Very true. It's just that when my Aspergers gets going, there's no stopping it and any ole excuse will do.
And all nights like tonight (due to the team, not the fans)...
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Very true. It's just that when my Aspergers gets going, there's no stopping it and any ole excuse will do.
And all nights like tonight (due to the team, not the fans)...
So we can agree to disagree. He has been a great coach. He either needs to change, or UK does.
Tubby’s last four years ended as:
Second round
Elite Eight
Second round
Second round
Cal’s past four years ended as:
Second round
Elite Eight
Sweet Sixteen
Elite Eight
Krzyzewski’s past four years ended as:
Sweet Sixteen
Second round
Elite Eight
Elite Eight
UNC did better because they have that ‘17 championship in there, but did worse before that. Kansas did better but their past ten years don’t include a championship.
If Jay Wright comes here how many months until these types start bitching about him?
No, Cal is not trying to ignore handwriting on a wall and he has not taken us remotely to the depths Tubby took us to when Tubby needed to be gone.
Not remotely.
Not anything like remotely.
Cal had a period of wild success, followed by a period of roughly equal success with all the most successful coaches in the country not named Jay Wright.
Losing to Utah tonight sucked.
Occasionally things in your life are gonna suck.
Maybe try being a man about it.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Second round
Elite Eight
Second round
Second round
Cal’s past four years ended as:
Second round
Elite Eight
Sweet Sixteen
Elite Eight
Krzyzewski’s past four years ended as:
Sweet Sixteen
Second round
Elite Eight
Elite Eight
UNC did better because they have that ‘17 championship in there, but did worse before that. Kansas did better but their past ten years don’t include a championship.
If Jay Wright comes here how many months until these types start bitching about him?
No, Cal is not trying to ignore handwriting on a wall and he has not taken us remotely to the depths Tubby took us to when Tubby needed to be gone.
Not remotely.
Not anything like remotely.
Cal had a period of wild success, followed by a period of roughly equal success with all the most successful coaches in the country not named Jay Wright.
Losing to Utah tonight sucked.
Occasionally things in your life are gonna suck.
Maybe try being a man about it.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm really sorry for any harshness in the analogy. I'm going through that as we speak, and I guess it's on my mind. I understand what a treasured pet can mean to any of us, and certainly don't mean to imply any actually correlation of emotion.
Deepest sympathy for your dog!
I don’t understand why it has to be one way or no way on this board. Can’t ppl agree that something needs to change without them hating Cal and UK? We ALL LOVE UK or we wouldn’t be here. Having a discussion amongst varied opinions always gets messy but we all agree that we love our team and that our team and it’s coaching isn’t very good right now, again.
So by that logic and blanket statement, personal effort (ie. non-effort) on the part of some players, not coaching, sinks us.
Remember, Cal almost left when the twins decided to come back. Supposedly he was halfway out the door. If the losses start to pile up, I have no illusions that he won't bolt for a NBA job.
But, life is going to continue to be tough for Cal. Losses like this one will plague him on the recruiting trail. Opposing coaches use games like this as ammo.
And yes, he will be under greater scrutiny each and every time one of his teams looks really bad and loses to a inferior opponent.
But, life is going to continue to be tough for Cal. Losses like this one will plague him on the recruiting trail. Opposing coaches use games like this as ammo.
And yes, he will be under greater scrutiny each and every time one of his teams looks really bad and loses to a inferior opponent.
I don’t think the fan base is divided, aside from a small percent of the base. Fans are, however, tired of the lack of offensive production and execution. There’s really no excuse for the players we recruit to be so offensively challenged. Cal needs to make some adjustments to his practice regiment and emphasize shooting and ball movement, particularly against zones. Defense will take you only so far. You still have to be able to score and not have long droughts.
I’m sorry for you and I wish you and your beloved the best. I took no offense. I know what you meant and you weren’t wrong. God bless you and your fur baby. I know how important they r to us.
There are those that think that if you're critical towards Calipari in the slightest way then you're not a UK fan. Its unfortunate but there are those that think that way.
You mean like the 2014 team that lost every road game in conference?
I do believe he needs to change his approach, but our program is as good as he's ever had it. Everyone states the 2015 year something changing??!! 2 years later we had one of the best recruiting classes we have had. Same for next season. This class was good aswell.
