if this kid pix oregon will he, swanagan, brown, newman and zimmerman have less average home fans at their games combined than we do?
Jamal Murray announcing tomorrow (6/24) on TSN at 6 PM
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It appears that Calipari is getting in on more players earlier. This could be because other schools have adapted to the OAD phenomenon and are challenging the "Kentucky effect." These coaches have stopped fighting UK and are now joining in the recruiting game. Glad to see that Cal is taking a more proactive stance with these younger kids instead of letting the product name and coaching reputation do the recruiting for him. Adapting and adjusting to the newer climate is a positive and I am happy that Calipari is flexible in this regard. I expect the next two classes to be stellar.
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Jamal Murray big announcement in a couple hrs. Everything on internet is straight speculation. Nobody knows where until announced. #Process
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Tariq Sbiet@Tariq_NPHJamal Murray big announcement in a couple hrs. Everything on internet is straight speculation. Nobody knows where until announced. #Process
No, but relatively close.
Those schools would have a combined average of 48,275. Kentucky's is 22,964.
I hold out hope because some of our best seasons have come after disappointing losses.
In 92 the Unforgettables lose, I'm thinking that we won't be as good without their Senior leadership, then we get back to the Final Four in 93, first time in almost a decade.
In 97, we lost in the title game, we were heartbroken. No repeat. Mercer and DA were gone. Pitino left. No way Tubby wins with Pitino's "leftovers." We cut down the nets in 98.
In 2010, Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe, and Patterson lead the best team in college ball to the Elite Eight. Then we end up with Kanter ineligible. 2011 is going to be a little bit of a down year. Instead we get back to the Final Four for the first time in forever.
So I'm hoping for a similar year. Maybe we are in for a nice surprise.
I'm just going to try to enjoy the ride, like every year, no matter the outcome.
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Does anyone think the announcement coming on the eve of the NBA draft is a coincidence? I don't. I'm predicting Murray to UK!
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Or could be scared Oregon staff saying we better lock this kid up before he sees 10 UK players drafted in the lottery tomorrow.
He also told us all Newman was a Cat and had been for a long time, if I remember correctly.
Yep, also said Giles likely to UK, which also isn't gonna happen.
At the end of the day, I think Murray will go to Oregon, but he's not a very good source.
The same way I know that Mississippi State, UNLV and California won't play deep in the tourney next season: History. Not just the history of those programs or coaches, but also the history of whenever certain guys coming into college are allowed to "get theirs" and "be the man" all by themselves and have positions and roles promised to them from day 1, it doesn't always work out for the betterment of their teams unless they're just a transcendent, otherworldly talent (and even then Durant couldn't get Texas to the Sweet 16), that's all I'm saying.
All of those teams will probably be better than they were last year, but none of them will come close to contending for a national title. I seriously doubt any of them will even win a conference title.
This is the bottom line. I don't understand the worry, for the life of me. People need to forget about how much talent we had last year, and that we're losing 7 kids to the draft, and that we've lost recruits this spring which is new for us. We still have 5 five-stars and 3 four-stars....
If there was some really high correlation going on here - like "if you have a team as talented as UK last year you have 100% chance of winning a title" and/or "if you only have five 5 stars and 3 four stars you only have a 1% chance of winning a title", or something like that - then I'd understand the hand-wringing. But there is no such distinction between the talent level we had last year and the one we'll have this year. You have to have a certain amount of talent to have any realistic chance, and we clearly have that. Beyond that, no matter how many draft picks you have, it's a crapshoot. There are no guarantees.
We still have 5 five-stars and 3 four-stars....
I'm certainly not saying Murray is coming to UK but the crystal ball does not have an influence on what I think. Most of those changes for Oregon are for the same reasons we think it's Oregon...not because of available inside info...there's not any.
Btowns recruitment was tight lipped...crystal ball had California at 5%...Michigan like 50+%. Crystal ball only reflects perception. Perception is often correct. However, it's not always a reflection of good info. I'm convinced thete is none with Murray right now.
The Cook tweet that leaked a couple of days ago is the clincher for most if us, but we don't know if it was legit. If it wasn't for that tweet I'd feel confident about Murray
Dana Altman's been a head coach for 26 years and has made the Sweet 16 ONCE. He's made the NCAA tourney 11 times in 26 seasons as a head coach.
I don't know if that's chopped liver, but it's the definition of mediocrity.
I don't know if that's chopped liver, but it's the definition of mediocrity.
Well, the proof will be in the pudding on that, and we won't have to wait long to see who is right. There is, and has always been, a school of thought that says if you are a highly rated kid, you're going to get drafte, the NBA will find you, and it doesn't matter if you play for Kentucky or South Alabama. I think there is obvious demontrable evidence against that, but others differ. These kids and their parents, going to Oregon, Cal, Mississippi State, they obviously buy the notion that it doesn't matter where they play. Come June of 2016, since I'm sure each of them thinks of himself as a one and done, we'll see who was right.
A little ironic. I heard Dan Wetzel of Yahoo Sports on the radio this spring - pretty sure it was him, he's very solid unlike his colleague Forde. And he said in the universe of Elite AAU players, family, hangers on, etc., it's an article of faith that Duke and UK are different, in a different league than KU, UNC, Ohio State, all the rest, when it comes to the least risky place for a highly rated kid to play. Because unlike all the rest, K and Cal have no misses, they have no record of taking a kid who was NBA can't miss as a high School senior, and turning him into a sad story (not drafted at all, 4 year college player, whatever). This current class evidently sees no relevance there.....
I think it'd more a matter of everyone just wanting to win the last chance recuiting battle.
I dont know...but i see alot of people name their trucks that....least its posted on a bunch of em.
