But it was hard to blame those on Trump. Or media wasn't capable/didn't realize the power they had to cause mass hysteria by simply pounding this down the pleebs throats.
Coronavirus confirmed near Nashville.
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Great I have to go to Louisville area for the weekend in a couple weeks for my son's tournament.
Remember the kid from Barbourville who was quarantined last month right before the outbreak? got quiet awful quick. Anyways.
70s - Ebola, Ice age will make most of the northern hemisphere uninhabitable.
80s - Acid Rain will kill farmlands and poison water
90s - Bird Flu, hole in the ozone layer is gonna fry us
00s - SARS, H1N1, Y2K, terrorist, & super hurricanes
10s - MERS, Bird Flu, global warming
20s - Corona Virus
I’m still kicking.
70s - Ebola, Ice age will make most of the northern hemisphere uninhabitable.
80s - Acid Rain will kill farmlands and poison water
90s - Bird Flu, hole in the ozone layer is gonna fry us
00s - SARS, H1N1, Y2K, terrorist, & super hurricanes
10s - MERS, Bird Flu, global warming
20s - Corona Virus
I’m still kicking.
And how different is that from most Johns Hopkins games?
Banks don't lower rates for a virus, rates go down when the bond yield drops & the bond yield drops when the stock market tanks & the stock market tanks because businesses take losses due to the panic over the virus not the virus itself.
Lot of noise around the virus.
What we DO know is the NCAA has a group considering options should they need to do something regarding the Tourney. So they at least consider it serious enough to address.
I can tell you the SEC and Nashville officials have a similar group monitoring both the situation nationally and in Tennessee in case they feel the need to close the seating down for the SEC Tourney.
I have no reason to believe they'll go that far, but the fact those discussions are even occuring is pretty freaking crazy considering how quickly things moved the past 2 months. The Olympics considering various steps as well?
Global economic impact, regardless of the realities of the virus, is already under way.
What we DO know is the NCAA has a group considering options should they need to do something regarding the Tourney. So they at least consider it serious enough to address.
I can tell you the SEC and Nashville officials have a similar group monitoring both the situation nationally and in Tennessee in case they feel the need to close the seating down for the SEC Tourney.
I have no reason to believe they'll go that far, but the fact those discussions are even occuring is pretty freaking crazy considering how quickly things moved the past 2 months. The Olympics considering various steps as well?
Global economic impact, regardless of the realities of the virus, is already under way.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-korea-tested-140-000-031000719.html
This proves what I've been trying to say with much pushback by certain experts here. This virus is far more widespread than currently believed and also less dangerous than believed. If testing was more readily available and all sick people went to get tested, the mortality rate would be a fraction of the current reports.
This proves what I've been trying to say with much pushback by certain experts here. This virus is far more widespread than currently believed and also less dangerous than believed. If testing was more readily available and all sick people went to get tested, the mortality rate would be a fraction of the current reports.
That will be wonderful news if it ultimately proves to be the case. However, it misses the point regarding why many have taken issue with your posts.
The heart of your argument has been that this is a media hyped event that has caused unnecessary widespread panic. That assertion is demonstrably false.
The reason people are concerned about this is because governments and public health officials have taken actions that are vastly different from how things like the flu are handled.
As an example, one cruise ship with infected passengers was denied port by five different Asian countries and was escorted back to sea by one of those country’s navy.
Those types of things do not happen with the flu and none of those types of actions are media driven. Those are real events that have occurred and were merely reported which, as a result, have caused people to sit up and pay a more attention to this.
If in the end this proves to be no big deal, then that’s great. But the only way you can conclude that this is simply a media driven event is by willfully ignoring the facts about how governments have been responding.
Flu season is hitting its stride right now in the US. So far, the CDC has estimated (based on weekly influenza surveillance data) that at least 12,000 people have died from influenza between Oct. 1, 2019 through Feb. 1, 2020, and the number of deaths may be as high as 30,000.
You need to be more concerned about the flu than the corona virus.
You need to be more concerned about the flu than the corona virus.
Not to start an argument, but the flu virus does do what you say it does not. It kills people in nursing homes and clusters, of people if those people are old or have underling health problems. The CDC estimates that from October 1, 2019 to February 22, 2020, the flu has killed 18,000 to 46,000 in the United States, and has sickened 32,000,000 to 45,000,000. It makes a lot of people sick every year and kills primarily those who have underlying medical problems and the old. It is not news because it happens every year. I am not downplaying Covid19 because i am 82, and if i get it i would be one more likely to die. I had the flu in 1959 when i was 21 that put me in bed for a week and a half, and again in 1991 when i was 53 that put me in bed for a week. Either one of those strains would probably kill me now, even though i am reasonably healthy for an 82 year old.
If they don’t shut down the NCAA tournament attendance because of the flu, then they sure as hell shouldn’t do it because of this virus.
You would think the corona virus was the purple cloud of Fortnite closing in on us with no where to escape and elimination inevitable. Good grief. The virus appears to be similar to the flu in many ways except it affects the respiratory system more than the flu. Those with underlying respiratory conditions are more at risk and should take this seriously. For the rest of human kind this will likely be just another vaccine to take each year as a preventative measure like we do with the flu.
