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Hypocrisy in Regards to Diallo

To all the people who say "well it won't change Cal to complain" or "fans are just being selfish" I say to you, where do you think UK basketball would be without fans? Seriously? Without fan support there wouldn't be a Kentucky basketball team. The team needs us just as badly as we need them, if not more so.

I think it's perfectly fine for fans to voice their opinions or dissatisfaction about things if they want to. Sports are just like anything else, without an audience who is willing to pay for merchandise, tickets, and tune in to the broadcasts so sponsors can spend money to sell more stuff to us, then they wouldn't exist. It's naïve to think that any program is too great for it to listen to it's fans. That's how changes get made.

I'm personally not going to lose any sleep over this either way. The situation does aggregate me, but I'm not going to complain about it. I sure don't begrudge those who do though. It's their right as fans.
 
I just skipped all the posts to say "I sure hope that Diallo plays for the Cats next year". GO CATS!!
 
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It's amazing to read the responses in these threads about Diallo. It's as if Cal himself is writing them.

Our fans have bought in. They are all in on this deal. We have fans defending the NBA like it were a family member or dear friend. We poke fun at other programs that get players to stick around as if they somehow are selfish and only care about themselves. The brainwashing that has happened is just incredible. If you are watching UK basketball just to see how many players are going pro, and even worse, if you are bragging about it, then you are brainwashed.

If I were a UL fan, or any team for that matter, and a UK fan bragged about pros and draft picks I would laugh my ass off. I would say "how many titles has that gotten you"?
 
TankedCat said:
a 19 year old making a huge mistake. its not exactly earth shattering.
Diallo's first obligation is to do what is best for him.

Does it really matter if he goes first in the draft or doesn't get drafted? If he believes he is doing what is best for him, then with or without Cal's blessing, with or without the support of the fan base, Diallo is following thru on what he came to UK for - to get his shot at the league.

I don't believe the angst shown here would be any different if he were the #1 draft pick. Everyone who is complaining would still be saying the same thing - that he has an obligation to play for UK.

The problem here is we keep projecting our values, our loyalties onto these kids thinking that they should walk away from wealth they've never imagined just 2 years ago just to make a group of people that wouldn't have said boo to him otherwise had he chose Kansas , Duke or UNC happy.
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Tank, you are on fire in this thread
 
teenukfan15 said:
To all the people who say "well it won't change Cal to complain" or "fans are just being selfish" I say to you, where do you think UK basketball would be without fans? Seriously? Without fan support there wouldn't be a Kentucky basketball team. The team needs us just as badly as we need them, if not more so.

I think it's perfectly fine for fans to voice their opinions or dissatisfaction about things if they want to. Sports are just like anything else, without an audience who is willing to pay for merchandise, tickets, and tune in to the broadcasts so sponsors can spend money to sell more stuff to us, then they wouldn't exist. It's naïve to think that any program is too great for it to listen to it's fans. That's how changes get made.

I'm personally not going to lose any sleep over this either way. The situation does aggregate me, but I'm not going to complain about it. I sure don't begrudge those who do though. It's their right as fans.
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Big difference in having a complaint versus having a full blown meltdown, verbally attacking a kid and allowing their decision to have any control or effect over your life as a fan. Their expectations of this kid are all the matters to him and what may be best for him and his family has no bearing to them because it doesn't fit what they selfishly want. That's not a fan, that's a selfish loser who has likely never had an real opportunities in life to compare this to.
 
theGspot said:
Every college team that brings in potential NBA players is essentially an NBA developmental team. They are after all developing this players to make it in the NBA. What's wrong with preparing them to play at a higher level?

We have kids coming in and practicing a couple months then jumping? It's happened once so far and as you said, " he hasn't jumped yet"

This is still college, you're correct! But what is the ultimate point if going to college?

I can imagine what kind of run we would be
on if our players stick around, it's very likely the same type of run we are currently on. For decades we had players return and a vast majority even stayed four years and got degrees. Guess what? We still only have 8 titles. Lots of other teams, KU, DUKE, UNC, Zona etc.. are able to get their players to stick around and they still don't win at any higher percentage than we do. Your's and several other definition of success is defined by national championships, but by your own standards we aren't a very successful program if that's the only measuring stick.

