I don't know why we'd expect Cal to run the DDM here. Ever. I have seen nothing to indicate that's his preferred set. He did that at Memphis, I suspect, to i) match the talent he had, and ii) for marketing purposes. He doesn't need to do that at UK, for either of those reasons. He had 5 first round picks in 9 years at Memphis - he's about to have 18 or 19 in six years at UK. Point is, he gets the talent to run whatever he wants.....The DDM has outlived its usefulness to him......
Jerry Meyer Predicting Murray to UK...
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Have you watched Skal or Briscoe play? There are only maybe two or three schools out there who wouldn't trade classes with us in a heartbeat.
Yes, and maybe I should have clarified. I'm not discounting the guys we do have at all. Just that given our departures, we needed more than we got in the early signing period and whiffed on everyone so far in the late one, with the exclusion of a JUCO transfer. Not a soul on this planet would have guessed we would miss on every target after we got Skal, Matthews and Briscoe early, and then had all those departures.
He's not running it much because his personnel is different than it was at Memphis. He never had big men the caliber of Davis, Cousins, Towns, etc when he was at Memphis. The DDM can't be used now because we have post players occupying the lane that the drivers would go through. We won't see the DDM ever as long as Cal gets top quality big men. That includes this coming year. The presence of Skal would mean we will not see it much next year either even with a guard oriented offense. If we didn't have Skal then we would probably see it a lot next year but as long as we have a post presence it isn't the right offense for us to run.
Why do we need more than Murray? Last year is the only season that Cal has had a stacked roster with 9-10 players that need to be playing. Cal usually never has more than a 7 man rotation.
Last year really played a number on our fanbase's roster perception..
FALSE………he may have had better numbers but he wasn't and isn't better than Simmons or Skal.
We don't. I've said that if we get him, I'm totally ok with missing on those other guys. I love our roster with him.
Yeah, on the surface it looks kind of crazy that we lost all those guys and only added one player this spring.
But here is the thing. Cal said he would not platoon again this season, that we should expect a 6-7 man rotation, so there was no reason to sign a boat load of players.
He said we would sign two or three guys. We have one and are trying to get one more for sure. Add Wynyard at December and that's three.
So we are kind of on track.
I think he wanted to add one of Diallo or Zimmerman for depth inside, but with already having three contributors at the 4 and 5 spots, it was a hard sell. Wynyard coming in second semester was the safety net.
I think he wanted Newman, Brown, or Murray to add to the perimeter. I think the best of the three is still a possibility.
So far we have only really missed on a big man and with three 5-stars already on the roster and Cal saying we are only playing 6-7 guys, it's not a huge earth shattering miss.
Might be a good miss since we avoid a logjam inside that might have forced Poythress back to the 3 spot, which might have kept us from possibly getting Murray.
If we miss on Murray, that one will hurt the most, IMHO. Still we have enough players, so it's not like we will be in dire straits.
So, while it might not be a spectacular spring for recruiting, I don't think it was a disaster. Keeping Lee and Poythress is probably better than having Diallo or Zimmerman (as long as Poythress is healthy) and we still have the best perimeter player (IMHO) that we were recruiting still on the board as a possibility.
Silents is a shining example of being spoiled. When Cal leaves he will lose his mind. The guy/girl doesn't think we can be good unless we have platoons of all 5*'s
This is me as well.
I won't write us off if we don't get him, but he takes us to another level.
Read the thread. He thinks we don't have a great recruiting class. Thinks we need more players when Cal himself said he does not want to platoon again.
Our recruiting class is top 3 in the country, and we most definitely have 7-8 guys that can play. Silents is spoiled.
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His composite ranking is low because he is still ranked really low by one of the recruiting services, can't remember which one though and its just really old, and that has hurt his overall ranking but he is a 5 star in every other ranking service. The kid is a baller and an definite elite talent, so question about it. A prolific scorer in a variety of ways. That's what makes him so fun to watch! He can do it all.