The alarmist media and politics have distorted this out of proportion. Big shocker, eh?
The alarmist media and politics have distorted this out of proportion. Big shocker, eh?
OK, its partially media driven and partially government overreaction. Sound better?
You guys are thinking too short sighted. If they play the games without crowds, it isn't because you as an individual spectator need to worry that you're going to catch this disease and die. The point is to control the spread of this NEW disease that we do not, as of now, have a vaccine for. We successfully stopped SARS from becoming an endemic, circulating disease by isolating people with it (though it for a number of reasons was much more containable than this. This disease, if it spreads as widely as flu, will be significantly more dangerous than flu is. That RIGHT NOW flu threatens you more is 100% irrelevant, because it isn't about the threat to you right now. It's about preventing this from spreading as widely as flu, isolating cases in hopes it can be stopped and will burn itself out. Or, at least, slowing the spread until we've learned more about it and developed effective treatments/vaccines.
We simply don't know it.
Coronavirus has been in the United states for Eons.
CO-VID 19 it new. We've been dealing with it for months, not years or decades.
Based on the data we have, the fatality rate is 2-3.4%. The influenza death rate is less than 1%.
There is absolutely an argument that China is underreporting cases to get people to go back to work.
BUT
What are you arguing over? This is a serious deal either way. If you're older and have health problems--getting this could kill you.
If you're young/healthy--you'll probably be fine. But if you get it and visit granny, granny may not be fine.
Sorry man, but you are not correct. Coronavirus isn't new, but this version is. My daughter has a trach and is on a ventilator and when she was inpatient (recovering from the trach procedure) she did have a coronavirus which is one of many forms of the common cold. The difference is people that have immunity issues can be treated with procedures similar to what my daughter gets regularly. Intubation or tracheostomy with ventilator support, oxygen, cough assist machines with the use of suction to deal with secretions and minimize the threat of developing pneumonia. With this strain none of that seems to be working for those that are most susceptible.
As someone mentioned earlier, there reason this is a big problem is people think it is just a common cold, and while that may be the case for the average person, it is lethal to those compromised respiratory systems. I'm not saying I think everything should be cancelled, but in my household the fear of it finding its way in somehow is very very real. It requires that people use good precautions and from what I've seen so far from the public, I'm not confident they are. And with respect to the flu, thousands do die from it, but most can be protected with flu shots. Not a guarantee, but certainly more defense than is presently available for this new virus.
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The exact same thing can be said about the flu or other bugs. I'm not saying this isn't dangerous and shouldn't be dealt with, but it is absolutely not more dangerous than the flu, so why are we willing to destroy our economy and ruin people's lives over covid, but not the flu?
When I'm sick with the cold, flu, strep, etc, I stay as far away from a nursing home as possible. This is absolutely no different in that regard.
The only difference is the insane level of panic. Ill be proven right on this, but it will come after our economy is wrecked and people are out of work. The destruction of our economy will hurt SIGNIFICANTLY more people than this virus.
There is NO vaccine and treatment isn't working on people that it normally would for the flu. I'm not saying we should overreact, but for the sake of people like my daughter please stop trying to be the expert on how it will turn out. You might be right and I hope you are, but that same attitude (and the problems so far with testing) will leave families like mine devastated because they've lost the people they love.
And SARS and MERS are both coronaviruses. Point being, they are dangerous AND can be managed with a well executed response.
My doctor told me yesterday YES some cases arent being reported but its not cause its safe to be out and about or they are not that sick. It's cause cdc doesnt have enough test kits. Not every hospital or health dept etc has the kits. People have to travel in some cases just to be tested. My nurses said its like we live in 3rd world compare to other countries. They are more prepared than we are
Not a boomer, but its even less surprising to see you snowflakes in here crying about the end of the world.
also not a boomer, but you doomers are slinging stones from a glass house.
if you have the flu, you know it. If you have this novel Coronavirus, you might just mistake it for a mild cold.
Therefore, you can’t get a real handle on the statistics, never mind 5e reliability of the data or insufficient testing
I know you mean well but this virus is out and spread is inevitable and efforts to contain it are futile. Trying to stop the flu wouldn't work and it won't for Corona. That is the reality of this. Shifting quarantine costs/resources over to treatment and research is also inevitable and, IMO, past due.
Ebola, on the other hand, is some serious shit and much different than a flu like virus. It needs to be contained at all costs.
Yep. My SIL has MS. My in-laws are in their late 70's. They still get around well and like to travel, but have some underlying health issues that they manage. In short, if any of them get this, they would all stand an excellent chance of being majorly touched. My parents and brother have been dead for years, but my wife could lose her entire immediate family in a matter of days.
That's the part some seem to dismiss or blame on overactive media or politics. Huge mistake.
My son, who lives and works near Nashville, called a couple days ago to inform me he was in Florida on business. I was just making conversation and said be careful and don’t catch the virus. He said bring it on, it’s just a variation of the cold.(he is 29). I reminded him that his grandfather,( my father), who is 87 and has chronic COPD , would almost certainly die if he became infected with it. He and my son are very close, and it kinda made him change his tune a bit. Sure, if you aren’t very old and have no health issues, it’s probably not that big a deal to you, but most of us have family or friends that it would be a big deal to.
