Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
I would argue what Cal did at UMass is just as impressive as what any coach has done anywhere. Pitino at Providence. Calhoun at UConn. Few at Gonzaga.Mark Few turned Gonzaga from a regional school to a national program. Yeah he hasn’t won a title yet and he may never win one but what he’s done at Gonzaga is far more HoF worthy than either Calipari or Bill Self.
I would argue what Cal did at UMass is just as impressive as what any coach has done anywhere. Pitino at Providence. Calhoun at UConn. Few at Gonzaga.
I would say he needs to strengthen his schedule a bit so his team is prepared to play the better competition come tournament time.Mark Few turned Gonzaga from a regional school to a national program. Yeah he hasn’t won a title yet and he may never win one but what he’s done at Gonzaga is far more HoF worthy than either Calipari or Bill Self.
Few has done it over a long period much like Calhoun did at UConn.But I’m going to go out on a limb and say the way Mark Few has done it will show to be far more sustainable than UMass.
Few has done it over a long period much like Calhoun did at UConn.
Few may or may not ever win a title but he has taken Gonzaga to the upper tier.To damn bad they dont have football.they would fit right in at the Pac12.Better competition anyway.
That I agree with. I think Gonzaga will look to sustain where they are by getting a good coach to replace Few when he retires.But I’m going to go out on a limb and say the way Mark Few has done it will show to be far more sustainable than UMass.
I wondered why BYU was never looked at by the Pac12.I mean they took Utah but I just thought from a football standpoint,BYU was far superior.Even if they had football the PAC 12 wouldn’t take them. The Cal schools want no part of a private religious school. It’s why BYU never even got a sniff.
The perfect place for them is the Big East but it’s just not economically feasible.
The fact Few can get Gonzaga to a #1 seed is impressive in of itself.
Sorry, had to chime in on this one.Even if they had football the PAC 12 wouldn’t take them. The Cal schools want no part of a private religious school. It’s why BYU never even got a sniff.
The perfect place for them is the Big East but it’s just not economically feasible.
Okay who should have been a 1 seed? certainly not Baylor imo, but the Bears were super glued to the 1 seed line with none of the injuries ever taken into account. So not Gonzaga, not Baylor, not Duke, who should have had a top seed? Kansas and.....They should not have been a 1 seed. He has tricked the committee into thinking a 3 loss Gonzaga should be the number 1 overall instead of a Power 5 team with more losses. It used to be if Gonzaga lost more than 1 game they would drop them to a 2. They get more respect now...for playing in the same middle school conference as always.
Impressive perhaps based on how he's figured out how to game the metrics by front loading a few P5 teams early in the season (before they've hit their strides), then skating it out in the WCC.The fact Few can get Gonzaga to a #1 seed is impressive in of itself.
I don't believe anything because I don't know anything about why the PAC-12 won't accept those schools. That's why I asked you - is it really because they're private and religious, or was that just your theory?Okay bub. Believe what you want. But it’s well known in circles that schools like Stanford and Berkeley would vote against a Gonzaga being in the Pac12. Just like they’ve mixed BYU over the years.
I don't believe anything because I don't know anything about why the PAC-12 won't accept those schools. That's why I asked you - is it really because they're private and religious, or was that just your theory?
We all know about the football part, but BYU has all of that, so why not let them in? Especially a state that's as "liberal" (trying to avoid politics here because I hate politics) as California. Surely there are other tangible, logical reasons to deny their entry?
Are they actually a perennial power? or just a team that gets 30 wins in the WCC and then bows out at the 1st sign of adversity in the tournament? Like when a team like Murray State from a comparable conference has a 30 win season they get a 7-Seed. Why do people treat Gonzaga different?Few is a very good coach. And created something huge, a perennial power. BUT, to go one step further will be difficult when they rarely play anyone Jan through mid-March.
I am surprised he has not started scheduling 2-3 Power 5 games in Jan & Feb for his teams, just to keep them fresh for the competition a competitive team provides.
I know that BYU is Mormon, but that's about as far as I go with knowing much about them.Yes. More the religious part than the private part. BYU has been trying to get into the PAC 12 for decades. I don’t know how much you know about BYU but suffice it to say the Cali schools don’t want to be associated with any of that nonsense. Which is why they took Utah.
I always thought BYU was a natural fit for the Pac12.I don't believe anything because I don't know anything about why the PAC-12 won't accept those schools. That's why I asked you - is it really because they're private and religious, or was that just your theory?
We all know about the football part, but BYU has all of that, so why not let them in? Especially a state that's as "liberal" (trying to avoid politics here because I hate politics) as California. Surely there are other tangible, logical reasons to deny their entry?
I know that BYU is Mormon, but that's about as far as I go with knowing much about them.
But still, I'd be surprised if it was public knowledge that the sole reason the PAC-12 has denied BYU is because of their religion. Definitely not due to being private because Stanford is also a private institution.
BYU suspended their second best player in the 2011 NCAA tourney run because he had sex.BYU and to a lesser extent Gonzaga are very conservative schools. BYU has some batshit policies relating to student life.
There are places you can go on the Internet and talk to folks about this. People informed on it. There’s been some good discussions about it on R/CFB over the years.
