Jerry Meyer Predicting Murray to UK...

[MdWIldcat55]

"Vick visited KU Wednesday through Friday following his visit to Kansas State. He had scheduled a visit to Kentucky but decided not to make that trip this week." -from KUSports article.

He cancelled the visit because he was committing to Kansas.

LOL. Thanks for quoting that reliable, unimpeachable source, along with the only possible interpretation -- well, except that Cal quietly informed him that UK was prioritizing Murray and that he probably should consider cancelling his visit to save face.

 

[DakkoN]

I love how our fanbase always jumps to the "there is no possible reason that a kid would ever pick any other school unless we passed on them first".

Kentucky offered the kid 5 days ago. You seriously think they would offer him and then pull the offer and cancel the visit immediately after? Yeah, okay. Must be nice to live in a fantasy world where the only things that make sense is the nonsense you create in our head.

 

[RondoBaller21]

I love how our fanbase always jumps to the "there is no possible reason that a kid would ever pick any other school unless we passed on them first".

Kentucky offered the kid 5 days ago. You seriously think they would offer him and then pull the offer and cancel the visit immediately after? Yeah, okay. Must be nice to live in a fantasy world where the only things that make sense is the nonsense you create in our head.

Uh yeah! Vick said he was blessed to have an offer from UK and was apparently very excited about it. So what suddenly changed?? Hmmmmm........I wonder

 

[bucsrule8872]

Vick picked KU over UK.

Just like Diallo and Wiggins.

Randle picked UK over KU.

So did Lamb.

In recruiting, you can't win them all.

KU has as much appeal to these kids (who have no allegiance, like we do) as UK.

It's hard to understand that as a UK fan, but it's true.

 

[TriangleUKCat]

Nothing to say...just happy this is back

 

[K-Town Kat]

Anyone saying Vick spurned UK and not the other way around hasnt been following people who actually have a clue the past few days.

Vick never made it to campus because Kentucky pulled the plug on the visit.

We don't get everybody we want and kids do like other schools better many times, but the Vick situation was Kentucky wishing to prioritize a better player.

 

[white10]

Lets go for number 9 ONLY!!!!!

 

[Tyblue22]

CatsNoles. ..You are quickly becoming one of the most lest respected posters on this board. You bring nothing to the table, ever. Let it go bro. I share what I have when I have it. I haven't posted anything on Murray because I do not have anything to share. Its a hard time to get info. As most of UK family is out of town. I will be around in the next couple of weeks, and see what I can find out. And if I do I will share it, but man I have nothing at this point. I haven't talked to anyone in a few weeks. I do know that he liked his visit, and really liked what he heard. But, most everyone who visits does so that's not a big deal. The deal is this, he has decided not to play for CIA Bounce this summer which is a big key or hint. That gives a nod to the idea that he will go to college and reclassify, but Roger hasn't decided yet. They want to train and work with the best players which is why Kentucky is taking the lead. He wants Jamal to play with the best players, and at Kentucky he can do that. But he also wants to make sure he gets a lot of minutes. So basically, they are thinking, and they still have to go to Greece in June. I don't know what he will do and Im not in the guessing business. The options are this. Got to UK, Go to Oregon, or even go overseas. And enter the draft next year. Or, play prep one more year and enter the draft next year. If he attends college, it will be this year. There is no reason for him to go to college in the 2016 class as he will be draft eligible by then. If he will be a cat, I think it will be this fall. I don't know anything as of now, and honestly I don't think anyone does outside of Roger and coach Cal.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

This is the first I am hearing that he might play in Europe. Ugh, one more thing to sweat.

 

[bucsrule8872]

This is the first I am hearing that he might play in Europe. Ugh, one more thing to sweat.

What did I miss? Where is this coming from?

 

[RondoBaller21]

His dad said hes going to college. Havent seen anything indicating they're going overseas.

 

[Tyblue22]

listen, his goal is to 'train' with the best players, He has been contacted about playing overseas. He is not going to do that, but its one of 3 options, and the last option. Its not happening. I am saying I don't see him coming to college in the 2016 class. If he attends college it will be this fall, this year.

 

[MethodUK]

I hope he decides to come. Like this kids game and demeanor.

 

[kyups01]

listen, his goal is to 'train' with the best players, He has been contacted about playing overseas. He is not going to do that, but its one of 3 options, and the last option. Its not happening. I am saying I don't see him coming to college in the 2016 class. If he attends college it will be this fall, this year.

Are you a recruiting expert?

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

listen, his goal is to 'train' with the best players, He has been contacted about playing overseas. He is not going to do that, but its one of 3 options, and the last option. Its not happening. I am saying I don't see him coming to college in the 2016 class. If he attends college it will be this fall, this year.

