If crushing our economy, putting millions out of work, sending people into depression, having required medical treatments cancelled....was the ultimate goal, then you are correct.
Would you obey a mask mandate?
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If crushing our economy, putting millions out of work, sending people into depression, having required medical treatments cancelled....was the ultimate goal, then you are correct.
Lol none of that shit matters. You're trying to contain a virus. All of that other shit is just something for dumbass political fiends to bitch about something because they're by far the most selfish inconsiderate mentally weak hoes we have in this country. The point of this was to contain the virus and we did that. I do not care about the politics within this. That's irrelevant. We can rebuild an economy. We can't magically make people crawl out of a grave.
Once we all stop giving a damn about politics and start taking care of each other this country will be much better off. For now we will have to deal with the left and the right making everything about politics from sports to a freaking virus. I am constantly getting narratives shoved into my face and its exhausting. No one can just think for themselves anymore.
Day 165 of the “15 day lockdown”
wear your face burkas, you bigots!
wear your face burkas, you bigots!
Thats usually how it goes when you can't think for yourself and are trained to have the same response to everything. Please tell me more about how the economy sucks. I'm sure the 100k+ dead individuals would love to hear some more about this as well. Lord knows we won't ever recover from a shitty economy
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. Oh wait.....we have....multiple times....I forgot.....my bad.
This is why nothing gets done anymore.
Where in the world did I say anything should be ignored? The funny thing is, for the most part, aside from wearing a mask, i already do everything that should be done to stop the spread. I don't generally hang around within 6ft of strangers. I wash my hands. I don't cough/sneeze on people. If i feel sick i don't go running around town. If my kids are sick, I don't send them to school. You know, most of the stuff normal people already do.
The problem is the people making the decisions seem to be ignoring all the data that is available.
Was talking to the people i work with yesterday (we've been working from home since mid-march) about us going back into the office on Monday (we work in downtown Cincinnati). He said he thought DeWine should've shut things down the night before (Wed). My boss and I asked why because we both have spouses (well his is an ex, but he still talks with her) that are in the medical profession and from what they have seen first hand, there is NOT a problem, certainly not one big enough to warrant another round of shutdowns.
I went on to point out the following statistics about Ohio to which his only response was "how accurate are the tests" because there isn't much else he could say. These numbers are straight from the Ohio Department of Health's website...
Total tests in Ohio...just over 1,000,000
Total positives...just over 70,000 with about 65,000 confirmed (whatever positive vs confirmed positive means)
Total deaths...around 2,600
The 7-day rolling average for positive tests...6.4%
So, straight from the numbers (in Ohio where the governor is threatening another shutdown if people don't shape up)...
Positive tests...6.5%
Positive tests that recovered/mild symptoms/didn't even know that had it...96%
Out of all those tested, those that (unfortunately) passed away...0.26%
Of those that passed away, the >=80yo age group is larger than all the others combined....when you make it >=70 it is over 3/4s of all deaths
Not mentioned is the fact of all the deaths contributed to covid that clearly had other causes.
I don't have any numbers on co-morbidities, but it has clearly been shown that people that have existing conditions are much more susceptible than those that don't. On a national scale over 40% of the deaths are from people in nursing homes, many of which were caused by the idiotic decisions of the governors of NY, NJ and PA. Idiotic is actually being too nice. So, over 40% of the deaths are from people that DON'T EVER LEAVE THEIR ROOM even when everything is perfectly normal.
Depending on which doctors/experts you site, asymptomatic positives are even less likely to pass the virus along. Even moving that to the side and putting all those numbers together, you can't say that we need the level of panic that is being induced by our governors and MSM. We've seen report after report of instances where this state had to take back some death totals, that state was counting deaths more than once, states with inflated positive test numbers, etc. We certainly don't need more shutdowns. We know who is mostly at risk...older people with existing health issues. IMO, we've already gone (way) passed the point where the attempted mitigation of the effects of the virus is worse than the actual virus.
Thats usually how it goes when you can't think for yourself and are trained to have the same response to everything. Please tell me more about how the economy sucks. I'm sure the 100k+ dead individuals would love to hear some more about this as well. Lord knows we won't ever recover from a shitty economy
Lord knows if we don't shutdown and mandate masks, we'll never make it through this pandemic. Oh wait, that's right...we have...multiple times...I forgot...my bad.
I don't know you personally and as far as I recall, I generally like your posts, but there are no words because what you said is complete garbage.
Why is the economy political? Ask the guy who's been out of work since mid-march but has 2 kids to feed and a house to pay for and bills to pay, but didn't get his unemployment check from the state until a couple weeks ago if he cares if someone is R or D or I or whatever. And, yes, it does happen. My wife's nephew has been out of work since the beginning (back in March) and just got his first unemployment check this month.
Ask the family members of the person that killed themselves because they fell into a state of depression because they were shut in. I know of at least 3 of those situations right in my area.
Ask the boy or girl who is one of the kids abused as a result of all this. How about the wives that are getting beat? Yes, the numbers for both of those have risen as a result of this shutdown stuff.
