It’s not hard. Now tell me when we can stop. Remember: The reason we wear masks is to save lives, even if it’s just one life — so when, exactly, do you want to stop saving lives?
Would you obey a mask mandate?
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Wearing a mask every time one is out (and wearing it correctly) isn't hard. That's my point. Politicians and a handful of clowns in America who have somehow spun this into a violation of personal freedoms are making it appear hard.
Every other virus that has had this level of contagion was met the same way - Americans couldn't be strong and act as one unified country (Spanish flu). Until we drop politics and just wear the masks, we'll never know what we could have done.
Why stop? Once you get used to them, it's like wearing a seat belt - you feel weird without it on. Let's go until we start seeing results. If we know everyone is doing their part, and weeks into the "mask unity" of America, the cases and deaths and hospitalizations drop, all while schools have reopened and business are back, then we decide how much longer to go. I'd say until it's gone, no matter how long that takes (and again, maybe as a biproduct, we can the flu and cold).
I wear them to stop the spread, avoid being sick, avoid getting my family sick, avoid possible hospitalization, out of respect for others, and of course, to avoid dying or having people I know or don't know die. Many more reasons than just "saving lives". I want life back to some semblance of normal. It's that simple.
Ok, when do you want to quit stopping the spread? When do you want to stop avoiding being sick? When do you want to stop avoiding getting your family sick? You realize there are other viruses that can cause all these things, and more, right? Once you take your mask off you’re gonna start doing all these bad things again.
I'm saying that if all it took to eradicate viruses was for all of us to wear our masks, we would have gotten rid of all colds/flus/other respiratory viruses a long time ago. Masks don't 100% work, all they do is slow the spread.
I don't understand why this is so hard. Protect the populations we know that need to be protected. Let others live their lives in whatever responsible way they want to. Businesses get to do the same. If someone wants to stay in their house until a vaccine is created, they can do so. If a small private business wants to open with some restrictions, let them do so. Freedom of choice is one of the key differentiators that makes America great.
People don't want their loved ones to die. Let them decide how to protect themselves and their families/friends. We know that this virus is FAR more prevalent than originally thought and a massive amount of people have no idea they even have/had it. The actual percentage of people this kills is lower than reported. We know who it is incredibly serious for. Protect those and let others decide how they want to proceed.
I’m more on your side then the “other”, and I’m as sick of this thing as anyone. However, you are using the “slippery slope” argument to posters that seem reasonable. Most, if not all, just want masks for coronavirus so that they can achieve the same goal as you - reopen and get back to normal as quickly as possible, not to save every life on earth. What you’re currently doing with your last 20 posts is similar to the people that argued against gay marriage: “Well if you want people to get married based on love, where do you stop, why not have a man marry a Horse or telephone pole? Where do you stop?”
Just because they are ok with wearing masks currently doesn’t mean they want masks for the rest of our lives. You’re making up an extreme position and arguing against it. At first I actually thought you made a good point, but by the 20th time I think it’s become apparent you feel you have come up with a genius, irrefutable argument. It would be like assuming you think we should never wear masks ever because masks can’t save every life and arguing against it.
I’ve not meant to come across this way, and I certainly don’t think I’ve developed some genius, irrefutable argument. Far from it. Many, many others have pointed out the same type of thing.
Obviously what I’ve been saying is kind of a slippery-slope argument — and I’ve been hammering on it because no one I’ve replied to, until the Dude, has ever admitted they’d be willing to wear a mask indefinitely, perhaps forever. I just truly don’t understand how someone can be willing to wear a mask for one virus that kills people, but not another, and I’m morbidly fascinated by that type of mindset.
I’m a libertarian at heart. I realize we must have rules in order to function as a civil society, but I simply draw my line at a different point. Perhaps masks work, perhaps they don’t — but I disagree with governments, whether local, state, or federal, mandating masks. If people want to wear one, fine. If they don’t, that’s fine too. If businesses want to restrict customers to wearing masks that’s cool as well. I’ll take my business elsewhere.
Look, Ryan Bruner is clearly younger and in his 20s, what with all the lols and lmaos, and feels that coronavirus is a current threat and that wearing masks will help mitigate it. He thinks this because CBS news, NBC news, all news basically says it. Also elected officials like Dewine, a republican governor, says it. There is no reason for him not believe it, in the same way that when I was younger I trusted dan rather and Tom brokaw and other generations trusted Walter Cronkite, etc. I’m addition older people constantly push for the younger generation to “read the news and stay informed”. It is perfectly reasonably for him to advocate the current use of wearing masks before being called influenzaryan or having some dude throw suicide statistics at him for whatever reason. He’s young, so he didn’t articulate his points that well, but it’s clear that’s his position. Which is fine, and not really stupid.
