People are tyrants because they’re telling you to not be a dick and wear a mask?
Would you obey a mask mandate?
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In some Asian countries people do commonly wear masks in public places. I'm not sure if that would ever catch on culturally here in the US, but I think to your point, after this is over people will realize there is some benefit to masks and you may see more people wearing them in public.
Why look at just the past year? To date, the flu has killed orders of magnitude more people than COVID-19. The question remains — why put COVID-19 on a pedestal? Other respiratory viruses kill, and will keep on killing, people too. The fact we’ve never mandated masks for the flu is irrelevant to the question of whether we should START doing it. Masks save lives, InfluenzaRyan, you’ve said it yourself, yet you don’t wanna wear them to save as many people as you can from dying, or else you’d be advocating for a perpetual national mask mandate
Don’t be a hypocrite, wear the mask forever.
No...each year we get thru TB, flu, flying saliva, etc...without a mask. We will continue each year without a mask sooner than later, given the "benefits" are highly debatable.
You do realize how stupid this statement is, right?
Is InfluenzaRyan the same as TyphoidMary?
Regardless, both need to be avoided
Regardless, both need to be avoided
So do you, or do you not, advocate wearing masks in perpetuity? (Remember, if you don’t advocate perpetual masks then you’re effectively saying it’s ok to potentially kill people by spreading the flu.)
I’m not talking about “catching on culturally.” I’m talking about the current push for a federal mask mandate and why we’d (as a nation) arbitrarily give preferential treatment to one deadly respiratory virus over another.
I don't get upset about much of anything but his comment about mental health kinda pissed me off.
If he was the caring person he thinks we should all be he wouldn't not say anything like that.
Suicide hotline calls went up 600%. Oh well, I guess they just need to be "mentally tougher"
What? You're the one choosing which lives are more important than others. Let's apply you're reasoning to an "essential worker" at kroger. If they got scared and didn't show up for work, would you keep them on the payroll? No, you'd fire them. Would they win a lawsuit? I doubt it considering Kentucky is an "at-will" state.
"If even one child dies is too many" isn't anything but a strawman argument. I don't want any child to die. Children, as well as adults, die daily of a myriad of reasons.
You just found out your son has a genetic marker for an autoimmune disease? I'm sorry. Kids are around sickness all the time at school. Colds, strep, and flu occur every year. Each of those are deadlier than this virus(statistically speaking). So I'm assuming he's been getting sicker more than usual? I hate it for him and your family. However, you can't just shut down schools. Absolutely there needs to be options for home schooling. There are small group home schools here in Warren county I believe. But we can't close all schools for a minority of teachers or students.
Now, I'd absolutely avoid the vaccine for him(I had an autoimmune response to the mmr vaccine) until next spring at least due to his health. I'd wait on it with most kids.
I appreciate your concern, man. Honestly. Apologies for the tone of my last post. I was up late drinking bourbon, and your post triggered me.
It's early, so we still don't have a lot of info. Yes, he gets sick for a couple of days every six weeks or so Been happening for the last couple of years.
Yes, people die all the time, kids and adults, but this virus has only been around for 6 months, so we can't quite compare it to the seasonal flu or strep that have established treatments and medical knowledge.
Like I said, some kids need to go to school for various reasons. Some probably don't right now. Both categories are in the minority so we can't ignore one in favor of the other.
There has to be some nuance to the decision-making because opening up every school is not the answer the same way that making all kids distance learn isn't the answer. In JCPS, over 1000 kids didn't even check in with their teachers after the shutdown this spring. On the flipside, some parents will 100% send their kids to school after testing positive for COVID-19 which puts kids like mine in danger.
IMO there needs to be optionally for both in person and remote schooling.
pretty overwhelming evidence that this virus is far less severe/deadly for kids than a normal seasonal flu.
My granddaughter is going to do the virtual stuff for the first trimester which goes until Xmas break. She can opt out and attend school after that if her parents approve. And I support that if that makes them comfortable.
I think she’ll be in school after the break because I truly believe a reasonable vaccine will be available by then. (Praying)
But I agree that kids need to get back to school ASAP.
I think she’ll be in school after the break because I truly believe a reasonable vaccine will be available by then. (Praying)
But I agree that kids need to get back to school ASAP.
Normal kids yes. Kids with underlying conditions maybe not. Why take the chance?
Why take the chance with the normal flu?
Actually yes. It's hooked up to my CPAP.
so you put your mask over your cpap machine mask? You’re a warrior
Home schooling already exists though. Why on earth do we need to put more money(that we don't have) into a program that you showed doesn't work? That doesn't compute to me.
No worries on the bourbon late night post lol. A. Hope it was good bourbon I'm not happy with my latest purchase. B. I hope/pray your kiddo has answers soon!
So are you going on record saying that you don't care if people die because of your actions? You are not willing to wear a mask even if it only saves one life?
even with that it’s more severe and deadly for kids.
you’re letting emotion and not science influence you re: school and kids in relation to covid.0
Are you?
Let’s say you become infected with influenza or the common cold. It could happen today, tomorrow, or on any given day in the future. You’re contagious, but a day or two away from being symptomatic. Are you willing to wear a mask from now until you die on the off-chance you could save just one life from dying because you gave them the flu? If you’re not, then you’re just another virtue-signaling hypocrite.