On the issue of mild cases not being caught, South Korea is a good example to look at because they are testing huge numbers of people:
0.6% is still significantly worse than the flu (on average 0.1%), but obviously much much less bad than 2% or 3.4%. It's still wise to try to keep this as contained as possible while a vaccine/treatments are worked on, because if as many people in the US caught this as caught swine flu in 2009 (CDC estimated 59 million people), and fatality rate was "only" half a percent, we'd be looking at almost 300,000 deaths. Even if it's not even that bad and it only kills 0.1%, without a vaccine it could spread rapidly and still kill significantly more than the typical season flu, and put a big burden on our healthcare system dealing with all the people needing to be admitted to ICU.
0.6% is still significantly worse than the flu (on average 0.1%), but obviously much much less bad than 2% or 3.4%. It's still wise to try to keep this as contained as possible while a vaccine/treatments are worked on, because if as many people in the US caught this as caught swine flu in 2009 (CDC estimated 59 million people), and fatality rate was "only" half a percent, we'd be looking at almost 300,000 deaths. Even if it's not even that bad and it only kills 0.1%, without a vaccine it could spread rapidly and still kill significantly more than the typical season flu, and put a big burden on our healthcare system dealing with all the people needing to be admitted to ICU.
The WHO doesn't consider declaring a pandemic for no reason. It's a numbers game. Covid 19 has been declared more contagious than the flu and so far has a higher mortality rate. To demonstrate the dangers of this virus, look at the 1918 H1N1 pandemic which killed 50,000,000 out of 500,000,000 cases or 10%. If Covid 19 is more contagious than a flu virus, due to its nature we can expect more infected cases. With a 2% mortality rate the 1918 numbers would demonstrate 10,000,000 deaths. With unchecked spread, contamination numbers would climb. They are basically doubling every 4 days.
With proper containment measures and modern communication, which were not available in 1918, we have the ability to stop/slow the spread. That is the main concern. Now, you might be thinking, "more people died from the flu in 1918". You would be correct so far. However, there are many known factors in the spread of the 1918 flu. There were no vaccines, there was no instantaneous communication, proper hygiene was not common, epidemiology was not what it is today, medical care was no where near what it is today.
The drive of a virus is to propagate. This virus has been classified as easily transmissible. When it hits a person who is vulnerable due to underlying condition, age, etc it is more deadly than the flu. We take measures to stop the spread to protect the vulnerable parties.
Mortality rate of the flu is around .1% and Covid 19 is around 2%. People arguing about known and unknown cases are missing the point. Most flu deaths are not diagnosed as flu until they encounter complications from the flu. Majority of people with the flu go untested. So the mortality numbers come from the same demographic population as those with covid 19 - people displaying symptoms severe enough for testing. This has no effect on the danger of either virus.
Use the WHO, the CDC and other health organizations for your information. Ignore the rest.
With proper containment measures and modern communication, which were not available in 1918, we have the ability to stop/slow the spread. That is the main concern. Now, you might be thinking, "more people died from the flu in 1918". You would be correct so far. However, there are many known factors in the spread of the 1918 flu. There were no vaccines, there was no instantaneous communication, proper hygiene was not common, epidemiology was not what it is today, medical care was no where near what it is today.
The drive of a virus is to propagate. This virus has been classified as easily transmissible. When it hits a person who is vulnerable due to underlying condition, age, etc it is more deadly than the flu. We take measures to stop the spread to protect the vulnerable parties.
Mortality rate of the flu is around .1% and Covid 19 is around 2%. People arguing about known and unknown cases are missing the point. Most flu deaths are not diagnosed as flu until they encounter complications from the flu. Majority of people with the flu go untested. So the mortality numbers come from the same demographic population as those with covid 19 - people displaying symptoms severe enough for testing. This has no effect on the danger of either virus.
Use the WHO, the CDC and other health organizations for your information. Ignore the rest.
So just let the effective go around the weak. Hey weak just a strain on society huh? (Sarcasm)
We’ve seen this scam ever year practically since polio! Let’s review...
TPTB push through the media and government health officials, the next thing that’s going to kill us all.
Somehow, within days they report it’s something new, develop a test and give it a name, miraculously. (Shows up on cans of Lisol that have been stored for months!)
It started in some small town or region of the world, and inexplicably starts to a spread conveniently.
Mass hysteria ensues, markets plunge, people start wearing mask, and start staying home and not traveling.
They announce the vaccine has been developed, and people run out to get one!
Lastly, TPTB get to inject you with what they wanted to in the first place, something you otherwise would have never wanted in your body!
It works that simply!
So the end game is to screw up the economy so that "the powers that be" can inject us all with something? And what exactly is it that they are so eager to inject? And way?
You need to lower the dosage on whatever it is that you've been injecting in yourself.
But you have nothing to back up your claims it's not more dangerous than the flu. Current statistics suggest it is.
That’s the $1,000,000 question! All I know is, I’m not concerned about catching it, or getting the “cure”.