What about the people that have other medical conditions that have been scared into believing that if they went to the doctor for anything other than covid symptoms they were being reckless and potentially risking their lives and the lives of others? My wife (RN/BSN in an ER) and I know several other people in the medical profession (doctors, nurses, dentists, etc) that have stories of people that weren't coming in to get necessary treatments, etc because they were scared. That's the main reason why we are seeing the numbers from hospitals now. The people that have been scared to go are now going.
How about the parents that could, fortunately, still work, but couldn't take their kids to daycare because they were shut down? Or to school because they were doing NTI? How about the kids that aren't the best students? How about the kids that have home lives that don't exactly lend themselves to learning? I know teachers that have students that live for coming to school because their home life sucks? Are we just leaving them behind when we shut the schools down?
This isn't a simple case of let's shut stuff down for a while so we can get a hold on this virus and when we do everything will be just peachy. It clearly doesn't work that way.
You act like "recovering from a shitty economy" is just a matter of waiting it out and everyone will be okay. That's just, no offense, stupid. It's part of the problem with the way this whole thing has been handled. It's like treating a woman with breast cancer that's having a heart attack by saying we can't deal with that pesky heart condition until we get the breast cancer cleared and/or under control. It's okay, though. Everything will be just fine once we do take care of the breast cancer.
Maybe we should send the mercy ship to use in Florida like they did in New York?
I never said we wouldn't make it through the pandemic without the masks lol I also never said everything would be peachy.
I said wear the ****ing masks so we can continue to push forward so we can continue to open everything back up.
The economy will recover. It already is recovering.
Can't speak for the others, but you do know that the Houston ICU was operating at 95-97% capacity LAST year at this time, right? So, their ICU beds are pretty much running out at all times. Actually, most, if not all, ICUs operate pretty much the same way, at least in areas where there are a decent amount of people.
Something tells me you did know, but I won't belabor that point. But,if you willfully ignore pertinent information and just using regurgitate a MSM sound bite/headline to make your point, you are an...use your own words.
They're still there lol its the same people.
The ones who don't want to wear shoes and bathe or shower and wear deodorant are the same ones fighting masks. These are the people who have to oppose everything just for the sake of opposing it because they don't want to be told what to do. Its the same people throughout history.
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No one ever said the economy wouldn't come back, either. I was obviously trying to prove a point by using your own words/logic, but you either ignored that part of it or it went right over your head.
In your own words, you said, "Lol none of that shit matters." Well, it clearly does because I listed several ways to back up my point.
And, if none of that shit matters, one could reasonably assume you think it's okay (i.e. peachy). If that isn't what you meant then you are willing to ignore/let other stuff go to stop/control/contain the virus. Thus, my reason for listing all of the instances and make the point that ignoring the side effects of the current actions being taken to fight the virus have a greater impact than the impact of the virus itself.
So, if the economy is already recovering, the death rate has been dropping for weeks and the virus is almost, if not already, at a level that it will no longer be considered an epidemic in this country all without a mask mandate, why is it necessary now?
I do have one other mask question. If the masks are so effective, why are we letting prisoners out early to avoid the spread? Why not just make them wear masks?
One of the more ignorant things you’ve said and proves you just want to argue or you miss mine and others’ points completely.
Releasing prisoners was another bullshit political ploy just like pretending that an economy that will rebuild itself is more important than 100k+ lives
Your exact words were, "The masks should be apart of our everyday lives until there is a vaccine as a precaution," which obviously implies you believe we can quit wearing masks when/IF a vaccine is developed -- which is, of course, idiotic, since vaccines aren't a magic cloak of invincibility.
No lmao that doesn't imply that at all. That's not even really close to implying that. Also didn't say that a vaccine is a magic cloak of invisibility. We are just making things up as we go I see. A vaccine should lower the rate of infections and deaths close what the flu is. We don't wear a mask during flu season or least most people don't, I know people who do who aren't able to get the vaccine due to different allergies. If we get to that point then a mask mandate isn't needed. But that doesn't at all imply that I think people who could die even with the vaccine don't matter. Thats dumb as hell lol.
There you go completely ignoring everything that a devastated economy and shutdown impacts. You do realize there are other effects besides the stock market dropping?
And it's not just the economy. I'd say go back and read my list of side effects of this shutdown, which is nowhere near exhaustive, but you probably already have and you have chosen not to reply.
Yes lmao it actually does.
My point is why should we stop wearing masks simply because a vaccine is developed (assuming it ever is)? If masks work to "slow the spread" of COVID-19 then they'll work to slow the spread of any communicable respiratory viral infection...and don't those lives matter too? Just because we, as a nation, have never worn masks during flu/cold season doesn't mean we shouldn't start now, right?
I ask you, ryanbruner, if you could stop the spread of a virus to just one person by continually wearing a mask, wouldn't you do it? If not, you're just a virtual signalling hypocrite.
Oh, boy. You really got me there. Not sure how i'm going to ever recover from that devastating blow.
It's only in this country that those things didn't work. They were very effective in South Korea, Australia, even Italy but they also used them more extensively then we did - is there a connection there?