This is all very simple. The NBA pays and typically pays well. College doesn't and (unless you're at UNC) you have to attend classes, have restrictions on the amount of coaching you can receive each week and a lot of rules you have to follow from the NCAA. Money trumps all and that's just the world we live in. No one here is going to pass up millions, I can't imagine why anyone would expect a teenager who has worked his ass off to get in this position would either. Get over yourselves and what you want and accept that what the players want is far more important to them than you.
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I could give a rats azz what he does this summer. I always knew he would declare because he said as much. I have no problem with him going and making millions.

My issue has always been he should've been playing when he got here. He was on scholarship, elite, skilled, and healthy. Likely cost us a final four and maybe even more.
 
He/Diallo should have to pay back the tuition, and the cost of his stay, if he stays in the draft, which he is going to do..This isn't some sort of altruism thing that Cal tries to make everyone believe he's doing. It's beyond ridiculous. How many way more deserving smart kids deserved a scholarship who couldn't afford to pay for college. Cal and Diallo are making a mockery of the value of an education. How many kids are way more deserving and others in debt with student loans, but this guy can get everything for free because he can jump high and never fulfill his obligation?. It's not the money it's the principle.
 
43toeat77 said:
It's amazing to read the responses in these threads about Diallo. It's as if Cal himself is writing them.

Our fans have bought in. They are all in on this deal. We have fans defending the NBA like it were a family member or dear friend. We poke fun at other programs that get players to stick around as if they somehow are selfish and only care about themselves. The brainwashing that has happened is just incredible. If you are watching UK basketball just to see how many players are going pro, and even worse, if you are bragging about it, then you are brainwashed.

If I were a UL fan, or any team for that matter, and a UK fan bragged about pros and draft picks I would laugh my ass off. I would say "how many titles has that gotten you"?
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It's gotten us 1 title and 4 final fours. It keeps us relevant and in discussions to win again every year. ESPN, Fox sports and so forth have constant mention of us on their pages and broadcast all season long. We are contender for almost every top recruit. Our basketball program alone generates more money than most athletic programs. We are literally relevant everywhere in the world. People respect and try to be us, i.e. Stripper gate! So not really sure what a Louisville fan would have to laugh at? I believe we have more wins than any other team since Cal has been here, and I for one have had a hell of a good time enjoying the ride each season excluding the year Noel got hurt. So, if that's brainwashed, I'll be happy to stay that way as long as Cal wants to be here.
 
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BlueRunner11 said:
I could give a rats azz what he does this summer. I always knew he would declare because he said as much. I have no problem with him going and making millions.

My issue has always been he should've been playing when he got here. He was on scholarship, elite, skilled, and healthy. Likely cost us a final four and maybe even more.
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What if he played and cost us the first rd game, or 2nd rd game or sw 16 game? Would you still feel happy he played. What if he caused chemistry issues? Still feel good about it then? What if he got injured because he wasn't really prepared to go at this level yet? Still be happy he played then? So what you are really saying is he didn't give you what YOU want so it doesn't matter to you. I have 5 y/o with that level of mentality. Maybe we should set you all up with a play date.
 
J. Shellacque said:
He/Diallo should have to pay back the tuition, and the cost of his stay, if he stays in the draft, which he is going to do..This isn't some sort of altruism thing that Cal tries to make everyone believe he's doing. It's beyond ridiculous. How many way more deserving smart kids deserved a scholarship who couldn't afford to pay for college. Cal and Diallo are making a mockery of the value of an education. How many kids are way more deserving and others in debt with student loans, but this guy can get everything for free because he can jump high and never fulfill his obligation?. It's not the money it's the principle.
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You do realize the money for his scholorship wasn't paid for by UK, right? Him having a scholarship took no money or funds from any other student or potential recipient. That money was just sitting there waiting to be used by someone and would have just been kept by the NCAA had he not taken it. Some of you all really need to learn what you're talking about and really are mad about. I think if some of you all educated yourselves you might be a little less upset.
 
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Who paid for it? This is rich.......the guy used UK as a practice facility for 4 months or so. He obviously didn't pay his tuition. Who payed for his books?
 