If we don't land him our recruiting class isn't
It isn't as great as what we usually have, it's easy to see that so it isn't a stretch to say so. As for the spoiled comments above, how is anyone spoiled? This is the type system that Calipari himself has chosen to run here at UK, so if 5 to 7 players are going to leave after one or two years u have to replace them with equal talent. He has not done that this year...if he lands Murray it another "great" recruiting year, otherwise, no, it isn't. We have literally missed EVERY recruiting target this offseason. It's not that some fans are spoiled its just that we have some that are obviously under some sort of John Calipari "Trance" and think he can do no wrong or is above any type of criticism what so ever.
CUT-NETS is trying to be cute.
I understand those who want another big, but that's more of a luxury, IMO. A true perimeter scorer has been this team's biggest need the entire offseason- a guy who can create his own shot and stretch the floor. We may be all right already if Mulder/Matthews can play better than their hype, but Murray is exactly what we've been looking for. In fact, out of all the recruits we've been after this off-season, he most fits the bill (although you could argue Ingram and Brown, I suppose). He can shoot and he can get to the rim.
I understand those who want another big, but that's more of a luxury, IMO. A true perimeter scorer has been this team's biggest need the entire offseason- a guy who can create his own shot and stretch the floor. We may be all right already if Mulder/Matthews can play better than their hype, but Murray is exactly what we've been looking for. In fact, out of all the recruits we've been after this off-season, he most fits the bill (although you could argue Ingram and Brown, I suppose). He can shoot and he can get to the rim.
The only reason people are worried is because Cal has spoiled us since he's been here. If you step back for a minute and think about it, it's kind of ridiculous to expect more than a class with the top overall player, the top point guard and two four star players regardless of what you lost. It sucks that we missed on a bunch of guys, but our roster as it stands is top five to ten without question. Those guys would have been icing on the cake.
When you can produce any post of mine saying we don't have a great class, then you will start to have a modicum of credibility. I have said repeatedly that while it is still a top class, we needed more players to give us at least 10, to deal with injuries and foul trouble. I have also said that if we get Murray I will be thrilled with our class and won't mind missing on those other guys at all. As usual, you have no clue what you are talking about.
I'd like to formally request a job as a Kentucky Rivals mod, because apparently you don't have to do a damn thing. How many posters need to call out Cut-Nets as a troll before something is doen? And yet the Mods are too busy making sure no one fights on the Paddock.. The Paddock.. which is basically the internet version of Baghdad. Pretty sure you're never going to fix that place (as much as I love it).. Priorities
I tell ya what else helps sometimes, keeping that trap shut. Anyone with half a brain can see the implication is there that he is at least as good as Simmons and Skal or in fact may be better than them and he's NOT. Common sense helps sometimes.
BS. I said exactly what I meant- that Murray was better in that game...and he was. So, if you have a problem, come at me with it. I say what I mean and mean what I say. Shouldn't be that hard to figure out.
Kid had 30p & 5a and it wasn't like he was gunning. It was an efficient effort.
I wouldn't rank him above Skal or Simmons, but I wouldn't have a problem putting him above any of the guards in the '15 class.
I have a problem with it. If he's not better than Skal or Simmons then what does it help to say Murray was better in ONE game?????? I'm sure Saul Smith had better numbers in some games than our "stars". I think Marcus Lee had a better game against Michigan than Randle, what does that say????????? NOTHING
It's the most prestigious of the high school All-Star games and the only one I saw featuring all three, so shove it up your
.It's an all star game in high school, I could put up 15 and I'm old and fat. Sorry pal but thats not how I roll.It's the most prestigious of the high school All-Star games and the only one I saw featuring all three, so shove it up your
Obviously. Some say pick your battles and obviously this battle was worth it for you.
Actually, it is important to know that "one game" because it's one of the most recent games that he has played. That helps with increasing his confidence which is showing in his recent games. Not rocket science.
and before you blow out a coronary at home and scare your family. Why would you compare Lee's situation as a college athlete to a blossoming high school player who is starting to realize his potential? Easy killer, take it easy... I'm going to step away... Let you cool down.... Easy now...
