. There’s no law preventing him from forwarding what that organization sent to him.
He worked for ESPN. Do you not know how employment works? For most people, when you get a job, you get a work email account.
And private companies don’t have to abide by freedom of speech. Freedom of speech only applies to the government. Might want to study the Constitution a bit. I’m sure you LOVED protecting the freedom of speech of people protesting during the anthem!
that hint and threat is called blackmail by the letter of the law. There’s going to be a backlash against the nfl if any legal issue exists it’s in that hint as you refer to it. Quit/fire or we release more. Look I don’t agree with what gruden did it’s stupid but what’s worse is the rhetoric and threats toward him if he didn’t quit.
It depends on the state. In some places it’s against the law to share that stuff even if someone sent it to you. Like I said, I have no idea if he shared them along or not. If he did, he could potentially be in a bit of trouble to where he’d probably settle out if anyone tried to press charges.
This gaslighting is a sure sign you are part of the cancel culture or you have been living in a bunker for the past 4 years or so.
I don’t view this as cancel culture, but there’s a reason Jimmy Kimmel and Trudeau didn’t get canceled for blackface but other people have had media crusades to oust them. Cancel culture is certainly a real thing.
Yes, it definitely is. If you are of one persuasion you are giving a lot longer leash on what you can say or do and get away with.
There are not many people who call Gruden a racist who are truly interested to know whether he REALLY is a racist. Ed, in this very thread, dismissed Mike Tirico’s opinion that is based on Tirico’s actual relationship. Ed would rather suggest that Tirico just does not understand as much as Ed, the guy that read an email. Well, Mike read that email TOO. So, is there something about Mike that Ed thinks makes Mike not able to discern what Ed can discern?? Tony Dungy and Mike Tirico are getting raked by the Eds of the world that evidently know better.
It wasn't my call. After the initial IMs were flagged, HR and legal did an investigation into his past communications and found enough other instances that he had to go. All I did was deliver the news.
He knew he wasn't supposed to be using company resources for personal reasons. We're told when we're hired and reminded periodically that the company can monitor anything you say. We'll usually let it slide if it's innocent stuff. When you use it constantly to say racial slurs and other disgusting bigoted things, then you're gone. This is not a new thing in corporate America; it's just that the algorithms and technology to find such issues have made it easier for companies.
When you can’t make a point, you attack with the ad hominem. Most people understand that to mean you don’t have a point.
If you can’t understand the point it’s not my responsibility to educate you. The school system failed you, not me
I got the point. You just did not consider the implications of such a ridiculous point.
I stopped watching NFL with the kneeling.
Oh the irony of someone saying don't be hateful as they are being hateful. 😂
Nfl ratings are huge. So is college. You are missing some good football
This is super shady. Can’t imagine Gruden’s emails were even close to the worst they found.
We're not just talking about Jon Gruden's issue here only. What about all the comedians who now have subjects that are now off-limits to them (see Dave Chappelle), it's only a matter of time before that bleeds over into music, movies, etc. Goya Foods was boycotted because the CEO did nothing more than praise Donald Trump. Washington/Lincoln/Jefferson all had their names removed from public schools in San Francisco for "ties to racism" and "dishonorable legacies" for no other reason than they were a product of their time.
You can't apply the thinking today to things that happened in the past or even distant past, people at that time did not think the same way they do now. To me, cancel culture does exist. Maybe not in Jon Grudens case, but there are many instances of the punishment not fitting the crime. We've just made it so much easier wreck someone's life. Nowadays if someone has a differing opinion with someone else we just throw the entire person away with little thought to it, "Oh well, f&*k'em!" Sorry, I think people's lives are worth more than that. People should be allowed to mess up and be given a chance to redeem themselves. If they aren't being given the chance to do that, it's called Cancel Culture.
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Exactly. Funny how they didn't publicly release anything, except one set of emails sure made their way public.
Noone says those emails weren't awful. There's just way more to the story when only one piece of information from 10 years ago magically happens to see the light of day.
I'm sure those personal remarks about the commish had no impact on that at all....
I mean Gruden wasn’t even a part of the organization so it’s odd he’s the sacrificial lamb. Have to wonder if Mark Davis called in a favor.
I had the NFL package for a couple of years when it first came out (I had a TiVo and recorded games - years ago). I have seen games in Chicago, Philly, Indy, Detroit, Nashville, Atlanta, and Jax. I stopped watching a few years ago and just don’t miss it. I do watch, however, a lot of college football and love it.
Last I checked, Dave Chappelle got to say what he wanted to say, never got any of his specials removed from Netflix (except when he requested it because he wasn't getting paid because of licensing), and never lost a paycheck over the comments he's made. Just because someone complains doesn't mean they got canceled.
So you participated in the call to "cancel culture" the NFL?
This is why I’ll never run for office. No telling the crazy shit I’ve done on
Email/text etc. I’ve also probably sent nudes, said something racist or homophobic tons of times.
Email/text etc. I’ve also probably sent nudes, said something racist or homophobic tons of times.
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