There you go again completely ignoring the fact that lives are being lost directly from the virus. I understand what the effects are but Jim bob beating his kids and wives because he can’t get the game show network or pay his phone bill isn’t the direct fault of someone telling you to wear a mask. The world has opened back up already lol. You have no excuses left.
You don’t say!It's only in this country that those things didn't work. They were very effective in South Korea, Australia, even Italy but they also used them more extensively then we did - is there a connection there?
It’s almost like.....if we try something......maybe it will help.......
No it doesn’t lol
The vaccine will be more effective than the masks....what don’t you understand about that. You aren’t even considering a mask mandate though so why should I assume you’ll get the vaccine haha. Yes if I could stop the spread of the virus to just one person by continually wearing the mask I would. My wife has an autoimmune disease so I’m going to be wearing the mask for a long time anyways. I’m just telling you correlating a mask mandate and an eventual vaccine that will slow the spread further to someone not caring about people because you want to try to make a point is extremely stupid and you’re reaching. If you have to reach there’s probably not even a reason to continue posting.
It's only in this country that those things didn't work. They were very effective in South Korea, Australia, even Italy but they also used them more extensively then we did - is there a connection there?
You really believe any differences that *may* exist between us and any country has to do with mask usage? There are literally thousands of variables.
To me it's contradictory to be concerned about keeping businesses and schools open and also be opposed to mandatory masks. Masks prevent the spread of the virus. By wearing masks we give businesses and other organizations a way to keep going.
I for one feel much more comfortable going into a Wal-Mart or a CVS now knowing that some irresponsible symptomatic person isn't walking around inside spreading the virus. Am I alone in that?
Masks and distancing are cheap, simple tools that will allow us to keep a substantial part of the economy running and avoid another shutdown. People should be grateful for that, instead of fighting against it IMO.
I for one feel much more comfortable going into a Wal-Mart or a CVS now knowing that some irresponsible symptomatic person isn't walking around inside spreading the virus. Am I alone in that?
Masks and distancing are cheap, simple tools that will allow us to keep a substantial part of the economy running and avoid another shutdown. People should be grateful for that, instead of fighting against it IMO.
Please show me just one example where I've stated a vaccine wouldn't be more effective than masks.
My only point regarding masks is why -- if it's so blindingly obvious we should be wearing them now -- we'd ever stop wearing them? No one disputes that other respiratory viruses (influenza and the common cold are the two most common examples) also kill thousands of people each and every year. Even if COVID-19 were completely eradicated tomorrow, people would still keep dying from colds and the flu. So if you're willing to wear a mask to keep from spreading COVID-19 and killing people, then why aren't you willing to always wear a mask to keep from potentially spreading the flu and killing innocent people?
Because people don’t want to wear masks forever. Covid isn’t going to disappear but we can eliminate the use of masks with a vaccine. It’s not about eliminating the virus or any sickness because it’s nearly impossible to do that. Returning to a normal lifestyle should be the goal.
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Of COURSE they don't want to wear them forever -- but that is a completely separate issue from whether we SHOULD wear them forever, especially if it will save lives.
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The economy doesn’t matter?
Mental health doesn’t matter?
No wonder you write LOL after every sentence. This is a joke.
You really wanna go on record saying mask use can be eliminated with a vaccine? Not if we want to slow the spread and save as many lives as possible. Besodes, what about preventing deaths from the flu and colds? You previously said, "Yes if I could stop the spread of the virus to just one person by continually wearing the mask I would." Apparently this only applies to COVID-19 -- which would mean you don't care if you kill someone by spreading the flu. Why are you gonna quit wearing a mask once/if a coronavirus vaccine is developed, when known viral killers are still prevalent in society? Seems pretty selfish and arbitrary to exalt one deadly virus over another, but you do you.
Perhaps we should start calling you InfluenzaRyan
When that shit is used as a pivot for a political stance by the same people who shit on mental health issues and only care about the economy and whether or not people have enough money to live on without government aid. No.
It’s wild you go this deep into a conversation about something you clearly don’t care about just to dispute another topic. Normally you wouldn’t give a shit about the common cold or the flu but since you’re trying to make a point you’ll go on and on with this dumbass rhetoric. As stands the coronavirus has killed more people in a span of 5 months than the flu did last year. We have safeguards and measures for the flu and cold already. We don’t need masks for that. You’re being facetious.
Besodes, what about preventing deaths from the flu and colds? You previously said, "Yes if I could stop the spread of the virus to just one person by continually wearing the mask I would." Apparently this only applies to COVID-19 -- which would mean you don't care if you kill someone by spreading the flu. Why are you gonna quit wearing a mask once/if a coronavirus vaccine is developed, when known viral killers are still prevalent in society? Seems pretty selfish and arbitrary to exalt one deadly virus over another, but you do you.
Perhaps we should start calling you InfluenzaRyan
Spoken like every tyrant in modern history. At least asshole tyrants in the Middle Age didn't try to gaslight people; they just talked about divine rights instead of "the greater good".
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