TankedCat said:
The best thing that happened to Mitch Barnhart is Cal. With Gillispie and Joker on his resume he isn't about to chase off the golden goose over a kid declaring for the draft without playing for us.

not now, not ever. And if anyone above, lateral or below Mitch went after Cal over a kid declaring early for the draft, Mitch would meet them at the door and escort them back to the parking lot.
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Hyperbole much? I never said Mitch would do anything. I also didn't say higher ups would "go after" Cal. However it wouldn't surprise me if higher ups had a sit down with Cal to better understand what transpired and to discuss whether or not the situation would ever happen again.

I personally believe there is a limit to our players first mindset and we have all just seen it.
 
BigBlueFanGA said:
Hyperbole much? I never said Mitch would do anything. I also didn't say higher ups would "go after" Cal. However it wouldn't surprise me if higher ups had a sit down with Cal to better understand what transpired and to discuss whether or not the situation would ever happen again.

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Concerned Higher Ups: We'd like to talk to you about this Diallo situation and how we can make sure it never happens again

Cal: Well we can start with I am the coach and if you don't like it, I'll go to the NBA, and you guys can try to hire Shaka Smart

Concerned Higher Ups: We'll just shut up now and go back to regularly scheduled programming.
 
J. Shellacque said:
Who paid for it? This is rich.......the guy used UK as a practice facility for 4 months or so. He obviously didn't pay his tuition. Who payed for his books?
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Ever heard of this thing called the NCAA? Wel let me break it down for you. They provide 13 full scholarships to eligible basketball players each year. That full scholorship covers the FULL cost of tuition and tuition related expenses, i.e. Books, housing, food, parking pass and a small stipend for other expenses.
 
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BigBlueFanGA said:
Hyperbole much? I never said Mitch would do anything. I also didn't say higher ups would "go after" Cal. However it wouldn't surprise me if higher ups had a sit down with Cal to better understand what transpired and to discuss whether or not the situation would ever happen again.

I personally believe there is a limit to our players first mindset and we have all just seen it.
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Was that practice facility somehow built or modified especially for Diallo? Were those coaches not going to be coaching if he didn't come here?
 
BlueDevilWildcat said:
There really are some people for whom the ends (winning in this case) justify almost anything. You know how many kind and moral people feel the way you do? Zero. I'm going to show your message to my 4 and 6 year olds as exactly the opposite of how a good person behaves. Thanks for that.
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be sure to point out that Diallo is doing what is best for him and his family. I'd hate for Diallo to have a 4 and 6 year old one day living off of daddy's income of selling insurance when they could have had millions from his NBA days so yours can watch him for 1 year wearing a UK uniform. I'd love to know how you spin that into how a good person behaves

priorities
 
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Good for him......using Cal as he did. I wish him well, but I think his character will catch up with him in the end.
 
theGspot said:
Was that practice facility somehow built or modified especially for Diallo? Were those coaches not going to be coaching if he didn't come here?
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You aren't very good at allocating expenses, you have a typically superficial view. But I'm more interested in how the NCAA "provides" scholarships.

Care to support that?
 
theGspot said:
How did he use Cal?
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Who knows what would have happened if he went to UConn. We only know he came to Lexington. He never played.....some say he declined, some say Cal wasn't going to play him. Bottom line is that we could have used him in the tournament. He wasn't hurt...we needed a 3 defender
 
BigBlueFanGA said:
You aren't very good at allocating expenses, you have a typically superficial view. But I'm more interested in how the NCAA "provides" scholarships.

Care to support that?
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I'm not good at allocating expenses, but yet you've listed no expenses which need to allocated? Seems a bit odd.

What part don't you not understand or need help with? Do you not understand how the money is exchanged or how the NCAA gets the money? It's pretty simple really. The NCAA, you know the billion dollar organization that oversees college athletics? Well, they decided years ago that they would allocate funds for eligile student-athletes to be able to attend college expense free. The school gets to choose who they would like to extend those offers to and upon review by a clearinghouse, those athletes are then cleared and the funds for that scholorship are then dispersed by the NCAA to the university. The university accounting dept credits and debits those funds accordingly and provides the athlete with money from the stipend. If that scholorship is never used then the NCAA keeps and allocates it to other areas of their organization.
 