It's not about the kids getting sick, it's about them bringing it home to the older folks, or those with compromised immune systems. I think this has been made pretty clear everywhere, so the fact that people here keep pounding on "but kids aren't at risk!!" just shows they are essentially playing fingers-in-the-ears ah-la-la-la-la.
My wife and I have no choice but to have kids go back to school. What are people that work supposed to do if they have to do another round of home schooling - quit their jobs and do it for free? But then again, all I see on this forum and in other social media commentary are "GET BACK TO SCHOOL!!!" "THERE'S NO RISK!"" "NAZI COMMIES COMING AFTER MY FREEDOMS BY GOD!!"". Instead, how about offering SOLUTIONS, and I don't mean the "herd immunity" - throw them out there and we'll see how we all fare - that's the lazy way out. I mean real solutions. This "my side vs. that side" sh*t is tiring. Politics - tiring. No one working together for a common national solution - TIRING. Reading this thread full of some of the most inconsiderate, ignorant, billy bad ass commentary - TIRING!
The issue I have is that the same morons barking all this "get 'em back to school" and "herd immunity!" are the same ones pushing back against something as damned simple as wearing a f*cking mask. Just get back at it - the lazy way - no extra effort desired or required (lazy). "I ain't gonna get it (because you know no one that has it and don't believe people here when they say they know 12+ people that have had it, died, may die, or have recovered). It's all gonna go away come November! Masks are takin' away my core freedoms!" Some of the most idiotic takes I've ever seen on any subject, ever, have been laid forth on the Paddock and social media over the last few months.
Anyone actually agree with these viral videos lately of stupid people getting into arguments with shop owners over wearing a mask? When I see them, I feel embarrassed that they're my fellow Americans. And now some of these idiots are filming themselves acting like complete, classless morons. Why? Hoping they'll get retweeted by the President and get their 15 seconds of fame? I simply can't understand how we got where we are today - a country of inconsiderate, empty-brained cow asses that for whatever reason can't think for themselves and rely on social media memes and other media talking heads to form their opinions for them. And this goes for BOTH sides. The people that want us to just go back to normal and are fighting tooth and nail against something as silly as a mask, and the people fighting like hell to shut down the world and sit on our asses in our homes until it all goes away. Neither are middle ground, but both are all we hear.
I don't have a solution for it all. But I do wear a mask, even if it protects by 50% and makes others feel comfortable (I just wore a mask for 24 hours on planes to/from Paris this past two weeks. And I do stay the hell away from people, as much as I can. And I do want kids back in school, simply because we can't afford to go to a one-income family (who can these days?) to accommodate kids home schooling. So how about the politicians dump the divisive rhetoric - starting with our own citizens - and sit down in a damned room and come to a BIPARTISAN agreement on how to solve this as a nation. Why is this so hard?? Why is this so TIRING?
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Tell that to the thousands of family members every year who lose loved ones to the flu.
You've been attempting to bait everyone into this flu/cold vs. COVID mask forever thing. Now it's time for you to cough up your point. What are you trying to fish people into saying?
What is YOUR viewpoint on this topic? Mask, no mask, herd, no herd, wait for a vaccine (or you don't want no stinkin' vaccine), kids back to school, no masks anywhere, or what? Let's hear you answer some questions instead of trying to bait people into whatever it is you're trying to bait them into.
Wrong. It's so hard because POLITICS. Politics are making the decision hard.
And you took my "why is this so hard" and reposted out of context. Not "why is this hard" to get rid of the virus. But why is this so hard for Americans to come to the middle and agree on a uniform, national approach to fighting the virus. You can thank the media bias and politicians - they LOVE a divisive country because for the media, it drives viewership, and for the politicians, it gives each "side" the appearance that they "care" about their people, and in turn increases their hopes for reelection. It's all horsesh*t.
I’m not trying to bait anyone. I just want the pro-maskers to pull that string a little further — to its (somewhat) logical conclusion...once you mandate masks for one virus (in this case COVID-19), where do you stop? If this is about “saving lives,” why stop with this particular coronavirus? Don’t the pro-maskers care about (ostensibly preventable) deaths from other, similar viruses? If not, why not?
Why do there have to be "pro-maskers" or "anti-maskers" to begin with? I mean seriously, how HARD is it to wear the mask.
There are studies out showing if we all wore masks and social distanced for 3-5 weeks, the virus could be nearly 90% eradicated. Why not try? What do we have to lose - no one is going to die from wearing a mask, and they can pretty much get back to a normal life, just with a mask. If we did it for 8 weeks and the virus was GONE, wouldn't that be worth it?
The virus continues to propagate because it has hosts to jump to. If we all blocked their path as much as possible, for as long as it takes, we cut off the virus's lifeline.
And as a possible silver lining, maybe we inadvertently get rid of the flu and cold while we're at it.
If it were that simple then why haven't we eradicated every other virus using that manner?
I'll answer for you. Unless everyone uses a 100% effective mask 100% of the time (and use them correctly), we can't mask a virus away.
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