Good lord dude. You obviously didn't learn your lesson from the Wiggins debacle. Referring to recruits and their parents by their first name doesn't make you any more "in the know" than the rest of us.

 

[wcc31]

Vick picked KU over UK.

Just like Diallo and Wiggins.

Randle picked UK over KU.

So did Lamb.

In recruiting, you can't win them all.

KU has as much appeal to these kids (who have no allegiance, like we do) as UK.

It's hard to understand that as a UK fan, but it's true.

BS.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

What did I miss? Where is this coming from?

Guess I misunderstood someone's post. Apparently they meant he is going to play in Greece in some international thing. Not as a pro.

 

[Poetax]

while watchin Murray play in the All-Star games this year he was more of SG than a PG and with Coach Cal system we can play 3 guards. Last year Ullis was hiitting over 40% from 3 point and was hitting from outside nice last year. We thought Booker was the shooter last year and in the end he probably was but Ullis was just as good from hitting from 3. Briscoe has been hitting nearly 35-40% from 3 so all three of these guards can shoot from the outside and all 3 guards can take it to the basket and make things happen. It would be an exciting 3 guards on the court to go along with SKAI & POY or Lee.

You're right Dave, he led the team shooting 42.9% from the 3 pt line.

 

[UKCATSFREAK]

For every other team, you are correct, this is an incredible class. However, for a team like team like us where we have to replace nearly an entire team on a yearly basis,just having a few guys that are projected high draft picks does not mean as much as it normally would.

If we add Murray and get his offense, we will be loaded. I apologize but I haven't read the entire thread, was your point that we have holes now or we would even if we get Murray? Cause I'm seeing Murray clear up alot of the holes that I see as the roster sits now. The main concern that I have, as the roster sits today, is offense and getting enough of it consistently. Rebounding could be a concern but not a major issue to me with Alex coming back. So, if Murray commits then I'm content that we have a national title type team again. Are you not seeing that with Murray? Again, I apologize if you've already covered this, I just didn't see it. The floor is yours.....

 

[ThroughBlue]

I hope we lose the first game of the year

 

[gracetoyou]

Anyone saying Vick spurned UK and not the other way around hasnt been following people who actually have a clue the past few days.

Vick never made it to campus because Kentucky pulled the plug on the visit.

We don't get everybody we want and kids do like other schools better many times, but the Vick situation was Kentucky wishing to prioritize a better player.

Correct! UK said thanks, but no thanks. That's 100% in this case.

 

[TrustinCal]

Where is the source that UK pulled the plug on Vick's visit? That's not a good look in the eyes' of recruits if true. Offer five days before, then cancel the visit because they like another guy better? That's basically recruiting over someone before they make it on campus for a visit with a healthy dose of disrespect. You can communicate to Vick that he isn't the top priority besides canceling the visit especially when the offer was made 5 days before. Sure it makes losing him easier for fans like caneintally but if I was on the staff I wouldn't want that spin getting around. When Cal talks about coaching at UK and being under the desk in the fetal position, he's talking about stuff like this. We have our own fanbase negative recruiting against us so their feelings and pride don't get hurt. Amazing.

 

[wcc31]

Why do some of you not get that reported "offers" aren't necessarily black and white? Going into the weekend of Vick's visits came hot news of Murray possibly coming in for a visit. Sure enough, Vick never makes it to UK. Considering Vick isn't an impact guy- and hell, may not even reclassify- put two and two together.

 

[BigBlueManSouthCentralKY]

...as of 11:12 p.m. last night. Changed the prediction from Oregon I believe. Currently the "crystal ball" has Murray 58% to UK, 21% Oregon, 11% Syracuse, and 5% each for Michigan State and Duke.

Hope this turns out to be true.

Did he talk to the Murrays yesterday OR has he read some stuff we haven't read?

 

[KMKAT]

It would sure seem like Murray is coming to play here. You don't hear of any urgency to look at other schools after our visit. That Alltech presentation including Murray was very shrewd of Cal also.
Sure sounds like its up to Sandy Bell to get the proper approvals in place so we can add him to our roster.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

It would sure seem like Murray is coming to play here. You don't hear of any urgency to look at other schools after our visit. That Alltech presentation including Murray was very shrewd of Cal also.
Sure sounds like its up to Sandy Bell to get the proper approvals in place so we can add him to our roster.

Yeah, if we don't get this kid, then this year was just not meant to be. Hard to imagine a year where more could go wrong on the recruiting side.

 

[CUT-NETS]

I think Murray definitely changes us. I wonder what it does to Tyler's role as point guard. In my opinion there is no player in the country that I would rather have at point guard than a sophomore Tyler Ulis. That being said, a three guard line-up of Ulis, Briscoe, and Murray really excites me and it should all of you as well...