J. Shellacque said:
Who knows what would have happened if he went to UConn. We only know he came to Lexington. He never played.....some say he declined, some say Cal wasn't going to play him. Bottom line is that we could have used him in the tournament. He wasn't hurt...we needed a 3 defender
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There's no guarantee he's even a good or adequate defender. That is completly hypothetical and assumption driven. Having a good defender wasn't going to change the refs. He likely would have been 5 more fouls and countless FT attempts for UNC.
 
theGspot said:
I'm not good at allocating expenses, but yet you've listed no expenses which need to allocated? Seems a bit odd.

What part don't you not understand or need help with? Do you not understand how the money is exchanged or how the NCAA gets the money? It's pretty simple really. The NCAA, you know the billion dollar organization that oversees college athletics? Well, they decided years ago that they would allocate funds for eligile student-athletes to be able to attend college expense free. The school gets to choose who they would like to extend those offers to and upon review by a clearinghouse, those athletes are then cleared and the funds for that scholorship are then dispersed by the NCAA to the university. The university accounting dept credits and debits those funds accordingly and provides the athlete with money from the stipend. If that scholorship is never used then the NCAA keeps and allocates it to other areas of their organization.
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I did not know that. So, if that's true, then why does a school like UNCheat get to be all high and mighty about the NCAA trying to tell them which classes they can give to athletes? Seems like the NCAA would have the right to say if you are getting money from us to "educate" said athlete, then that money comes with strings.
 
SilentsAreGolden said:
I did not know that. So, if that's true, then why does a school like UNCheat get to be all high and mighty about the NCAA trying to tell them which classes they can give to athletes? Seems like the NCAA would have the right to say if you are getting money from us to "educate" said athlete, then that money comes with strings.
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They don't run or regulate the school or academics just athletics. And they are saying what UNC did was wrong and are investigating it, but they very likely won't do anything about it.
 
theGspot said:
I'm not good at allocating expenses, but yet you've listed no expenses which need to allocated? Seems a bit odd.

What part don't you not understand or need help with? Do you not understand how the money is exchanged or how the NCAA gets the money? It's pretty simple really. The NCAA, you know the billion dollar organization that oversees college athletics? Well, they decided years ago that they would allocate funds for eligile student-athletes to be able to attend college expense free. The school gets to choose who they would like to extend those offers to and upon review by a clearinghouse, those athletes are then cleared and the funds for that scholorship are then dispersed by the NCAA to the university. The university accounting dept credits and debits those funds accordingly and provides the athlete with money from the stipend. If that scholorship is never used then the NCAA keeps and allocates it to other areas of their organization.
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Wow, lol, so you can't show a single link to support this? Restating your opinion in progressively more arrogant terms doesn't work here.

So, I guess your theory says Harvard players get the same benefit from the NCAA?
 
theGspot said:
They don't run or regulate the school or academics just athletics. And they are saying what UNC did was wrong and are investigating it, but they very likely won't do anything about it.
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Then why do they get to be so invested in the kids' academics before they get to college, but not while they are there? Either be consistent or stay out of the academic side altogether.
 
SilentsAreGolden said:
Then why do they get to be so invested in the kids' academics before they get to college, but not while they are there? Either be consistent or stay out of the academic side altogether.
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You have to make sure that are eligible and have actually earned their right academically to attend the school of choice. If two players have the same coursework, GPA and test scores, one should be allowed admission just because they play sports.
 
43toeat77 said:
It's amazing to read the responses in these threads about Diallo. It's as if Cal himself is writing them.

Our fans have bought in. They are all in on this deal. We have fans defending the NBA like it were a family member or dear friend. We poke fun at other programs that get players to stick around as if they somehow are selfish and only care about themselves. The brainwashing that has happened is just incredible. If you are watching UK basketball just to see how many players are going pro, and even worse, if you are bragging about it, then you are brainwashed.

If I were a UL fan, or any team for that matter, and a UK fan bragged about pros and draft picks I would laugh my ass off. I would say "how many titles has that gotten you"?[/QUO It got us 1 title and 4 final fours. I love it. It is great to always be in the conversation for final fours and titles. Go back to the Louisville board where you belong.
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It got us 1 title and 4 final fours. We love it. Go back to the Louisville board where you belong.
 
theGspot said:
You have to make sure that are eligible and have actually earned their right academically to attend the school of choice. If two players have the same coursework, GPA and test scores, one should be allowed admission just because they play sports.
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I understand that is their reasoning, but it doesn't make sense to care about their academics enough to say who gets the scholarship, but then to be completely hands off after that.
 
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