It's obvious these kids don't "get " his early season coaching style.
Turn up the speed, let the reigns loose and let our guards go to work.i would rather watch playground style as opposed to kids overthinking everything
If I coulld like this instead of love it, I would.
You’re right and those types are commonly known as morons.
Then that’s sad. Because Cal isn’t UK. He’s a coach. We existed before him, and for better or worse, we WILL exist after him. And he gets paid a LOT to lead us....
I threw one of them on ignore earlier today...I mean yesterday.
Now this I can get on board with. And I’m a huge Cal supporter.
I don’t think many of us think Cal is above ever being criticized, or that he can’t improve in some aspects. But goodness, some of the posts on this thread are just insanity.
I don't remember him almost leaving at that time. I do remember his yearly using the NBA for more money in his pocket, until he got the lifetime contract. There is no doubt in my mind that he's used the NBA's infatuation with his player development as leverage. It rubs me the wrong way. IMO his recent lack of success in the tourney has been used against him on the recruiting trail, and like you I believe it's only going to get worse.
And that is where I think two of his goals came in conflict. Go 40-0 or "get these guys drafted", and like you said....
Who knows how this season will end up, but if Cal’s history here tells us anything, he will.
And if he does, there are plenty of posts on here worth a good screenshot, lol.
No doubt...we had the players to win that game. And then his players first BS came into play. I’m happy he can give these kids a shot at big money but omg...that used to come with accomplishments in college. And I’m sorry if I don’t put some kids financial life ahead of my team. Call me selfish or petty or whatever. But I guess I am. I’d rather have #9 than him have a mansion. Sry. I’m a selfish bitch.
No, you're a TRUE FAN in my book. Where people went from UK fans to Cal fans, I don't know. It's like Democrats. Just allow whoever and whatever in, call everyone winners, and shucks maybe we'll get them tomorrow. I'm tired of the apathy. I'm tired of the kids not holding each other accountable. Enough of the "Breakfast Club" bullcrap. Show some accountability on the court. Act like you've been there. Stop all the stupid flexing on the sidelines or for the camera (looking at you, Hagans) when you're to losing to FREAKING UTAH AT HOME. The standards of this program, what we expect as fans, what the fans of college basketball in general, have slipped big time. It's a sickness.
When is the last time we had a one seed???? When Rupp is empty for SEC BC we sucked it up in the ooc, the apathy setting in. How will Barney afford to pay his salary ?????? Cals reckoning is coming sooner than I thought. We are 58 or whatever in the net and that will fall into the 60s. We don’t win UL and OSUthen we will be a 4 or 5 seed at best.the conference will not save us for seeding.
Cal is done here, no way he can win at this high level anymore, doesn't have offense coaching, loses to many players and not getting the good 5 stars to win
We have HIGH standards
We have HIGH standards
What’s this?? Another irrational panic stricken post by a purported UK fan after a UK loss
who contends, “we are witnessing the beginning of the end for Coach Cal at UK.” Context much? Historical record perspective much? Compare coaching success with other coaches much? Which coach does your knee jerk ridden crystal ball claim will do better at the UK job than Cal? Your cohorts in the FELLOWSHIP OF THE MISERABLE are waiting with hatred breath for your answer.
I'm particularly tired of watching UK teams come out without passion. What's the punishment for such lethargy?
Let’s just come back to this thread in two years and see who turns out to be right, shall we?
No need to wait two years. I’m sure we will see another of your “sky is falling” doomsday prognostications after the next UK loss or game where UK didn’t beat the spread.
That's just utterly dumb. Just plain dumb. We went to overtime in the Elite 8 last year and its falling apart? We get beat on a last second shot in the Elite 8 by the eventual National Champion and things are falling apart?? Another year we get beat in the Elite 8 and its falling apart? We've made 3 E8's in that period since 2015 and you say things are falling apart?
See, this is why people make fun of us. Sure, it's not a FF and definitely not a national championship but we are competing. That's all you can ask for as a fan. You wanna talk about all the BS calls that went against us during those runs? No, you dont cause it doesnt fit your agenda. Dont be unrealistic and dont be a tool. Could things be better at the moment? Absolutely! Are there issues at the moment? Yes! But dont be an asshat and act like the sky is falling. It's not easy to win a national title. Did you not see how lucky Virginia got in EVERY game of the NCAA tourney last year? It's really damn hard. I'm beginning to think our 10%ers are the dumbest of all 10%ers. Either they're the dumbest 10%ers or they're the most spoiled 10%ers of all fan bases. Cant figure that out.