Seth Greenburg said recently that he thinks the game is changing…….again. He says he thinks its moving to a smaller, more guard oriented line-up. His example was Villanova, among a handful of other teams. Since Cal has been at UK, and certainly the past couple of years, we have been more of a big bruising team. If we add Murray I think we become a smooth, more fluent, scoring team. Similar to those Uconn teams that won titles. As down as I have been for a while now, the prospect of having a team like this (one that we have never had before) is very exciting to me.


A team like this is going to run and I just hope Cal never lets off the gas or pulls back the reigns.

 

[bssparks]

Here is the great thing about Murray coming to play with Ulis and Briscoe. All the scouts will see him play the 2 pretty much all year, but everybody will say he can play the point ala Westbrook. Essentially his draft stock will improve because no weakness will be exposed.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

I think with Murray, we may run the DDM the way it is supposed to be, which means there is no real PG. Any of the 3 can play PG or SG. Difference is Ulis is very vulnerable to defensive mismatches, so if we are playing a traditional offense, and he is playing point against a big opposing PG, there is a problem. So, in that sense, Murray gives us the flexibility we need. Hard to come up with a defense to counter 3 guards like ours. Especially when we have Mulder as a shooter replacement, and Hawkins as a defensive replacement. With Murray we have no weaknesses in the backcourt, other than Ulis being too small to guard some guys.

 

[CUT-NETS]

Here is the great thing about Murray coming to play with Ulis and Briscoe. All the scouts will see him play the 2 pretty much all year, but everybody will say he can play the point ala Westbrook. Essentially his draft stock will improve because no weakness will be exposed.

Why is it automatically assumed that he is playing the two? I understand that in this type of offense the 2 and 3 are basically interchangeable, but Briscoe is about 2 inches shorter than Murray; wouldn't it make more sense for him to play the 2 in a more traditional offense and Murray the 3 because of size?

 

[UKCATSFREAK]

Yeah, if we don't get this kid, then this year was just not meant to be. Hard to imagine a year where more could go wrong on the recruiting side.

Oh, I can imagine it going more wrong. I just don't think we can say that with a top 3 class coming in as of now and still possible #1 class. I agree, it has been a bad few months but the stellar early period even things out. Its just been a bad couple months of a weird class but we do have a good class coming in.

 

[CUT-NETS]

I think with Murray, we may run the DDM the way it is supposed to be, which means there is no real PG. Any of the 3 can play PG or SG. Difference is Ulis is very vulnerable to defensive mismatches, so if we are playing a traditional offense, and he is playing point against a big opposing PG, there is a problem. So, in that sense, Murray gives us the flexibility we need. Hard to come up with a defense to counter 3 guards like ours. Especially when we have Mulder as a shooter replacement, and Hawkins as a defensive replacement. With Murray we have no weaknesses in the backcourt, other than Ulis being too small to guard some guys.

If i had a nickel for every time a poster said "we are about to run the DDM the way it is supposed to be" etc

 

[ZZBlueComet]

Murray, according to the rankings I've seen, is only ranked as a 4-star and not in the top-25 - I know he had the big performance at the Nike Summit. Are the "experts" expecting his stock to go through the roof?

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Murray, according to the rankings I've seen, is only ranked as a 4-star and not in the top-25 - I know he had the big performance at the Nike Summit. Are the "experts" expecting his stock to go through the roof?

The 4-star rating is old. He moved up in some lists already, and at least one of them said he would be Top 10 in either class. They systems are waiting to see if he reclassifies.

 

[ganner918]

Murray, according to the rankings I've seen, is only ranked as a 4-star and not in the top-25 - I know he had the big performance at the Nike Summit. Are the "experts" expecting his stock to go through the roof?

Rivals has him #15 in the 2016 class. 24/7 (their own ranking, not composite) has him #10 in 2016.

 

[K_TIME]

If i had a nickel for every time a poster said "we are about to run the DDM the way it is supposed to be" etc

I sort of giggle when I read this as well...

- Year 1..we jammed the ball thru Cuz in the paint and Wall/Bledsoe had open lane at times when Cuz was out of game.
- Year 2 was probably pick and pop with Knight/Lamb/Jorts/Jones and Miller
- Year 3 was a different year with Jones/MKG/Davis/Lamb alternating of being main shot takers...more of a pick and roll/penetrate season
- Year 4 was WTH team
- Year 5 was jam the ball thru Randle first and Twins/Young bulling thru the best matchup
- Year 6 was jam the ball thru our bigs and more deep shooting from our wings

We do a good bit of dribble penetration but I'd almost argue under Cal we're a low post based offense as much with our bigs than we've ever been a team that drives it constantly with our backcourt players.