I’m a small business owner and advocate wearing masks because I don’t want my business ruined and am afraid if people don’t then the government will use it as a reason to shut things down again, and I’m skeptical of the effectiveness of masks, however I can see that they will stop spread somewhat.
My brother is an ICU physician and they have tripled the ICU admitted in the last week with coronavirus patients and he wants people to wear masks because he just doesn’t want to get the damn virus and possibly be sick for a couple weeks and he’s sick of this shit.
these are fine and reasonable positions. Lots of people don’t think they’re effective at all but still wear them out of respect for businesses, perfectly fine and reasonable.
then there are the 10% weirdos like ManitoDan that literally lies and then argues with an employee to not wear a mask, and TheDude73 who wants to wear a mask forever to eliminate all loss of life and thinks masks are the answer. Trying to figure all those people out will lead to insanity and is pointless. Actually you, by saying you’ll take your business elsewhere if a business asks you to wear a mask (because they are just trying to appease the population and trying not to get social media shamed and their life ruined) kinda sound like an asshole yourself so maybe I’m doing what I’m arguing against.
I’m a small business owner and advocate wearing masks because I don’t want my business ruined and am afraid if people don’t then the government will use it as a reason to shut things down again, and I’m skeptical of the effectiveness of masks, however I can see that they will stop spread somewhat.
My brother is an ICU physician and they have tripled the ICU admitted in the last week with coronavirus patients and he wants people to wear masks because he just doesn’t want to get the damn virus and possibly be sick for a couple weeks and he’s sick of this shit.
these are fine and reasonable positions. Lots of people don’t think they’re effective at all but still wear them out of respect for businesses, perfectly fine and reasonable.
then there are the 10% weirdos like ManitoDan that literally lies and then argues with an employee to not wear a mask, and TheDude73 who wants to wear a mask forever to eliminate all loss of life and thinks masks are the answer. Trying to figure all those people out will lead to insanity and is pointless. Actually you, by saying you’ll take your business elsewhere if a business asks you to wear a mask (because they are just trying to appease the population and trying not to get social media shamed and their life ruined) kinda sound like an asshole yourself so maybe I’m doing what I’m arguing against.
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Ok, cool. They were at their peak like 2 months ago at 8, so in his words they never really had a first surge or wave even though they were prepared for it. Last week they admitted 31, and the capacity of that floor is 29, so they had to open up another ward. He’s still not too worried about it but is thinking this is basically their “surge” but is hopeful it’s weaker like some studies are suggesting. Still too soon to tell.
I live near SF and we’ve been wearing masks since March. And most people have been complying. The cases are still rising here. Don’t fool yourselves into believing the masks are the end all be all. They aren’t.
What you are doing is creating a straw man. The poster you are debating with says "Hey let's wear a mask until we get this under control" Then you say that what he said is "We should weare a mask forever and ever and never take them off" then you say that that is a ridiculous thing to agree to. Instead of debating the poster you are debating the straw man you created with a ridiculous position and using the straw man being wrong to show that the poster is wrong too. That's not a logical debate. Debates are only interesting and fun when both sides are debating fairly and logically. Be a good debator is what Ron Mehico is saying.
Choosing to purchase goods from Business A rather than Business B, simply because I prefer Business A’s policies, makes me an asshole? NEWSFLASH: I’m an asshole for a whole lot of reasons, but exercising freedom of choice in my purchases isn’t one of them.
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I’ve never stated mask advocates support wearing masks forever — I’m asking why they aren’t supporting that. Why do they pick one deadly virus to wear a mask for, yet not another?
I just read the headlines on Apple News feed and didn't click them.
Besides, if I did, and shared, there'd be a host of people harping on what website it was from. I've been down that road too many times on the Paddock, even linking statistics tracking sites and scientific studies nowhere near being affiliated with partisanship, yet someone finds a way to slap a conspiracy theory on it because it doesn't jive with their brainwashed thinking.
If I can track it down sometime, I'll be sure to link it here.
Update: Here's one link, but it's not the study I read, just the CDC's opinion that if we wore them, in some period of weeks, we'd have it under control. Granted, he may have gotten his opinion from the actual study (most likely), or he just pulled it out of his ass (not likely). Once I find the white paper study, I'll of course post it here.
Given there are a host of people that somehow believe the CDC is suddenly political, out to get Trump and company, and has been lying to the US for months, I don't expect many to give a crap what the person in this link believes, even though this is his job - to focus on how to better track and get control of pandemics and infectious diseases.
https://fox6now.com/2020/07/15/wide...r-control-within-4-8-weeks-cdc-director-says/
You got me wrong. I never said forever specifically - I said whenever this thing is under control (even if it takes a while longer than a few months, I'm game).