Cal's not changing one thing that he does as a coach. Nothing. He is what he is. I agree with those who say that he is trending downward. No obvious offensive strategy except pass it around and shoot or drive to the basket and draw a foul. We let opposing teams control the tempo as if it's our coaching strategy. As someone else said earlier, we have to watch crappy basketball every year until February. I'm getting to the point that I don't watch all of every game because they are generally hard to watch. Cal can't be happy with his own coaching.
Cal never gets what use to be called pure shooters losing to inferior teams should not happen with all these 5 stars that Ky has. Next Ohio St. coming up which will be a good team.
The loss isn't as big of a concern to me as the mentality that you shouldn't care about a loss until March
You can talk about attendance being down for everyone, whatever - and that's a legitimate issue, but the overriding issue that everyone has to accept is that interest in UK basketball is way down in a state that lives for this sport and a team that has a national following.
For every person that says wait until March and dismisses losses like this you are adding another log to the funeral pyre of Kentucky basketball,. Even if you consider this a down period - we're still in the midst of a historic 10 year run (admittedly on the back end) and the fan base should be rabid about this program.
But its difficult for fans to have any connection to the team because we follow it in the abstract. Oh we lost to Utah? at an 11pm start time in Las Vegas? eh...whatever, who did we play last in Rupp? I can't remember, does it even matter?
This approach to college basketball is killing enthusiasm for the program and turning former dedicated fans into casual fans - and at the end of the day, the results are alot of press for UK but not much to show for it in the trophy case.
Some people here and ardent Cal supporters are quick to dismiss any tradition, any expectations or any outcome that doesn't fit the overall Calipari agenda regardless of how far back it goes or how ingrained to UK basketball it is - and those traditions, expectations and outcomes are the backbone to the long term success our program has sustained.
Wait until March has become the Ides of March to Kentucky Basketball
I'm not saying Cal needs to go, but I am saying the fan base needs to demand that Cal embraces UK basketball to the extent that he changes his approach, even if it means he has to give up some of his beloved standards like putting more kids in the NBA than anyone else. He needs to focus on making UK basketball connect to the fanbase more than it does now. And what we know is that sending kids to the NBA while playing teams at Rupp no one cares about early in the season while losing to teams like Kansas St and Auburn in the tournament isn't the standard for Kentucky basketball that he signed up to lead. Recruiting stud players isn't the goal of the program, that is an approach to meeting the goals of the program, And we're so wrapped up in this one and done because that is Cal's approach, his passion and its presented as this altruistic benevolence that I think many have lost site of the bigger picture. The bigger picture is NOT using the UK basketball program as a vessel to end generational poverty in a handful of kids who have a god given gift.
That's not a wait until March approach, that's a don't bother watching in November approach. We'll get the point where we *want* bandwagon fans , anyone , just to show interest in the program. Show up for Midnight Madness, and we'll see you again for the SEC tournament.
You can talk about attendance being down for everyone, whatever - and that's a legitimate issue, but the overriding issue that everyone has to accept is that interest in UK basketball is way down in a state that lives for this sport and a team that has a national following.
For every person that says wait until March and dismisses losses like this you are adding another log to the funeral pyre of Kentucky basketball,. Even if you consider this a down period - we're still in the midst of a historic 10 year run (admittedly on the back end) and the fan base should be rabid about this program.
But its difficult for fans to have any connection to the team because we follow it in the abstract. Oh we lost to Utah? at an 11pm start time in Las Vegas? eh...whatever, who did we play last in Rupp? I can't remember, does it even matter?
This approach to college basketball is killing enthusiasm for the program and turning former dedicated fans into casual fans - and at the end of the day, the results are alot of press for UK but not much to show for it in the trophy case.
Some people here and ardent Cal supporters are quick to dismiss any tradition, any expectations or any outcome that doesn't fit the overall Calipari agenda regardless of how far back it goes or how ingrained to UK basketball it is - and those traditions, expectations and outcomes are the backbone to the long term success our program has sustained.