It’s like an open secret on how the Cali schools view religious schools and how they don’t want them in the pac 12. And they hold the power.
Did a quick Google search and you appear to be onto something, but it seems to be more around their religiosity prevents them from playing on a Sunday (per a Bleacher Report opinion piece). This makes no sense because all NCAA games are on a Thursday night or Saturday as far as I know.Yes. More the religious part than the private part. BYU has been trying to get into the PAC 12 for decades. I don’t know how much you know about BYU but suffice it to say the Cali schools don’t want to be associated with any of that nonsense. Which is why they took Utah.
To me....the major difference and the major point is....Few is at Gonzaga, a school nobody knew existed a before the turn of the century in reality.Sorry, had to chime in on this one.
You're saying California purposely ignores schools wanting to enter the Pac-12 solely because they are private and religious? Where did they specifically cite this as the reason for not having them (BYU as the example), or is this your made up theory?
And our opinions on Few are vastly different (note how I'm not saying you're "wrong", just that we have differing opinions - trying to prevent a confrontation around here, which is easy to do without much effort!). IMO, he's an average coach that took 20+ years to get Gonzaga where it is today, who plays in a cheeseball conference and gets rewarded with an overseeding every year. Someone yesterday posted their "path" to the two finals they've made - they were like the rivers parted for Moses. He does deserve credit for what he's done for Gonzaga, but then that's where the praise ends - sprinkle in a few tougher P5 teams Jan-March and then we'll see how that goes.
The Twitter poster, to me, is accurate - 0/6 as a 1 seed is pretty crappy given all the hype he/they get each year from the media. Hell, 1/5 for Cal is crappy, and I'm surprised to see 2/10 for K given how everyone (mostly media) thinks he is the game's best coach.
Let's just put it this way - if they were talking about Calipari instead of Few, you'd be all over it frothing from the mouth like a rabid dog ready to pounce (and there are examples this week of exactly that scenario). But somehow Few gets a pass....interesting how poisoned our fan base has become with this idea that our coach blows donkey crotch (he does need to fix some shit and do it quickly), but other coaches with similar or worse credentials are showered with praise with all sorts of justifications and deflections from their glaring failures.
DISCLAIMER: This is not an "UP CAL'S ASS" defense post. It is a comparison of how illogical we look by showering praise on one coach for performance data that they would never praise if it were Calipari's.
To me his teams performance in the tourney the last 4 years debunks this. 2 FF's and 2 title games. At freaking Gonzaga. Come on. That's a lot better than some guy at a true Blue Blood program in the same time frame.Impressive perhaps based on how he's figured out how to game the metrics by front loading a few P5 teams early in the season (before they've hit their strides), then skating it out in the WCC.
I'm not taking away from Few's building Gonzaga to where they are - I'll give him that. And he appears to be a decent Xs/Os coach. I guess I'm beating more on the media for hyping them every year only to see them go down, regularly, in March. I suppose it's best to frame this as "poor Few and Gonzaga - getting overseeded makes them the victim of being the media darling" rather than saying Few is just not as amazing as people make him out to be.
I believe it. PAC 12 is SJW central. No way they want BYU or Gonzaga because of their core beliefs and policies.I don't believe anything because I don't know anything about why the PAC-12 won't accept those schools. That's why I asked you - is it really because they're private and religious, or was that just your theory?
We all know about the football part, but BYU has all of that, so why not let them in? Especially a state that's as "liberal" (trying to avoid politics here because I hate politics) as California. Surely there are other tangible, logical reasons to deny their entry?
Dude...what has happened....you're a really smart guy....in this woke nation now....appearance is everything now....you know this would be an issue for most PAC 12 schools if not all of themI know that BYU is Mormon, but that's about as far as I go with knowing much about them.
But still, I'd be surprised if it was public knowledge that the sole reason the PAC-12 has denied BYU is because of their religion. Definitely not due to being private because Stanford is also a private institution.
I did a quick search and did find some opinion pieces around the exclusion of BYU from the PAC-12. Didn't make any sense - the "because they won't play on Sundays due to their Mormon religious beliefs". Bizarre given all NCAA football games are played on Saturdays and the occasional Thursday night.Dude...what has happened....you're a really smart guy....in this woke nation now....appearance is everything now....you know this would be an issue for most PAC 12 schools if not all of them
But……do they deserve their one seeds? Why do they get a one seed after beating a couple decent teams in November and December? They play nobody for almost 3 months. SOS is always in the 100s. Over half their games were against quad 4 teams..,,QUAD 4!!!!!!!The fact Few can get Gonzaga to a #1 seed is impressive in of itself.
Re BYU this has been going on for a lot longer than that. It’s not some new development in the last few years.I believe it. PAC 12 is SJW central. No way they want BYU or Gonzaga because of their core beliefs and policies.
I still think Arizona should have been . Actually, I had zero problems with any of the 1 seed choices.Okay who should have been a 1 seed? certainly not Baylor imo, but the Bears were super glued to the 1 seed line with none of the injuries ever taken into account. So not Gonzaga, not Baylor, not Duke, who should have had a top seed? Kansas and.....