Still think we need 1 more good player and 1 more backup up front - Kanter didn't qualify, Poythress and Noels both went down with injuries. I don't feel comfortable enough with Willis and Lee to think they'll be big-time players. We only have 4 bigs and one is named Willis.
We are in a day, time, and era now, in which the one and done is finally came back to bite us. Coaches are like, "You're one and done no matter where you go, stay here, get yours, be the man, play in front of your family, take your thirty shots etc" Tradition, tournament runs, and coaching resumes are pointless anymore. Murray to Oregon. Might as well bomb one from halfcourt to push the lead to thirty the way this recruiting season has went
If he picks Oregon, I wonder if it was a mutual decision, or was one of them more inclined to UK. I know JM is friends with one of their players, but we've been led to believe that that type of thing would not be a factor in his decision. I read where the father liked Altman's record with guards, but come on, Cal wins that in a landslide. I don't think either of those is the real reason.
If its available only on this network, doesn't really give us hope at all. We're set and I think our group will do well together with what we have. Good luck to the young man.
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Matt Prehm @Prehmmr247 8m8 minutes ago
I'm working on the exact details, but I'm told ESPN is working on covering the Jamal Murry commitment in the States. http://oregon.247sports.com/Board/45/Contents/Jamal-Murray-on-Quack-Watch-going-into-Wednesday-commitment-37906431#M37916139…
Matt Prehm @Prehmmr247 8m8 minutes agoI'm working on the exact details, but I'm told ESPN is working on covering the Jamal Murry commitment in the States. http://oregon.247sports.com/Board/45/Contents/Jamal-Murray-on-Quack-Watch-going-into-Wednesday-commitment-37906431#M37916139…
Ok, here we go with the "people will be shocked" business. That seldom happens.
False. Duke and Kentucky are the only two schools to win at a high level and turn top level recruits into lottery picks I hate losing recruits to duke but I can kinda understand it. Zimmerman and Newman stayed home. Murray and brown literally makes 0 sense.
I've been watching recruiting for years and this has the feel of a completely typical announcement. Tons of people guessing Oregon and then today, local people (Canadian basketball people) saying "nobody knows for sure" and "don't believe what you read on the Internet, nothing is official". They're typical comments from people trying to keep the hype and anticipation up for the kid when it's starting to wane because of so many people predicting the same school.
If you ask me its a last ditch effort to try and keep some attention on Murray and keep him under the spotlight. I respect any kid having to go through a tough decision process but don't get all upset when rival fans blast him or anyone else for choosing another school (especially one like Oregon compared to UK, and I'm not being arrogant, it's a silly decision) when you used their school to get the hype in the first place. Acting like they don't know where he's going yet is completely asinine. So I wish the kid well, but the people around him need to quit acting like victims of media or basketball fans when they're the ones setting up announcements like its the return of Christ in the first place. Nobody used to do this back in the day anyway so if they don't like the attention, then just announce it on Twitter or in a press release then.
If you ask me its a last ditch effort to try and keep some attention on Murray and keep him under the spotlight. I respect any kid having to go through a tough decision process but don't get all upset when rival fans blast him or anyone else for choosing another school (especially one like Oregon compared to UK, and I'm not being arrogant, it's a silly decision) when you used their school to get the hype in the first place. Acting like they don't know where he's going yet is completely asinine. So I wish the kid well, but the people around him need to quit acting like victims of media or basketball fans when they're the ones setting up announcements like its the return of Christ in the first place. Nobody used to do this back in the day anyway so if they don't like the attention, then just announce it on Twitter or in a press release then.
Wynyard is likely coming in at Christmas and will deepen the bench inside.
Our inside rotation come tourney time will be solid:
PF Poythress/Lee/Wynyard
C Labissiere/Lee/Wynyard
Three 5-stars and a 4-star for two positions seems like it's deep enough to me. Throw in Willis at the 4 if needed and we are even deeper.
If Cal thought we needed another big, don't you think he would have offered some other players after Zimmerman and Diallo went elsewhere? The UF or Charlotte decommits, the Greek kid, a 5th year grad transfer, etc?
You can't worry about injuries. If Anthony Davis gets hurt in 2012, we don't cut down the nets. We probably don't make the Final Four last season if KAT goes down. Heck, it can be argued that losing Poy cost us a title and that's our deepest team ever.
You can't really do anything to counter an injury to a main player. If it happens we are likely sunk no matter who is on the bench.
I still think Willis can play. I know many find that laughable but unsung players emerge in college basketball every year.
Who'd have thought Josh Harrellson or DeAndre Liggins would get drafted June 2010?
Who'd have thought Josh Harrellson or DeAndre Liggins would get drafted June 2010?
We're gonna get him. Book it. Its my gut feeling and I'm not going to be wrong. If we don't get him I will never post here again. We got him. I'm telling you.
Here it is again! And another person acting like we're all gonna be surprised by the choice, just like I just posted. They do this because then everyone does what they do best, speculate again. People say "well, I thought he was going to Oregon but now someone says we're gonna be shocked!". It's all BS. And where is this guy from???? You guessed it, CANADA!!!!
All it is, is a bunch of hometown folks trying to act like its a mystery and play the "nobody knows" card along with the "shock the world" card. It's played out. It's like a kid saying he's gonna shock the world and committing to duke when they've been recruiting him the most anyway. After the announcement everyone's shaking their head going "I thought we were going to be shocked". Being shocked is picking cal Berkeley or Murray state. They do that to get attention and for people to watch. Makes me more and more sure that he's going to Oregon.
A well written, well considered, logical and reasonable post. Good horse sense. The cupboard is not bare, regardless of the premature reports of the death of recruiting by the Cats.
You should be ashamed of yourself. I don't think such things as logic are permitted here.
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Big Blue Express on Twitter said things are sounding good from UK. We will see. Hoping he picks UK!
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