What you read was Mav asking me the question specifically trying to get me to commit to "forever", and then you ran with it. Had you read all of everything I said, you'd have seen my most recent "whenever the data says it's good to stop wearing them" (or something along those lines).
If I'm a "weirdo" because I am wearing one without much of a fuss, for the reasons I stated earlier, then I'm fine with that label.
Someone physically tracking every human in SF population? Just because you see people "mostly" wearing them isn't a quantitative measuring tool. I'd wager there are a good percentage that aren't, just like the rest of America, and this is why it keeps going. But without statistics developed from some kind of mask-wearing tracking tool (which doesn't exist), any one saying what you're saying is doing nothing more than speculating based on your personal experience in the streets of SF.
Of course, the protests didn't/aren't helping (the virus spread). Just bad timing for a mass protest in America, to be honest. Tons of people out of work, holed up in their homes, looking for some reason to get out and be a part of something, in the middle of a damned pandemic. I'd speculate that the protests would have died off weeks ago had everyone been working instead of home on their asses collecting unemployment and avoiding the virus. Most of those white millenials I saw on TV in the protests always had their phones in selfie mode, most likely (my opinion, no proof) because they're obsessed with the "likes" from social media and wanted to be seen as "someone who cares", when in fact all they were were unemployed people with nothing better to do.
Bingo! I admit I find it disconcerting that a lot of folks actually believe masks work as advertised; IMHO, they do not.
I'm in the same camp as Mav: let those who are worried, at risk, etc, stay home, mask, whatever, but allow the rest of us to do what we wish and allow the country to open up fully.
Solutions ? I could live with mandatory mask in truly hot spot areas and cities .. but my mt immediate 5 county areas Lewis , Greenup , and Boyd Co and Scioto / Lawrence counties in Ohio .. 225K people ... 3 deaths . 3 out of 225K people ! And the idiots in Portsmouth just made their city a " level 3 emergency" of which no one gives a flying wet shit about . Means mask everywhere in side . But they left bars/ restaurants open .. just stupid .
Its not that hard . I just hate most forms/solutions of the govt .. they think they know better not only for me personally , but my business as well. I'm a freedom lover . I dont like seatbelt laws . I dont like laws where there doesnt need to be any . Let the people decide . I know it isn't always black n white . But I'm not for 1 person deciding for an entire state whats good for it . That is black and white .
It’s my god given red blooded American right to do whatever the hell I want and that includes getting everyone under the sun sick because I’m a gotdamn American buddy. I’ll get you sick if I want to. Ain’t no damn mask gunna keep me from that. They wanna make us wear masks next they’ll wanna take my vote away from me and sell my damn soul to the Gypsies.
Nah, you can either choose to stay home, mask up, whatever YOU need/feel protects YOU best.
I like most of your posts throughout the years, so it wasn’t really a “youre a bad person asshole” but more of a “I can’t win with you assholes” since I’m a business owner. The people who are freaked out about the virus are way more dangerous from a business owner perspective because they post shit on social media, make everyone uncomfortable, give you the threat of shutting down your business, etc. I wish they would just stay inside but that’s not reality, so the vast majority of businesses require masks to not deal with potential blowback. Then you have people like you that will purposefully not go to the business because we’re requiring masks. It’s just a very stressful and annoying time. It’s all good though, thankfully most people are reasonable and understanding and not those two extremes. I think we’re all just excited to get back to normal, hopefully sooner rather than later.
I’m obviously not tracking all humans in SF, but I’ll say you can’t go inside anywhere without a mask, and haven’t been able to since March. Restaurants and bars are not open, and only available for take out or dining outside. Stores are limiting guests and are stringent about cleaning and distancing. Kids aren’t playing sports, and only participating in camps with 12 or less, and complying with social distancing rules.
I don’t know how much more stringent they can get here. We’ve been locked down the longest and still have the most stringent rules in place. And cases are still rising.
I started a new job this week and only 5 of the 25 people have ever met each other in person. Everything has been done virtually. Offices across the Bay Area are closed. People are trying to avoid being inside as much as possible.
I don’t know how much more stringent they can get here. We’ve been locked down the longest and still have the most stringent rules in place. And cases are still rising.
I started a new job this week and only 5 of the 25 people have ever met each other in person. Everything has been done virtually. Offices across the Bay Area are closed. People are trying to avoid being inside as much as possible.
No. He's 100% right and the guy won't answer his question. It's virtue signaling. The "only one life" crew will never be satisfied because people die of things.
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How can a leader expect others to follow an order if he won't even set the example himself???
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Have you guys seen this picture of Andy?
How can a leader expect others to follow an order if he won't even set the example himself???
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