 

[bucsrule8872]

Why is it automatically assumed that he is playing the two? I understand that in this type of offense the 2 and 3 are basically interchangeable, but Briscoe is about 2 inches shorter than Murray; wouldn't it make more sense for him to play the 2 in a more traditional offense and Murray the 3 because of size?

On offense, it doesn't matter. They will rotate through the MOTION offense. Sometimes Ulis will be at the point, with Briscoe and Murray on the wings. Sometimes Murray will be at the point, with Ulis and Briscoe on the wings. Sometimes Briscoe will be at the point, and Murray and Ulis will be on the wings.

Defensively, Ulis will likely always guard the other team's PG. He is most effective applying on ball pressure and the PG is usually the smallest guy on the floor for the other team as well.

Briscoe is a very good defender and is 6'3.5 and 218 lbs. with a 6'8 wingspan. He can guard the 1-3 spots. I think he will guard the best perimeter scorer on the other team regardless of whether they are the PG, SG, or SF (just my opinion).

Murray guards the other wing, of course. At 6'5, 205 lbs. with a 6'7 wingspan he should be able to guard anyone on the perimeter.

Mulder or Matthews end up being the first backcourt reserve off the bench and fill in at the 2 or 3 spots.

When we face a big, strong, physical SF, then Poythress slides over to the 3 to guard them. With Dekker and Lyles gone to the NBA there aren't many 6'9, 230 SFs left in college, so I doubt that becomes an issue. Still, it's nice to have a guy like Poy in there with that kind of versatility.

Labissiere can guard the 4 or 5 spot.

Lee can guard the 4 or 5 spot.

Wynyard guards the 5, if we have foul trouble.

In short:

Ulis- guards the 1 (or smallest guard).
Briscoe- can guard the 1-3.
Murray- can guard the 1-3.
Poythress- guards the 4 spot, slides to the 3 if necessary, might occasionally have to guard a 5.
Labissiere- guards the 4 or 5 spot, mostly the 5.
Lee- off the bench, guards the 4 or 5.
Mulder (or Matthews)- off the bench, guards the 2 or 3.
Wynyard- off the bench, guards the 5 when we have foul trouble.

That's how I see it.

 

[wcc31]

Murray, according to the rankings I've seen, is only ranked as a 4-star and not in the top-25 - I know he had the big performance at the Nike Summit. Are the "experts" expecting his stock to go through the roof?

Kid was the best player at the most prestigious HS All-Star Game. He was better than Simmons. Better than Skal. There was no way one could watch than game and NOT come away impressed. His stock is exploding right now.

 

[brianpoe]

Why is it automatically assumed that he is playing the two? I understand that in this type of offense the 2 and 3 are basically interchangeable, but Briscoe is about 2 inches shorter than Murray; wouldn't it make more sense for him to play the 2 in a more traditional offense and Murray the 3 because of size?

You answered your own question. Any team that runs a 3 guard offense doesn't usually have a SF. Everyone knows this....

 

[bucsrule8872]

I sort of giggle when I read this as well...

- Year 1..we jammed the ball thru Cuz in the paint and Wall/Bledsoe had open lane at times when Cuz was out of game.
- Year 2 was probably pick and pop with Knight/Lamb/Jorts/Jones and Miller
- Year 3 was a different year with Jones/MKG/Davis/Lamb alternating of being main shot takers...more of a pick and roll/penetrate season
- Year 4 was WTH team
- Year 5 was jam the ball thru Randle first and Twins/Young bulling thru the best matchup
- Year 6 was jam the ball thru our bigs and more deep shooting from our wings

We do a good bit of dribble penetration but I'd almost argue under Cal we're a low post based offense as much with our bigs than we've ever been a team that drives it constantly with our backcourt players.

Cal stated when he got here he would run whatever offense was best for his players.

Year 1- he had Cuz and PPat down low so running the DDMO was not the best fit.

Year 2- we saw more of the DDMO. The pick and pop was used quite a bit as well.

Year 3- this was the closest we ever saw of the DDMO. We had the personnel to run it.

Year 4- we tried to run it, but nothing seemed to work on that team after Noel went down.

Year 5- featured Randle inside and three big guards on the perimeter. It wasn't a team made for DDMO.

Year 6- again with your team being a team of giants, clearing the lane and getting to the rim on dribble penetration isn't the best strategy. When your best player is the best post player in the country, you post him up.

This year looks like we should finally see a true DDMO team. If Cal truly runs whatever is best for his players (like he says), we should see the DDMO, especially with Murray.