Wait until March has become the Ides of March to Kentucky Basketball
I'm not saying Cal needs to go, but I am saying the fan base needs to demand that Cal embraces UK basketball to the extent that he changes his approach, even if it means he has to give up some of his beloved standards like putting more kids in the NBA than anyone else. He needs to focus on making UK basketball connect to the fanbase more than it does now. And what we know is that sending kids to the NBA while playing teams at Rupp no one cares about early in the season while losing to teams like Kansas St and Auburn in the tournament isn't the standard for Kentucky basketball that he signed up to lead. Recruiting stud players isn't the goal of the program, that is an approach to meeting the goals of the program, And we're so wrapped up in this one and done because that is Cal's approach, his passion and its presented as this altruistic benevolence that I think many have lost site of the bigger picture. The bigger picture is NOT using the UK basketball program as a vessel to end generational poverty in a handful of kids who have a god given gift.
That's not a wait until March approach, that's a don't bother watching in November approach. We'll get the point where we *want* bandwagon fans , anyone , just to show interest in the program. Show up for Midnight Madness, and we'll see you again for the SEC tournament.
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I know this is probably a stupid question, but what does CLOD stand for? I see that on here but I must have missed the explanation. Just asking.
its an acronym for Cal Legion of Doom I think
one or two members here ran it into the ground until it stuck in their attempt to shut down any criticism of Cal. Now instead of engaging in the discussion, they just pop on a thread that is critical and throw out CLOD every other sentence usually including some insults about intelligence, maturity or not being a "real" fan. That is what passes for rebuttal in their mind -
and they will justify it by saying real discussion isn't merited because Cal is doing a great job.
one or two members here ran it into the ground until it stuck in their attempt to shut down any criticism of Cal. Now instead of engaging in the discussion, they just pop on a thread that is critical and throw out CLOD every other sentence usually including some insults about intelligence, maturity or not being a "real" fan. That is what passes for rebuttal in their mind -
and they will justify it by saying real discussion isn't merited because Cal is doing a great job.
What is funny to me is I look at your post and I'm thinking who is he talking about. Then I click show ignored content. Yep.
What part about losing in the elite every year to teams like Kansas state, Auburn, and Indiana make these posts seem asinine?
You're not alone. Iv'e hated OAD since the beginning (I'm mid I'm 30s, not an old timer) and said we were all OK with the trade off if the results were there. Results means winning the big game on the schedule, like Duke last year, and not being owned by Tennessee and Rick Barnes.
When Cal was the lone wolf doing things this way it worked. Since 2015, it really hasn't. Sure, they've won games but we haven't been dominating teams on the scoreboard like we are capable of if we build a team for the college game.
I'm a Kentucky fan. I don't care about the NBA. When is it OK for the fans to do what's best for the fans? All we hear is "what about doing whats best for the kids?" The kids use UK and its vast support to further themselves, and as I lead off with, we are all OK with that when it's an equitable trade. That includes winning SEC reg and tourney titles. Not losing to Indiana K State and Auburn in the tournament. And acting like Kentucky's goals actually matter, and not just draft picks. I. Do. Not. Care. Eff the NBA.
I care about cohesive, well executed, team basketball at this level that adds to our storied tradition, and doesnt mortgage it on the cheap.
When Cal was the lone wolf doing things this way it worked. Since 2015, it really hasn't. Sure, they've won games but we haven't been dominating teams on the scoreboard like we are capable of if we build a team for the college game.
I'm a Kentucky fan. I don't care about the NBA. When is it OK for the fans to do what's best for the fans? All we hear is "what about doing whats best for the kids?" The kids use UK and its vast support to further themselves, and as I lead off with, we are all OK with that when it's an equitable trade. That includes winning SEC reg and tourney titles. Not losing to Indiana K State and Auburn in the tournament. And acting like Kentucky's goals actually matter, and not just draft picks. I. Do. Not. Care. Eff the NBA.
I care about cohesive, well executed, team basketball at this level that adds to our storied tradition, and doesnt mortgage it on the cheap.
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Have to wonder about the recruits. A lot of these guys just don't look as good as advertised and are more athletes than basketball players, which has been noted before. I realize that most are freshmen but the ceiling just doesn't look high.
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