I don't think we need 10 players. I think Cal wants to play 8 at the most. From the sound of things, Cal wants to distance himself from the word platoon. Lol. If we get 10 legit players, that word is going to pop back up and I don't think that will be good for our recruiting in the future. Having an 8 man rotation is perfect if you ask me because we are so versatile and have players who can play multiple positions. Coach wants Alex at the 4 but he can play the 3 when needed, as he has most of his career here. Then we have Briscoe who can go for a 1 or 2, Skal can play 4 or 5, Mulder can go 2 or 3, Marcus can go 4 and fill in at 5, as well as a very versatile player in Matthews. Tyler is really the only player that is "set" at a position and that's simply because of size. I think all this versatility can really over come the need to have extra men in the rotation. We just won't have the need and the very best players can top out on the minutes. At least that's what my crystal ball said that Cal was thinking. LOL! Jk! But from what I've heard Coach and coaches say, that's what I gather from it.
But we are each entitled to our own opinion and some like to have extra players and I can understand the thinking behind that philosophy.
Not saying it wasn't just one game and it was an All-Star game, but it impressed the hell out of me and this was before I knew UK was looking at him or he was reclassifying.
If you weren't impressed, cool.
If you weren't impressed, cool.
But that's all he said. Just that he was better in that game. What's so wrong with that? Is it a crime to say that the "best" player got outplayed by someone? I think you're making a fuss about nothing really. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are meaning but that's what I gathered from your post. I too felt like Murray was the best player on the court that day, of either team. That's just what I saw with my own eyes. Don't think I'm saying anything negative about any other players, just stating the obvious.
It's not that I wasn't impressed, he played a good game against a matador defense but he done it better than the rest against the same defense. I believe he is good and a good kid, I just don't believe the hype from mainly one game. I believe out of our 3 guards he ranks 3rd. I believe Ulis and Briscoe are better. I know about the rankings and Murray may be ranked a little higher than Briscoe or may not. I also know that Ulis wasn't top 10 in the rankings. I am just not convinced Murray is elite. I hope he is and I hope he ends up being great IFFFF he comes to UK but I'll take Briscoe and Tyler over him all day long................right now. I'm not closed minded, he may prove me wrong if he comes by Christmas, but I'll need to see it to believe it.
If I may but in. Only 4 players over 6'8" 3 of them solid players if Skal plays up to his hype. We are a tad short on bigs. But Wynyard may come in January. But Cal knows who can do what on the court and will make the most of what he has. Go BBN
The number 10 was just meant for practice purposes. It includes Hawkins and Willis.
Nike hoop summit isn't like the other two games. They actually run plays and play good defense in that game. They actually try hard.
It may be a better played game than the other two but to say they play "good" defense is a huge stretch. Players go half throttle because they don't want to get hurt and they want the game to have a good flow to it. How many fouls were called? Blocks? Charges? Probably 3 or 4 all game on all of those stats which equals just a show. They are all just a way to showcase talent, athleticism, and shooting ability, not to be a shut down defender, to boring.
Theyre playing for their country. They go very hard. It means a lot to them.
Just curious bit whats with the psychopath avatars? First Manson then BTK, morbid bunch some of you guys are becoming.
I agree the loss to Whisky was demoralizing but geez.....
I agree the loss to Whisky was demoralizing but geez.....
Thanks for the reply, I enjoyed reading your post, which is a lot more than I can about most others on here. To answer your question, I feel if we get Murray it would certainly change our team and make us a strong championship contender. However, I will still worry all year about the potential of foul trouble, because we will be very thin inside even if we add Murray. I hope that Waynard will play in December and be a solid contributor, that would rest many of my worries. I hope Skal is special and Lee will improve and become a Joakim Noah type player for us, and also that Poy will give us around 11 a game mainly on the block. Bottom line, I think we can be a really great team if we add Murray, but I am sorry I no longer have faith in Calipari in terms of winning a title, I hope I am proven wrong in the worst of ways, but I doubt it.
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